So RTK is great for Kanji practice. Does anything similar exist for sentences?

If not who wants one because I’m totally going to make it happen.

I am so confused as to what you want to to!
RtK is great because it teaches you to break up the kanji into the individual pieces that make them up and remember them, so you have a 'system' for remembering kanji.

Doing this for sentences would be...breaking it up into vocab?

Asriel Wrote:I am so confused as to what you want to to!
RtK is great because it teaches you to break up the kanji into the individual pieces that make them up and remember them, so you have a 'system' for remembering kanji.

Doing this for sentences would be...breaking it up into vocab?

Part of me thinks he's talking about the site? In that case...google Anki.

Ah I could have been clearer. By RTK I am referring to this site.

Anki is very good and yet people still use this website instead for kanji learning. I think an equivalent for sentences would be welcomed.

Asriel Wrote:Doing this for sentences would be...breaking it up into vocab?

Amongst other things, the main task is just understanding the sentence.

See http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=1862
and http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blo...tences-why

saruman Wrote:

Asriel Wrote:Doing this for sentences would be...breaking it up into vocab?

Amongst other things, the main task is just understanding the sentence.

See http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=1862
and http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blo...tences-why

Erm, Asriel is way ahead of a lot of people on this site...like JLPT1+ or something like that.

He was just confused as to what you meant.

Saruman, a lot of people use this site because it's easier to use than Anki, but it has a different algorithm, and some people prefer it. A lot of people use this site just for the stories since some of them are amazingly useful.

So. No, there's not anything out there like this for sentences...Anki is fine and totally usable.

Sorry if I came across as rude, that was certainly not the intention.

nohika Wrote:Saruman, a lot of people use this site because it's easier to use than Anki, but it has a different algorithm, and some people prefer it. A lot of people use this site just for the stories since some of them are amazingly useful.

I think for these would stand as good reasons for a sentence equivalent.

saruman Wrote:Sorry if I came across as rude, that was certainly not the intention.

nohika Wrote:Saruman, a lot of people use this site because it's easier to use than Anki, but it has a different algorithm, and some people prefer it. A lot of people use this site just for the stories since some of them are amazingly useful.

I think for these would stand as good reasons for a sentence equivalent.

I think the hardest thing is that it would end up being more work. Unlike RTK, you'd have to manually input /every/ sentence. I'm assuming (I'm not a coder) it would be far more complex to handle all the different types of features people would like to see and I think it would end up being more of a mess than it intended to be.

And no, you didn't sound rude, I'm just exhausted from dealing with crayzees at work.

nohika Wrote:Erm, Asriel is way ahead of a lot of people on this site...like JLPT1+ or something like that.

Heh...I managed to somehow slip by with a 62% when passing was 55%. And I've barely studied in these past 6 months...I don't think I'm too much ahead of too many people.

Yeah, I was mainly confused about what "RTK for sentences" would be. The entire method for RtK is nice because everything is laid out for you. Adding on this site's system, it's even easier because you don't have any Anki configuration troubles, etc... It's more or less a prepackaged system.

Now, if you wanted to make an easy-to-use online SRS system for sentences, be my guest. But where do the sentences come from? And if you decide to make it user-submitted, then the complexity is going to increase. iKnow/smart.fm had a pretty good system, but then they decided to go behind a pay wall. Something that good could be useful -- but of course, they had the Core series, which was a huge amount of sentences that came included.

I think it could be done, but I'm not sure it's necessary. Anki is pretty widespread, although it could be toned town to suit newcomers.

I’ve found Anki great for vocal and Heisig so far because you can simply download the decks and go.

Although I’m coming to the point where he doesn’t provide stories so a site like reviewing the Kanji is great.

Although some sentence decks exist for Anki, ideally you should be compiling them yourself. However this requires finding sentences, importing and editing them. I think this is time that could be saved for actually learning.

So in the same way that Reviewing the Kanji is great because it contains a library of user submitted stories, I think a similar system with user submitted sentences would help. You browse the library for sentences and if you like it you add it to your practice set. A voting system and a tagging system would be included.

saruman Wrote:I’ve found Anki great for vocal and Heisig so far because you can simply download the decks and go.

Although I’m coming to the point where he doesn’t provide stories so a site like reviewing the Kanji is great.

Although some sentence decks exist for Anki, ideally you should be compiling them yourself. However this requires finding sentences, importing and editing them. I think this is time that could be saved for actually learning.

So in the same way that Reviewing the Kanji is great because it contains a library of user submitted stories, I think a similar system with user submitted sentences would help. You browse the library for sentences and if you like it you add it to your practice set. A voting system and a tagging system would be included.

A lot of people download the core 6k decks and use those sentences. Or KO2001. There's hundreds/thousands of sentences on Anki...you just have to figure out where to look. I believe there's a tatoeba plugin that grabs example sentences for vocab? If you can figure out how to find some books in .txt form, you can use Yomichan to pull the sentences into cards. There's multiple ways to make your own deck, most of which are fast and easy.

That's something we've discussed for a while, having a place to share sentences/contexts or whathaveyou. Bombpersons, I think, started to make such a site; overture's motivation with their morphology plugin, MorphMan, was similar to this (having databases of morphemes users have extracted from various sources).

Personally, these days I'm mostly interested in setting up core principles/multiple popular and useful frameworks for organizing and presenting information for new/intermediate/advanced learners, and making tools as easy to use as possible so users can generate their own stuff from native media. A pool of the content itself would be incidental to this.

@saruman -- It kind of sounds like you want to make iKnow, with "upvotes." I kind of like it.

@nest0r -- I think that sounds awesome. If you could put it all together and have it be simple and intuitive, that'd be wonderful. But even things like Anki and subs2srs can be tricky to pick up for a beginner. I've noticed that you seem interested in the theory behind it, the best way to do things, and...to be honest, some of your posts are tl;dr. I'll bet you've got the knowledge behind it, but could you make it useful/easy for a beginner to digest?

I don't know, I just assumed everyone was reading and memorizing every comment people posted on the forum, and all our theories and knowledge would ultimately be distilled into the wiki in a perfectly accessible and cohesive form. ;p

I think I’d definitely be interested in making something like that in my spare time. I really don’t think it will be difficult to get the ui nice and simple.

Needless to say such a website will be easy to adapt to serve other languages too.

Learning Japanese has a steep enough learning curve, which isn’t helped by the difficulty of learning to use these tools and then compiling decks. These issues are surely preventing lesser willed people from using these great techniques. I found this http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=7832 post particularly interesting, although unsurprising.

This might be not exactly what you want but : http://rawjapanesesentences.yolasite.com/
sentence break down blog, might be worth a look

It’s not it looks very useful. Thanks.

I've been thinking about making a site to study sentences for a while now. It would require options to adjust how and what to learn in each sentence, and of course a user voting system. If this can be achieved to be as adjustable as users want, would anyone be interested?