I have a Jap-Kor grammar reference book with 1600 example sentences and I went to deck it. I've decked a smaller Jap-Eng phrase book of 500 sentences before and it was hard work. Not something I want to go through again so easily, yet I want the end result. How can I speed this process up?

My thoughts are find willing people and split the task up. Problem is where do I find those people (volunteers raise ur hands right about now).

Or use technology to my aid. OCR comes to mind but is it right for this sort of job? If I scan each page into PDF format where I can copy and paste the examples that would reduce the workload by a lot but it also takes time to do the scanning. Which leads me to the next point... can I just use one of those services where you send in a paperback book, they scan it (destroying it in the process) and turn it into a PDF for you. This would drastically reduce the work load... and i'd have no problem doing it myself if I already had it in this format.

My problem is... I have no idea if it's viable cos I don't know much about those things or how reliable it is. Will it come back error free? Errors count for a lot. I couldn't be sure it'd be error free if I did it by hand either though. Hmm...

Thoughts, suggestions?

I really need this book in deck format. Anyone who knows Jap and wants to learn Korean (including Japanese people themselves!) could benefit lots from this.

Pretty sure finding other people, and doing a cooperative spreadsheet on google docs is the way to go. That's what people did with the Kanzen Master books, so why wouldn't it work here?

I don't have much experience with OCR, but from what I've seen, it's not something you want to rely on too heavily. Maybe there's been some advances that I don't know about, but I still think getting people to help out is the most reliable.

Why not just go through it in the book by reading the sentences while covering the translations? Then when you've gone through the whole book once, do it again. Rinse and repeat until you feel comfortable with the content. I don't see why this has to be made into a deck as such. You can just schedule your own review of the material. And provided you don't throw away the book the material is always there for later review.

nadiatims Wrote:Why not just go through it in the book by reading the sentences while covering the translations? Then when you've gone through the whole book once, do it again. Rinse and repeat until you feel comfortable with the content. I don't see why this has to be made into a deck as such. You can just schedule your own review of the material. And provided you don't throw away the book the material is always there for later review.

way easier to digest the material as a deck. Worked brilliantly for Japanese. I think a book like this in deck format is the ultimate version of the information.

But there's nothing the SRS is really doing that you can't achieve on your own with a little thought. Just go through an amount of material per unit of time at a speed you feel you can handle. Read the Korean, while covering the Japanese with a piece of paper or something, then check your comprehension. Then clearly date each section you have studied (i.e write the date in pencil at the start point). Then keep proceeding through the book, and go back to previous section at intervals of your liking. You could even start adding tags to sentences to indicate your level of comprehension or as prompts to make original sentences etc. This is similar to what I'm doing now with Chinese vocabulary.

Its a whole lot of work you can let the computer do.

I came across Bookscan. A Japanese company that will scan ur books n pdf them to fully searchable. Hmm, maybe I should do it.

How is writing the date a lot of work? It's a lot less work than inputing an entire book into anki.

But I'll stop derailing your thread now.

e.Typist is a good OCR program that does Japanese well. Not sure how well how it will handle a page of JP and KOR at the same time, though. Once I got used to e.Typist, I fell in love with it for OCR-ing a couple of pages at a time. I tore through Kanzen Master 3 in about a week. (Just mining the questions.)

http://mediadrive.jp/products/et/index.html

There's a 30-day trial version you can download. Need to JP-ify your Windows. Runs about 15,000 yen, IIRC.

EDIT: Make sure you get the version that's not just JP-EN, but the version that does 150 or so languages. When you scan, set it to multilingual, and it should be able to pick out the Korean and JP and OCR them properly... although I have no idea how well it will actually work. Bang on the demo and let me know how well it works. I'm curious.

I've been looking for a book just like the one you're talking about!
I speak pretty fluent korean, but am just starting japanese.
can you give me the name of this book??
-thanks!

Hey, yeah I should have mentioned the name of the book!

韓国語中級への扉 韓国語を自由自在に組み立てる本

It's meant for going for learning Korean through the Japanese language but like anything seeing as they are just example sentences, they could be flipped and used the other way for the same effect. I wouldn't imagine it's right for someone who is just starting the language but someone who has studied all the basics and into intermediate territory. Still, an excellent reference material.

btw I was actually thinking of buying a scanner specifically for PDF'ing things... one which comes with the OCR software that will do Japanese and Korean. Saw a blog where someone used one to OCR 韓国語ジャーナル into a text-searchable PDF. So... figure that might be the go.

mezbup Wrote:btw I was actually thinking of buying a scanner specifically for PDF'ing things... one which comes with the OCR software that will do Japanese and Korean. Saw a blog where someone used one to OCR 韓国語ジャーナル into a text-searchable PDF. So... figure that might be the go.

NoSleepTillFluent recently created a topic about a scanner mouse. Seems to be perfect for the job. http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=8291