bodhisamaya Wrote:You reject the idea obesity is bad for you?

?? are you purposely being obtuse??

no, of course i don't reject the idea that obesity is bad for you. Then again, that's because i believe the numourous studies that have shown this correlation.

Apparently, you don't though.

IceCream Wrote:

bodhisamaya Wrote:You reject the idea obesity is bad for you?

?? are you purposely being obtuse??

no, of course i don't reject the idea that obesity is bad for you. Then again, that's because i believe the numourous studies that have shown this correlation.

Apparently, you don't though.

Next he'll probably start saying Smoking is bad for you. :o

KMDES Wrote:

IceCream Wrote:

bodhisamaya Wrote:You reject the idea obesity is bad for you?

?? are you purposely being obtuse??

no, of course i don't reject the idea that obesity is bad for you. Then again, that's because i believe the numourous studies that have shown this correlation.

Apparently, you don't though.

Next he'll probably start saying Smoking is bad for you. :o

nonono, that's OBVIOUSLY a ploy by the evil medical industry to get people to buy their nicorette patches and gum.

For situations that get too far gone, it does call for last-resort type solutions like pills, despite the fact some may be only slightly better than placebo with a long list of side effects and financial hardships. The pharmaceutical industry remains one of the largest (2nd I believe) in the world because people ignore their health, and to a large extent believe too much that they can do what ever they want and a magic pill will one day cure them.

IceCream Wrote:no, of course i don't reject the idea that obesity is bad for you. Then again, that's because i believe the numourous studies that have shown this correlation.

Do you really need a medical study to tell you obesity is bad for you? Even if there were no health risks, it is a miserable life. I was in my early 20s until I changed my diet.

And how is that any different a way of thinking that people had before pharmaceutics were invented?

The industry is 2nd because people don't like dying and will do whatever it takes to not die. And history has proven, without pharmaceutics, a lot of us would die, and very young at that. d:

bodhisamaya Wrote:Do you really need a medical study to tell you obesity is bad for you? Even if there were no health risks, it is a miserable life. I was in my early 20s until I changed my diet.

Before medical studies, people did think it was good to be obese. In fact, some people wed on the fact the man was obese because he obviously had enough money to feed himself and the family they would have.

I really do wish they would stick to areas where they have had a positive effect like with curing infectious diseases and I would have a much different impression of them. They have more political lobbyists in Washington bribing officials with "contributions" than any other industry and routinely fight legislation that would improve health, yet drastically cut into profits.

indeed, there are some african cultures today in which obesity is considered to be highly attractive.

besides which, it's hardly like becoming vegan is the only way to solve the problem of obesity. there are also plenty of non-obese meat eaters. It's more attributable to junk food in general than meat eating in most cases...

bodhisamaya Wrote:I really do wish they would stick to areas where they have had a positive effect like with curing infectious diseases and I would have a much different impression of them. They have more political lobbyists in Washington bribing officials with "contributions" than any other industry and routinely fight legislation that would improve health, yet drastically cut into profits.

That's a problem with money, greed and lack of a conscious, not a problem with pharmaceutics. A pharmaceutic company is not a living creature, it can't be good evil or anything, it can only be the people behind it.

So what you really have a problem with is people.

IceCream Wrote:indeed, there are some african cultures today in which obesity is considered to be highly attractive.

besides which, it's hardly like becoming vegan is the only way to solve the problem of obesity. there are also plenty of non-obese meat eaters. It's more attributable to junk food in general than meat eating in most cases...

When I was body-building, I was pumping 5000-8000 calories a day into my body, and still not maintaining my weight. :o Yeah, I was eating meat often. And milk. And lots and lots of tuna.

They are attracted to the money, not the lard on the guys ass.

KMDES Wrote:The industry is 2nd because people don't like dying and will do whatever it takes to not die.

Are they any different than televangelists praying on desperate people? This fear of death is another issue as well.

bodhisamaya Wrote:They are attracted to the money, not the lard on the guys ass.

KMDES Wrote:The industry is 2nd because people don't like dying and will do whatever it takes to not die.

Are they any different than televangelists praying on desperate people? This fear of death is another issue as well.

Getting rid of pharmaceutic companies is a bandaid solution at best. In order to solve the problem, you have to change people as a whole.

KMDES Wrote:So what you really have a problem with is people.

Pharmaceutical industry is infected with the same lack of integrity as other monster industries not due to the researchers, but due to executives trying to get mega-rich.

bodhisamaya Wrote:

KMDES Wrote:So what you really have a problem with is people.

Pharmaceutical industry is infected with the same lack of integrity as other monster industries not due to the researchers, but due to executives trying to get mega-rich.

And you think monster industries are the only ones infected? Even your small business owners to pretty much the mom and pop stores have people with an extreme lack of integrity.

I know, I've worked for them.

TV is overwhelmed with advertisements from pharmaceutical companies that hypnotize people into thinking they have no power over things they often actually do. It has become a part of people's stream of belief that there is always something wrong with them that can be cured by a pill.

bodhisamaya Wrote:

KMDES Wrote:So what you really have a problem with is people.

Pharmaceutical industry is infected with the same lack of integrity as other monster industries not due to the researchers, but due to executives trying to get mega-rich.

actually, it's mainly universities who publish these kinds of studies anyway, and not the pharmaceutical industry to begin with. So this is a totally moot point on this issue anyway. Pharmaceutical companies publish results of studies on pharmaceuticals, not on widespread epidemiological issues.

but if you wanted to say they were ghost written, why would they say that things like smoking and obesity are bad for you, when they have billions of pounds rolling in every year from smoking and obesity related diseases? That's not profitable for them!

Of course, you should look at things published critically. That doesn't mean you shouldn't look at them at all...

And again, America & the rest of the world's attitudes towards medical spending are very different...

Take care. I am off to teach a Business English lesson :'(

you too

hope it goes well!!

What, the argument is over?

QQ

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