I'd like to hire someone who has some time and is anki savy to make a deck for me.

This deck would be for my own personal use, and I'd ask you to agree not to share it, as I don't want that kind of resposibility.

All the audio and text is freely available there.

*I'll send links to the appropriate pages to persons interested.

I had previously made a 1/2 a deck for German and found it worked pretty well, so I'd liked to do the same for spanish. I just don't have the time to make the deck myself.

You'd need to use a tool like downloadthemall to get all audio files (regular speaking speed files, not slow speed), and then likely get text manually.

I'd like the anki deck to be set up to text as such:

Card one:
Questionispaly English
Answer: Display Spanish/Play Audio

Card two:
Question: Display Spanish/Play Audio
Answer: Display English

If you're more anki savy than me I am sure there is a way you could probably set it all up in a spreadsheet then import to anki.

If you'd like to do that, let me know how much and how soon you could do it. I'll make payment by paypal, or check if that is ok.


Thanks


*Fabrice, if you think this post is not approriate here feel free to let me know and/or delete.

i'll do it!!! if you post the links, i'll get started right away!

EDIT: oh wait, email me them... i'll add email to my profile, 1 min.

Someone could really make a business of making decks in my opinion. I wouldn't mind paying someone to make decks on specific books or whatever that I chose.

actually, i was thinking of making decks and selling them before. If anyone else has any requests, just let me know...

At the moment, I don't have a request but if I do in the future, I'll e-mail you for sure I wish the book publishers made decks that they could sell on their websites in addition to their books. I'd have no problem paying for them.

The only thing that would stop you is copyright infringement. A lot of books allow you to copy parts of them under the conditions that they're for free or education. Unless you get everything from free sources.

raz789 Wrote:The only thing that would stop you is copyright infringement. A lot of books allow you to copy parts of them under the conditions that they're for free or education. Unless you get everything from free sources.

Yes technically you'll be infringing, but As long as you don't share the decks (as OP stipulated) how would the publisher ever find out?

aphasiac Wrote:Yes technically you'll be infringing, but As long as you don't share the decks (as OP stipulated) how would the publisher ever find out?

That's a good point, but you never know.

This conversation is how bwahahahaha. But yeah I don't think you'd get in trouble if you gave the money you made to charity. Those invisible children never get enough money.

actually, i emailed NHK a few weeks ago to try to find out whether i'd be able to use their programs to make anki decks & sell them. This was their response...

いつもNHKの番組をご覧いただき、誠にありがとうございます。

ＮＨＫの番組映像等の利用についてメールいたします。

著作物の利用については、利用される国の著作権法に基づいて行われることになります。イギリス国内でご利用になるのであれば、イギリスの著作権法をご確認下さい。

日本でご利用になる場合は次のようになります。
番組の映像やネット上で公開されている画面には、ＮＨＫをはじめ出演者など多くの方の著作権が含まれており、個人で自由に利用できるのはご家庭でご覧になるなど「私的利用」の範囲に限られています。
そのため、ご計画のようにホームページや番組からコピーをし、他の方に配布することは著作権法で認められていません。
また、学校の授業で使用するのであれば、番組映像やネット上の映像を使うことができます。しかし条件があり、授業を行う教員が自分自身で使用する映像を録画やコピーをする必要があります。
そのため、Iceさんが使用する学校の教職員でない限り、Creamさんが録画・コピーしたものを、学校で使うことはできません。

ご参考にしていただければと思います。

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So, i guess the first interesting point is that it's not even based on Japanese copyright law, but the place where it's intended to be used. That makes things really complex for making anki decks for people from lots of different countries.

The second point rules out the possibility of making cheap decks that can be sold to lots of people, but, it doesn't seem to necessarily rule out making an individual deck for someone for their own personal or family use. They say it's not allowed for the seller to distribute it, but if the person wishing for the deck provided the materials, and i just alter them for anki, and don't keep any of the materials afterwards, it seems like that might slip through.

I'm obviously not a registered not-for-profit school, so that doesn't count.

Anyway, copyright law seems really complex, and i don't want to end up getting in trouble or breaking the law inadvertantly or anything, but i think a few decks here and there if people have specific requests & no time to make their own probably doesn't hurt anyone, so...

I think if both the makee (person it's being made for) has the book/whatever, and is just too lazy to type everything up on their own (if it's book-based), wouldn't that be okay? They have all the materials, you're just transforming it into an Anki deck.

Then again, I'm no expert on copyright laws. So.

yeah, actually, isn't there some company that'll OCR books for people straight from Amazon if it's for personal use? If they're legal, it's practically the same thing right?

i dunno though, i really wanted to make some really interesting and fun decks on a variety of different stuff with different media. T_T

Yeah. I don't remember the company, but people have talked about it here.

I think it would depend on the person - I think a lot of the time, people won't be like "MAKE ME A RANDOM DECK!" Most of the time, they'll have an idea of what they want and what they'd like to pay for, so I think that's the big thing. If people can prove they own the book, you could probably sell the bigger decks to them, maybe just formatted to their specifications or with little twists?

Maybe SubSRS decks would be good too, since some of that stuff can easily be gotten online...

IceCream Wrote:The second point rules out the possibility of making cheap decks that can be sold to lots of people, but, it doesn't seem to necessarily rule out making an individual deck for someone for their own personal or family use. They say it's not allowed for the seller to distribute it, but if the person wishing for the deck provided the materials, and i just alter them for anki, and don't keep any of the materials afterwards, it seems like that might slip through.

nohika Wrote:Maybe SubSRS decks would be good too, since some of that stuff can easily be gotten online...

Subs2SRS is so simple to use, I honestly can't imagine how anyone who is able to use Anki and has all the relevant material wouldn't be able to use the program to make their own deck. However, if Icecreams service includes transcribing NHK programs with no Japanese subs or correcting bad ones, then yeh I can see value in that.

One thing to consider on the copyright issue - there are tons of sites that allow downloads of Asian dramas, anime, movies and subs - and they all seem to operate without copyright problems. So would a single user operating from a few forums attract more attention than the huge fansub or RAW manga download sites? Very much doubt you'd have any problems..

aphasiac Wrote:

IceCream Wrote:The second point rules out the possibility of making cheap decks that can be sold to lots of people, but, it doesn't seem to necessarily rule out making an individual deck for someone for their own personal or family use. They say it's not allowed for the seller to distribute it, but if the person wishing for the deck provided the materials, and i just alter them for anki, and don't keep any of the materials afterwards, it seems like that might slip through.

nohika Wrote:Maybe SubSRS decks would be good too, since some of that stuff can easily be gotten online...

Subs2SRS is so simple to use, I honestly can't imagine how anyone who is able to use Anki and has all the relevant material wouldn't be able to use the program to make their own deck. However, if Icecreams service includes transcribing NHK programs with no Japanese subs or correcting bad ones, then yeh I can see value in that.

One thing to consider on the copyright issue - there are tons of sites that allow downloads of Asian dramas, anime, movies and subs - and they all seem to operate without copyright problems. So would a single user operating from a few forums attract more attention than the huge fansub or RAW manga download sites? Very much doubt you'd have any problems..

Some people are lazy as sin, pretty much.

aphasiac Wrote:One thing to consider on the copyright issue - there are tons of sites that allow downloads of Asian dramas, anime, movies and subs - and they all seem to operate without copyright problems. So would a single user operating from a few forums attract more attention than the huge fansub or RAW manga download sites? Very much doubt you'd have any problems..

One thing to note, fansubbers can receive a take down notice if they try to sub series that are licensed in English, or attract attention from the Japanese anime/movie studios, and scanlated (OneManga) and RAW manga (Mangahelpers) download sites can receive them too, but downloads posted on forums (hopefully) shouldn't attract more attention than the big sites...

well, those sites don't charge any money either, though...

well, i wasn't really thinking totally random, but yeah, here's a few of the kind of ideas i'd been thinking of:
* transcribing or using scripts to make decks for anime / drama / movies that people liked but there aren't subs for. Probably not every single line (too boring!), but picked for interestingness & vocabulary.
* "speak like a ..." / "understand ... Japanese" decks, for understanding and mimicking various different types of Japanese. e.g. news & weather, gangsta, yakuza, anime character, machine, old man, dialects, etcetc.
* a basic grammar deck based on either the basic dictionary of Japanese grammar, or Japanese the manga way, complete with media, that could be suitable for absolute beginners... something that we're really lacking.
* grammar decks for JLPT1 & 2 with media
* introductions to various academic subjects, that eventually would take you right from lower school to university lectures, using the NHK shows and OpenCourseware. Each deck would contain both stuff you should know academically and the vocabulary to understand it.
* prepicked decks with vocab, collocations, and nice sentences from specific novels, so people could just go through the deck and then read the book in a more fun and less scientific way after using the deck.
* prepicked decks from shows, using subs2srs for people who don't want to go through the whole deck deleting most of the lines, or for those who don't want to figure out how to use it. It is really simple to use, but for whatever reason, it still seems to take a lot of people a long time to get round to it.

... i dunno, i'm sure there's lots more ideas, but the problem is that most of these would be quite large projects, so it would be helpful if more than one person would be interested in buying the decks... especially as i'd also want to donate a percentage to Anki & cb490 too.

Those sound awesome, Ice Cream - especially the basic grammar deck. Tae Kim works for some people, but not everyone...and I think that'll be a huge help to most people.

I think the novel/manga decks would be helpful too, and probably more easily commissioned by book, maybe?

I was looking at the site and I believe it wouldn't be too hard for someone to whip up a python/perl/etc script that would do all of that for you.

Site confuses me though and I am not particularly sure what you want from it :p

This all sounds like a great idea. Making decks is always a PITA, especially if you've got a full time job.

Copyright law is fairly consistent between developed countries, due to various treaties and conventions. Fair use of copyrighted works is a grey area. A deck of vocab words is likely ok (you can't copyright a word, but they may try to claim the particular selection and order). A fan-subbed drama is likely not ok (it contains the entire original work, and is therefore unambiguously a derived work). In between is grey. Both of you owning the source material doesn't necessary make it any more legal, especially if money is changing hands.

You'll probably be ok if you just do it small scale over email though. A big flashy website that ranks high on a google search is another story.

I've wanted vocab lists from manga before, but I'm basically too lazy to type it out. I wonder how much it'd cost per chapter to have someone do that for me?

I'd probably only do it for my favorite series... And then only if it's cheap enough. Which is probably isn't.

-sigh-

I think paying by the card and type would probably be a good way to charge. Vocab card - $0.XX and sentence cards 2 x $0.XX. If you charge buy chapter it would vary too much but I kind of feel that we shouldn't pay for Anki decks and just share the wealth. But I admit I'd be more willing to mine sentences if I was getting paid at least $12 an hour.

I vote to send IceCream to India/China to manage a group a people to mine sentences for us for peanuts

Hashiriya Wrote:I vote to send IceCream to India/China to manage a group a people to mine sentences for us for peanuts

Not a very good idea, she will melt in that climate.

jettyke Wrote:

Hashiriya Wrote:I vote to send IceCream to India/China to manage a group a people to mine sentences for us for peanuts

Not a very good idea, she will melt in that climate.

Antarctica instead? She wouldn't melt there, I just dunno how much she'll get done...