I consider fluent being when the skill level between you and the average native speaker is about the same.

When you don't need to ask that question.

claudia Wrote:I think fluent for me is to be able to write, read, speak and think in a language with comfort, as you would do with your native language.

I consider myself fluent in English and I actually do a lot of things in English everyday (reading tutorials, reading forums, news, etc.) and it doesn’t cost me a lot. Sometimes I even think in English.

I think fluency isn't about perfection or knowing every word it exist. It’s like your native language, It’s normal to have mistakes when you speak or write, and I don’t know every word in Spanish (there are really some weird words), but I steel can get everything from context.

i agree on all points with this. You can't know everything but that doesn't mean your not fluent/native-level in a language.

lokideviluk Wrote:When you don't need to ask that question.

haha yea

KMDES Wrote:I consider fluent being when the skill level between you and the average native speaker is about the same.

sounds like native-level fluency to me but doesn't really matter in the long-run. We just want to have strong skills in the language itself

Cranks Wrote:Rethinking this thread...

Level 0: Something quite special, perhaps?
Level 1: Native Level.
Level 2: Mastery (A high level of competency in all 4 skills plus the ability to communicate with a high understanding of how to communicate effectively.)
Level 3: Fluency (can read, write, speak and understand a language to an advanced level.)
Level 4: Everyone else.

Maybe looking at it as "Fluency" being an advanced stage of use with 2 other levels that express the complexity of the language helps to distinguish that fluency is perhaps more of a beginning than an end. Less black and white, but more a spectrum of grays leading from A to B.

I'd say mastery is above native-level when you think about it in a different light. But the goal is native-level for most, not mastery-level. We don't really achieve that in our native-language when we think about it in that sense. But none the less it's different per person.
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In terms of kanji, 4000=your awesome. 6000 and your lengedary lol(kenji kentai)