What will you do such that will make all the hard work worth it?

For me it's using all Japanese resources, from people to articles!

Living there for a while would be great too, but if I couldn't live there, it won't disappoint me.

Nothing but sweet personal satisfaction.

Cheers

Jorre

I plan to reap the rewards long before fluency. Anime, manga, novels... Awesomeness.

Edit: Oh wait, yeah, I'm already starting to do that.

What, we have to work hard to learn Japanese?

wccrawford Wrote:I plan to reap the rewards long before fluency. Anime, manga, novels... Awesomeness.

Edit: Oh wait, yeah, I'm already starting to do that.

Indeed, but I'm talking about the final reward, the fluency which gives great freedom in using the language.
Can't wait!

Your words are encouraging! Thanks

hmm this one is a hard question to answer since I got so many things I would do but I would say: just to be able to use the language at will (with ease). Because Japanese isn't really related to any language I know. So the satisfactions have conquering something unknown that you really weren't "destined" to know.

Become a hikikomori who browses 2ch all day every day.

It's on the journey which you reap the rewards. After that you sometimes start taking them for granted like u do with ur native language haha. It's not black and white though... more like one big gradient.

dizmox Wrote:Become a hikikomori who browses 2ch all day every day.

Finally, a good reason.

There is a device located in Japan. Its nature and power are secret and of an immensity that would drive one mad with the knowledge of it. Its location exists on a single map of such complexity and linguistic trickery that deep knowledge of the Japanese language is required to interpret it. The instructions for the usage of this device follow suit. The Japanese used is constructed in such a way that both fluency and a strong will are requisite to possess and implement this device, the language acting as a shield for the mind.

Now, I have told you too much. Don't ever ask me this again. There are those who seek this device, and they will know and find you should you express even the slightest interest in it. My keyboard is engraved with arcane sigils that protect me from detection so long as I refrain from further exposition.

Good luck.

@nest0r: I am a Gundam pilot by trade.

I'll probably go to Japan and street race. Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift, obviously based on real events, drives (pun intended) my ambition higher than ever. Before I know it I'll be the DK.

kerosan41 Wrote:

dizmox Wrote:Become a hikikomori who browses 2ch all day every day.

Finally, a good reason.

Edit: Oh wait, yeah, I'm already starting to do that.

So, become an aspiring gundam pilot street-racing hikikomori like everyone else in Japan.

Hit on girls in Shibuya

I just wanna "win". I guess for me the achievement of having it to a insanely high level is enough satisfaction. Being able to speak, read, write, understand and romance girls in Shibuya while piloting a Gundam would be a enough.

I'd go for one of the dialects, master it to perfection. Either Kanazawa dialect or Kansai dialect. Kanazawa because I once stayed there with a family for a couple of months and couldn't understand shit when お父さん talked to his buddies while having x beers, and Kansai because it's well known...

Or maybe I just move on to Italian instead.

tokyostyle Wrote:

fakewookie Wrote:Hit on girls in Shibuya

He asked about when you become fluent ... not what you will do to become fluent.

Haha A nice one!

You know that you've became fluent when native speakers no longer tell you that your Japansese is very good. That applies to ANY language.

art_ok Wrote:You know that you've became fluent when native speakers no longer tell you that your Japansese is very good. That applies to ANY language.

true

art_ok Wrote:You know that you've became fluent when native speakers no longer tell you that your Japansese is very good. That applies to ANY language.

so wait.. you mean I'm not actually 上手? rats...

Hard question for me to answer right here.. hmmm.. being a Gundam pilot works lol. Being able to fully read texts in novels and games would be a real nice feeling as well as watching Anime, movies and Japanese TV without wondering so much about what's going on being able to follow topics with ease. Having knowledge of so much Kanji that when you write it your friends are in awe at how good you write them. too much things for me to say i would do when I attain a strong Foundation in Japanese Maybe in another 2 years I should be pretty good in Japanese before I go to Japan I want to be at a middle-High Intermediate stage when I come back from Japan I most likely will study to the point where I hit the low advanced stage to the point where Nothing in Japanese Written wise Spoken wise and noise wise ( Japanese Onomatopoeia sounds, Like Nico Nico, Fuwa Fuwa etc.. even though I know what those mean lol.) Still this won't be easy later on as I have interests in other Languages as well.

Gingerninja Wrote:

art_ok Wrote:You know that you've became fluent when native speakers no longer tell you that your Japansese is very good. That applies to ANY language.

so wait.. you mean I'm not actually 上手? rats...

So true...

Gingerninja Wrote:

art_ok Wrote:You know that you've became fluent when native speakers no longer tell you that your Japansese is very good. That applies to ANY language.

so wait.. you mean I'm not actually 上手? rats...

that phrase get's used too much...

Hei606 Wrote:Hard question for me to answer right here.. hmmm.. being a Gundam pilot works lol. Being able to fully read texts in novels and games would be a real nice feeling as well as watching Anime, movies and Japanese TV without wondering so much about what's going on being able to follow topics with ease. Having knowledge of so much Kanji that when you write it your friends are in awe at how good you write them. too much things for me to say i would do when I attain a strong Foundation in Japanese Maybe in another 2 years I should be pretty good in Japanese before I go to Japan I want to be at a middle-High Intermediate stage when I come back from Japan I most likely will study to the point where I hit the low advanced stage to the point where Nothing in Japanese Written wise Spoken wise and noise wise ( Japanese Onomatopoeia sounds, Like Nico Nico, Fuwa Fuwa etc.. even though I know what those mean lol.) Still this won't be easy later on as I have interests in other Languages as well.

a lot of what you said is basically what I intend to do with jp in terms of media,reading,etc