Hi,

There is a huge amount of useful information on this forum, but nowhere that brings all the key information together for the books (that I know of). Looking at the wikipedia page for these books is a bit disappointing; the information is a bit thin.

I am wondering if some of the people on this forum might have something to add to the page. Even the basic things are missing - like edition numbers etc.

cheers,

The page looks pretty thorough to me. I'm not sure that information about volume numbers is terribly relevant to such an article. Did you have anything specific in mind that you thought might improve it?

Hey JimmySeal,

Edition numbers I would find useful when purchasing the books (to ensure I have the most recent edition). Here is an example of other technical data that might be useful (the right hand side).

Specifically it would be nice to see the methods sections expanded. Hesig's method is pretty unique, so I think the pros and cons merit discussion.

cheers,

[ファブリス]

I'm not sure Wikipedia wants another "RTK doesn't teach Japanese and fills your mind with silly stories" flamewar (or edit war in this case ).

I may be grumpy today, but eh... the authors of Remembering the Kanji and the international offshoots barely do anything themselves to promote the book. Case in point when they moved servers they broke the links and didn't even make a proper redirect from the previous official page.

The official page itself is a train wreck. They could pay a designer a couple hundred dollars maybe to make something 100x better in a couple days.

Yeah it would be lovely to have a better Remembering the Kanji page on Wikipedia, but the authors apparently want to keep it an "underground" thing.

Boy.pockets Wrote:Edition numbers I would find useful when purchasing the books (to ensure I have the most recent edition).

To be honest, it really doesn't make a difference. If you're doing the study alone, you'll never know the difference. If you go on forums and stuff like that, you'll see that people have already asked the same questions as you.

Quote:Specifically it would be nice to see the methods sections expanded. Hesig's method is pretty unique, so I think the pros and cons merit discussion.

I may direct you to this sticky: What's the point of RtK (Remembering the Kanji) ?
You'll find pros and cons in there. But here's a tl;dr, from what I know:
Pros: Learn how to write/recognize kanji, and remember them well
Cons: Don't learn how to read; Primitives aren't actual radicals.

but yeah, I don't think we need to discuss something that has been thrown around over and over here, and probably all around the internet as well.

Speaking of which, there seems to be a 6th edition on the way with over 2.200 漢字, and some old errors 町 (まち) and 村 (むら) to name two. *click* I wonder how this can happen. Has no one ever told the publishers about it? For a wiki page a list of errors would be great, with a reference to the Edition the error is contained in.

ファブリス i think most japanese websites are following the FFF (form follows function) aproach, only backwards. They don't seem to want to waste resources for a good looking website, for a book, that is listed under "Miscellaneous Titles."

Boy.pockets Wrote:Here is an example of other technical data that might be useful (the right hand side).

Ah, the dragon compilers book. I actually took Professor Aho's compilers class, but had all but forgotten about the book. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. I didn't realize it was the "definitive" compiler text.

ファブリス Wrote:I may be grumpy today, but eh... the authors of Remembering the Kanji and the international offshoots barely do anything themselves to promote the book.

My guess is that Dr. Heisig would prefer to forget about these books altogether and focus on his research, but realizes it would be foolish to not at least make them available to the hordes practically begging to buy them these days. If he were really interested in selling 漢字 books, I think RTH 2 would be out by now.

Nagareboshi Wrote:Speaking of which, there seems to be a 6th edition on the way with over 2.200 漢字, and some old errors 町 (まち) and 村 (むら) to name two.

I remember reading somewhere a long time ago about Dr. Heisig mentioning this specifically as an example of something he'd change if he had the chance. When 5th Ed. came out and it didn't change, I assumed he stuck with it to maintain keyword consistency across editions.

Nagareboshi Wrote:For a wiki page a list of errors would be great, with a reference to the Edition the error is contained in.

The book's webpage has an errata file for the 5th edition with (presumably) all of the errors found so far, 6 in total. There used to be a massive errata file for the 4th edition, but I guess it's not available anymore.

5th Ed. Errata

At the very least the wiki should at least state there are 5 editions published and that there is a 6th edition in the works that includes all the current errata and the additional supplemental general-use kanji.

So i have made some changes. Feel free to check it out and make changes :).

Boy.pockets Wrote:So i have made some changes. Feel free to check it out and make changes .

Looks good.

@Nukemarine: tanks.

I would also like to add a pros/cons section to the article. i have the start of it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rememb...criticisms

throw in your two cents if you have them :)

cheers

The reason the criticism section was removed the first time had to do with lack of citation iirc. I think there are some Amazon reviews if those are acceptable. Not sure if the critical responses to the thread about the Heisig method being beyond criticism would count as reasonable citation or not.

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...2#pid12872

@NUkemarine,

Good point about the citation. I have checked out the Amazon reviews (the one-stars), some of which are useful. Not sure either about the thread. Maybe not, but it is a good resource never the less. Your post is a good summary.

I have one citation (kinda), backing up your second point; a study on the accuracy of the keywords that might be useful, if not very formal.

I think your first point can fall under the umbrella of the book being very focused in it's study. Maybe restrictive is a better word. You need to follow it to the letter.

I will read through the thread you linked later for some more ideas.