nonpoint Wrote:

Tobberoth Wrote:I think people who buy the QRG and follow it like a bible will only find failure in the end. Hopefully they will get it and be inspired by it instead.

Khatz, on the AJATT website, Wrote:It is short. Brief. Laconic. That’s the point. “Quick” Reference Guide, not “The Bible”.

So thats where you got "bible" from.

Also "only find failure"? Following AJATT to the letter leads only to failure?
You're trolling right?

Bible in this case didn't refer to size, it referred to dogma. Many people read what Khazu says and follows it blindly without thinking for themselves. THAT leads to failure. Like I wrote, being inspired by it is great.

BTW, I find it fun how the ebook is supposebly 50 pages if it's laconic when AJATT is a technique which takes less than one page to explain. How can it possibly be brief if it's 50 pages?

Tobberoth Wrote:BTW, I find it fun how the ebook is supposebly 50 pages if it's laconic when AJATT is a technique which takes less than one page to explain. How can it possibly be brief if it's 50 pages?

Because khatz has some sort of verbal diarrhea illness. Also it helps to have more than one page if you're selling it.

So anyway, you weren't trolling? Yikes.

drivers99 Wrote:Khatz never puts himself out as someone whose dogma you must follow:

Quote:I developed a specific method/system for learning Japanese. I discuss that system on this website. However, the entire thing didn’t just pop into my head, a blueprint ready for execution. It was the result of lots of trial, error, self-doubt, frustration, and all that good stuff — the classic 10% inspiration to 90% perspiration deal. It’s a good system — I wouldn’t have followed it, nor would I be explaining it to you, if it weren’t. But it’s not, like, distilled from Mother Theresa’s urine, it’s just a system. You can fine-tune it, improve it, (in the extreme, you can even (gasp) reject it altogether), if you choose. In fact, I encourage you to do so. I hate being told what to do; I hate being ordered around, so I’m not here to play commander to you.

Feel free to try different things, even if I don’t agree with you. And if you fail, be like Sean and say “I meant to do that”. Pretend it was just an experiment and that failure was a big possibility. In truth, this isn’t just pretense, it may well be a more accurate worldview than that we are traditionally taught. We always have assumptions and expectations, but almost never do we have 100% statistical certainty, it’s all an experiment to some extent or other.

http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blo...to-do-that

Why does everyone always gotta be shitting on Khatz anyway? If it wasn't for his blog, I never would have found Heisig, SRS, Anki, RevTK, and I wouldn't know how to write (let's see...) 1400 kanji right now. He put the effort into sharing what he found works, and for that, he has my thanks.

I didn't say he did. The problem isn't Khazu, the problem is the people following him in that way, which several people are doing.

So when are we going to get some reviews in here?

bombpersons Wrote:I think he's just exploiting his popularity for cash... Theres no reason it couldn't have been free, it's not like he's making a living from it... It'll be on torrent sites the day it comes out though...

Except he already does. He already supplements his income from donations and consulting. It's really no different than personal/productivity coaching, which is not surprising from the contents of his posts over the last year or so.

Who cares, yo.

REVIEW!

I asked for it, but I just bought it and read it. I figured I could give the man 10 bucks for all the wisdom I've gotten from him.

My advice for anyone who is already sentence-methoding, etc, has their groove going to any degree past doing RTK is to not buy it (unless you want to give Khatz some money as a thank you). It's pretty much in tune with what he says on the site, and if you've read the site then you got the better end of the info.

That being said, it is an extremely simplified version of the site with specific steps. It's 45 pages total but it's not dense, it's like a 45-slide Powerpoint presentation. He gives step by step instructions on how to do the basics. It was really boring to read because I already knew everything on the site.

The only new info seems to come from what he's gleaned from "The Talent Code" and "Talent is Overrated". The idea of a distinction between active work and passive work (he calls it pedaling vs. coasting). He says both are important but that you can only pedal for a couple hours a day, the rest should just be coasting.

WRT sentence method, it's the simple "full kanji sentence" and produce the reading, and then bilingual/monolingual definitions in the text. He doesn't mention anything about writing down kanji from sentences or doing kana-kanji. The articles outlining those SRS methods were also taken down from his site's table of contents. I suspect that his conclusion may have been that they don't fit with the "bubble wrap" feeling of SRSing when it takes so long to do a single SRS rep, which also ties into Quantity over Quality. But that's just a guess.

Anything else you guys want to know?

Khatzu's whole thing from day 1 was to "earn some cash" while providing a service - his AJATT method. It's in his 1st or 2nd post way back.

I'm not knocking him for it. Hell, he prolly put a crap load of work into that site. But, I find the site more of a motivator, then a guide. Technically, it has all the info you need to understand the method, but for me it shines in other areas.

thanks, good review

I also bought the QRG. Before reading it (and after reading it), I felt that I didn't really need it. But whatev. It's a good way to support Khatz.

Basically, it's a step by step guide that covers all of the annoying, stupid, little questions that people have. There's a bit more that's interesting and useful, but, overall, you're better off reading his site. He's right when he says that you really don't need the QRG.

@Tobberoth: Khatz addresses the very issue of his word being taken as scripture in the QRG. One of the first slides is titled "Don't trust me, trust you." Basically, "trust yourself and your own judgment." Maybe you should have bought it yourself before making such sweeping judgments about the guide

To step in here a bit and defend tobberoth. All he was making "sweeping judgements" about were the few people who will inevitably latch onto what Khatz says and follows him credulously. Whether or not Khatz tells people not to take it like a bible, you all know that people are generally stupid and look for something simple that they can latch onto without thinking. That's all tobberoth was ridiculing. Sorry if I overstepped my bounds. However, I really hate it when people jump into euber-defensive mode for no demonstrable reason

Hmm. Tobberoth pointed out a widespread and serious problem among AJATT followers, and Khatzumono addressed it in a powerpoint-like booklet. Sounds like a solid QRG for lazy people.

While there are undoubtably AJATT followers who are sane, the most vocal ones are all cultists.

Jarvik7 Wrote:While there are undoubtably AJATT followers who are sane, the most vocal ones are all cultists.

Why do you hate Khatzumoto-sama??!?!!?! You're just jealous. So negative. Start your own journal and fill it with self-help posts and quotes and links to gurus and then you can talk!

Hahaha...

1) I'm not jealous of anyone nor do I hate khatz. I do however disagree with some of what he says and think he's a bad (verbose) writer.
2) I won't want to waste my time blogging and have no desire for a following.
3) I'm not negative, I call things as I see them.
4) One does not need to produce X in order to criticize X. ex: Movie critics are not film directors. ex2: Khatz criticized university Japanese classes and yet he is not a university professor.
5) The particular post to which you reply was criticizing people who are cultists, not khatz.
6) You need to accept that not everyone has the same opinions that you hold. If you disagree with something I say, argue the point instead of shouting like a child.

This is an academic forum. Academics is about criticism. Criticism allows ideas, theories, resources, tools, etc to improve. By criticizing cultism it encourages individual rational thought instead of blind acceptance.

Jarvik7 Wrote:Hahaha...

1) I'm not jealous of anyone nor do I hate khatz. I do however disagree with some of what he says and think he's a bad (verbose) writer.
2) I won't want to waste my time blogging and have no desire for a following.
3) I'm not negative, I call things as I see them.
4) One does not need to produce X in order to criticize X. ex: Movie critics are not film directors. ex2: Khatz criticized university Japanese classes and yet he is not a university professor.
5) The particular post to which you reply was criticizing people who are cultists, not khatz.
6) You need to accept that not everyone has the same opinions that you hold. If you disagree with something I say, argue the point instead of shouting like a child.

You're not supposed to give deadpan responses to sarcasm. Ruins my mockery. But still, maybe I just gave you a venue to get those arguments out of the way. In exchange for that handsome, feel free to donate me some money. I mean you don't need to and it's totally lame to donate, wink wink, but if you want to donate some money feel free. Wink wink. (I'm being witty and self-deprecating, nudge nudge. Endearing isn't it. Donate.)

nest0r: Well, I know I am in the minority on this forum in that I don't agree with much of AJATT and by extension khatz, so the sarcasm detector doesn't work as well.

I only know of QRG from this thread, but my money says it's still overly verbose.

Jarvik7 Wrote:nest0r: Well, I know I am in the minority on this forum in that I don't agree with much of AJATT and by extension khatz, so the sarcasm detector doesn't work as well.

I only know of QRG from this thread, but my money says it's still overly verbose.

Yeah but c'mon, it's me. nest0r. Sniff, feels like we don't even know each other anymore. We're worlds apart.

Maybe you're a closet cultist who had too much koolaid today.
I was actually kind of surprised that you wrote that but it never occurred to me that it was sarcasm. I was more like "Et tu, nest0r?"

I blame the fact that it's 2am and I've been poking around in SQL databases and python for a few hours.

igordesu Wrote:@Tobberoth: Khatz addresses the very issue of his word being taken as scripture in the QRG. One of the first slides is titled "Don't trust me, trust you." Basically, "trust yourself and your own judgment." Maybe you should have bought it yourself before making such sweeping judgments about the guide

I didn't make ANY sweeping judgements about the guide. I made sweeping judgment about his regular readers and the people who will buy it. And it's not only sweeping, it's perfectly true as well.

igordesu is one of the cultists you guys speak of. He seems nuts, just read his comments! Freaking CULTIST!!

Anyway, this is all one would ever need to understand what alljapaneseallthetime is about:
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blo....chart.png
If something is missing, make stuff up as you go along... Try->Fail->Try something new
As soon as paypal unfreeze my account I'll donate to khatz and the anki devel guys because of all the goodness they've unleashed on the internets for free.

Tobberoth Wrote:I made sweeping judgment about his regular readers and the people who will buy it. And it's not only sweeping, it's perfectly true as well.

I'm a regular reader and since I am not like that then your sweeping judgement falls flat. Thats why passing judgment like that sucks. Don't do it!
Also, being one of the regular readers does that mean in the end I will only find failure? (I'm paraphrasing, didnt wanna go find the original text to quote you, I orkar inte do that )

I don't like this thread, it is filled with people who drank the gatorade(like JarJarvik7). You can argue with me on #RTK @ IrcNET.

yousa like trolling!

donate to me too plz

By the way I am probably the most well-known ajatt critic here. That would make me the opposite of what you just called me. Good job.

You apparently "are like that" telling by how you respond to criticism that doesn't even have anything to do with you.

Jarvik7 Wrote:yousa like trolling!

donate to me too plz

By the way I am probably the most wellknown ajatt critic here. That would make me the opposite of what you just called me. Good job.

Hahah you got the joke, JarJarvik7

Thats why I called you a gatorade cultist silly, because thats your thing: All-output-all-the-time right?

nonpoint Wrote:

Jarvik7 Wrote:yousa like trolling!

donate to me too plz

By the way I am probably the most wellknown ajatt critic here. That would make me the opposite of what you just called me. Good job.

Hahah you got the joke, JarJarvik7

Thats why I called you a gatorade cultist silly, because thats your thing: All-output-all-the-time right?

No, I'm all about balance...

Input, Output, classes, self study, historical etymology, grammar (from a linguistics perspective), etc

I suggest you lurk moar.

Jarvik7 Wrote:I suggest you lurk moar.

I knew it, a b-tard... Well there goes the last shred of your credibility. "Do a barrel-roll, long-cat!"

BTW, I have not learned I single thing from you, in fact I think reading your post in the survey thread made me dumber. I would never even consider donating to the likes of you.