JapanesePod101 Audio Sentence Mining Project

nest0r · 2010-11-30, 2:30 pm

buonaparte Wrote:nest0r,
lengthy descriptions are my weak point, I agree. Sorry to have caused so much trouble for everyone.

As to Japanesepod again. I only listened here and there, but Miki's audioblog was very good.
To compare it with Pimplseur is not fair.

If I had to choose between anki and Miki I'd go for Miki. I would go crazy if I had to use anki or similar tools.

I use both types of resources, if I had to only use one or the other I wouldn't go crazy but I'd feel like I was stagnating. But I'll always prioritize excising core information from materials, actively studying them and using the SRS to memorize, and then engage in materials without the overhead, as part of the production line process. Over time the information to be excised will be minimal in comparison to materials engaged.

buonaparte · 2010-11-30, 2:48 pm

I can see the links have been removed after all. To tell you the truth I feel relieved.
Sorry once again for having been such a trouble maker.

Blahah · 2010-11-30, 2:55 pm

If anyone wants the links in order to help with the Anki deck project (or whatever), they can ask me privately (and I guess buonaparte the troublemaker).

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nest0r · 2010-11-30, 2:58 pm

Don't worry, whenever this thread seems like it's dying, I'll pop in and revive it by apologising. ;p

Asriel · 2010-11-30, 3:50 pm

buonaparte Wrote:By the way, strange how people differ! I liked Miki very much. Maybe because of her voice.

I guess it's good for an educational blog, because they speak clearly and all.

But going from something like TokyoLocal or something to JapanesePod101...there's definitely a difference...It just seems more 'classroomy,' but I guess that's the point, right?

edit: I do like their onomatopoeia ones. Which means there's probably other ones that are good too -- they've got a huge amount of stuff.

buonaparte · 2010-11-30, 4:10 pm

nest0r,
you're perfectly right. And the Japanesepod101 will be getting free advertizing.
By the way, you're reviving the thread by your comments, too.

Asriel,
why on earth should you need http://www.japanesepod101.com/ if you can listen to http://www.tokyolocal.jp/blog/?
The way is from http://www.japanesepod101.com/ to http://www.tokyolocal.jp/blog/.
http://www.japanesepod101.com/ is defenately the greatest site ever. It is the best way to learn Japanese. It's fun, too. And you can get a free lifetime account. And they have plenty of line-by-line audio there, too.
And you can download anything you want. And there's no need to pay.
Long live http://www.japanesepod101.com/!
It's even better than http://podcast.ibc.co.jp/maitta/ - my favourite site.

Asriel · 2010-11-30, 4:14 pm

Because I'm not good at learning things on my own (read: lazy), and was hoping that they had all the JLPTN1-N5 grammar on there, so I could have podcasts focusing just on the grammar that I'm currently trying to teach myself. It gets a lot of different contexts and discussion about things, so you know you get it right.

Plus, there's a lot of loose-ends I'd like to pick up too (四字熟語／擬態語／擬音語／etc)

nest0r · 2010-11-30, 4:22 pm

buonaparte Wrote:nest0r,
you're perfectly right. And the Japanesepod101 will be getting free advertizing.
By the way, you're reviving the thread by your comments, too.

hehe, No, it's not 'reviving' until the thread dies or at least slips from the 'Recent Topics' thread. Though a more abstract form of 'reviving' might be 'reviving the for-some-reason controversial issue' type, via taking on the perspective of a 'side' (offender/offendee, attacker/victim, etc.). In that sense my comments are more side-tracking/defusing than anything.

**ファブリス** · 2010-11-30, 7:24 pm

@buonaparte: there are many shades of gray. Isn't the point of a learning site like JapanesePod101 to provide material of incremental complexity, or material with "organized" content if you will? There's time for that, and there's time for "immersion". You seem sarcastic in your last post, I'm not sure why, really.

buonaparte · 2010-12-01, 1:02 am

nest0r,
You seem to imply that I think I'm a victim. On the contrary, I feel relieved. I won't be having to upload anything. What a relief!

On the one hand, I'm an extreme adventurer, that is my only rule is: There are no rule®s!.
On the other hand, I have a strong sense of duty: whenever I see somebody in a fix, my first reaction is: Help the poor devil!
(I have terabytes of Japanese stuff on my comp, you name it, I have it, so it is relatively easy to help.)

Here are some legal resources for line-by-line audio:

http://jplang.tufs.ac.jp/en/ka/1/1.html
https://www.erin.ne.jp/jp/
http://www.coscom.co.jp/j-index.html
http://www.coscom.co.jp/ebook/j-250vb.html
http://www.colby.edu/personal/t/tkprindl...Index.html
http://www.goethe-verlag.com/book2/EN/index.htm

You can make your own line-by-line the way I did:

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TIP: How to automate the audio-splitting process

Here's something I've discovered whilst using Audacity. I would like to share it with my language-learning brethrens who also use Audacity for shadowing purposes:
1. Load the audiobook mp3/wave file in Audacity.
2. Select all (keyboard shortcut: CTRL-A) or a portion of the audiobook section.
3. Click Analyze, and select Silence Finder. (This feature will analyze portions of audio demarcated by silence, and it will label them accordingly. At this point, it is immensely helpful if the audiofile you are using has only the narrator/storyteller speaking at all times, with no accompanying background music.)
4. I have found a useful generic setting for almost all of my audio files to be this:

Silence Level: 15 (dB)
Minimum silence duration: 0.5 (seconds)
Place label: 0.30 (seconds)

(Adjust accordingly. A brief explanation of the above things: The 'silence level' determines the minimum 'volume' of silence a portion of audio has to be at before it is considered 'silent', and is made as a marking point. Hence, if there is noise, or background music, in the audio, consider raising this value. The 'minimum silence duration' is the minimum length between two points in an audio file where there is silence. Hence, if the speech going back and forth, or narration between two sentences, is too fast, consider decreasing this value. The 'place label' determines how much space, in seconds, is placed in front of each labelled audio portion.)

4. If all goes well, you will now see a new 'track' appear. Check if everything is right, by pressing the CTRL key and scrolling with your mouse scroll-button to zoom in.
5. If the audio portions have all been correctly 'labelled' (and split), click File -> Export Multiple. Select your export format, and adjust the export directory and naming settings, then click Export.
6. What happens is that the audio will then be split accordingly into many various sections, usually each a chunk of 1-5 seconds long. (All silence in between have been removed, so you get chunks of pure audio data only.)

You can then load these mp3s in your favourite media player (Winamp, Foobar, Windows Media Player, VLC, et cetera, although I prefer the last because it makes it really easy for me to loop one particular chunk endlessly) and choose to focus on and repeat/shadow only the particular chunk of audio you fancy at that time, to practice intonation, pitch, melody, and whatever other colourations of speech as need be. (This avoids you having to waste time selecting manually the portion of speech you need to practice in Audacity.)
This has helped me a lot, the chunk-approach (as I call it). I even carry around these split-up mp3s with me everywhere for practice during those spare moments, and they really are a nice way of practicing things, because you're not overloading your brain with too much audio data at one time. (Small chunks work best!)
I hope this tip will help you. Let me know if it does.

Edited by ryuukohito on 10 January 2008 at 5:14am

**ファブリス** · 2010-12-01, 5:46 am

@buonaparte: thank you for sharing these.

In the future for these resourceful posts where you have lots of links to share please consider putting them in one of these places below, because it will benefit a lot more people (this thread will still be in Google's index but don't count on the Forum Search to dig up these posts intelligently).

Then you can simply link to the things you added, in the relevant discussions.

* If you have many useful resources to share, feel free to create your own thread in Learning Resources. You can bump such topics by adding posts to say that you added something, that's fine.

* You can also edit your post in Essential Resources Sticky.

* You can add to the List of Free Audiobooks Sticky (however note that sheetz moved the first post onto the Wiki).

I'm not sure if you're really into kanji as well, the equivalent kanji Sticky is:

* The Japanese Language > Kanji lists, Joyo, non-joyo etc. (Sticky topic)

FYI, I don't have a move post feature in the admin panel. This is the simple PunBB forum. It's lightweight, but also sparsely featured. On the other hand you'll find you can edit your posts forever. If you post in a good place as above, you can keep on editing your posts, as if it was a simple Wiki. So I can't do it for you as an example, otherwise you won't be able to edit the post.

Another reason to collect stuff in one place is that we have Forum Categories, Sub Forum, and Topic feeds. So for example someone can subscribe to a feed of the Audiobooks topic.

buonaparte · 2010-12-01, 6:06 am

G.O.D,
so, if I understand it correctly, I should make one thread with my posts, and just editing that thread in my first post?

I am into kanji as well, but I don't learn individual kanji, I learn words from the texts I'm reading or listen to.
I just learned the rules about stroke order and all the 214 classical radicals and their Japanese names - I found it is enough most of the times to figure out all the components in kanji at a glance and remember how new words should be written.

dusmar84 · 2011-07-01, 7:39 pm

So I just got myself a a jpod101 account (paid). Seems pretty good so far, everything is explained thoroughly, although a little too thoroughly sometimes. I was especially surprised to see they even have JLPT courses on here. Im wondering though, is there an easier way to download a season of lessons? I mean one season can have upwards of 80 individual lessons youve got to click through and download one by one. Is there a more efficient way to do this?

jubei · 2011-07-01, 7:46 pm

If you have a paid account, I think they have rss feeds with links to all audio. With a plugin like DownThemAll! on Firefox that should be an easy deal. Also, downloading a bunch of lessons can be easier through their iTunes link.

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