I'd like to see a lot more community sharing of subs2srs decks, regardless of how easy or difficult it is for you to create them (for those that think it's easy, please understand that it's difficult for others. for those that think it's difficult, keep trying!)... if we can all share what we have, I think it's a real opportunity to learn from each other.

It is in this spirit that I've made subs2srs anki decks for every episode of the Tiger and Dragon series, except for episode 10 which I'm having some problems with but working with Chris (subs2srs dev) to fix.

These decks have no English translation for the most part, although I have included some English translations in the 枕 of the SP episode. Because studying with English translations does not help me study Japanese, I've setup the field for English translation so that it remains hidden until you mouse over it. To help with understanding of each sentence in Japanese, I've included a field for vocabulary where you can include vocabulary you don't understand. Because T&G uses vobsubs, I've also included fields for Expression and Reading where you can transcribe the vobsubs to get furigana. To see an example of how I like to study with these cards, download the Tiger and Dragon SP episode and check out the first few cards.

#edit - All episodes are now available in the Anki repository. You can download them all by going to File -> Download -> Shared Deck within Anki and searching for "subs2srs" or "tiger and dragon".

Cheers, I hope to see a lot more subs2srs tagged decks up there soon!

This makes me feel suddenly motivated to upload some stuff.

hereticalrants Wrote:This makes me feel suddenly motivated to upload some stuff.

That's the idea.

The whole "it's so easy to make your own subs2srs content, newbies shouldn't be lazy and ask for my content" mindset that some have on this forum is self-destructive, I feel. We'll all learn from each other if we share decks and share content and share study methods. That's the whole point of this forum, right?

#edit - plus, Anki makes it so damn easy to share decks.... why not do it?

I've never tried subs2SRS (as I'm still plodding through the Core 6000 series and want to stay focused) but I tried downloading one of your decks and was really impressed. Thanks for sharing and good luck in getting others on board. Could be a really worthwhile project.

http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=3236&page=1

here is some aswell

loonytik Wrote:http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=3236&page=1

here is some aswell

I wonder why all those deck are not uploaded to Anki's (easy to use/manage) shared deck repository??

mpacheco Wrote:The whole "it's easy to make your own subs2srs content" mindset that many have on this forum is self-destructive, I feel. We'll all learn from each other if we share decks and share content and share study methods. That's the whole point of this forum, right?

I agree. Although honestly, creating subs2srs content can be a major pain. Finding Japanese subs and optionally getting them to sync with English subs is difficult and time consuming. Not to mention if there's a mistake in the sub...

mpacheco Wrote:#edit - plus, Anki makes it so damn easy to share decks.... why not do it?

The only downside to Anki's deck sharing system is that it's not easy to make a correction to a deck and send patches upstream- your only option is to fork it unless the original author updates it at your request. I wonder if you could adapt a distributed version control system (maybe git + github) with a plugin that automates exporting to a diffable text representation of the deck and updates fields as needed.

overture2112 Wrote:I agree. Although honestly, creating subs2srs content can be a major pain. Finding Japanese subs and optionally getting them to sync with English subs is difficult and time consuming. Not to mention if there's a mistake in the sub...

I agree that making subs2srs decks is a total pain in the ass, but there are others on the forum who chastise newbies who ask for subs2srs-generated content, telling them that "it's easy to make the content yourself, so don't be lazy." This attitude is poison to information sharing communities. Nothing bad can come of sharing subs2srs decks, whether the focus be on content or study methods, in my opinion.

overture2112 Wrote:The only downside to Anki's deck sharing system is that it's not easy to make a correction to a deck and send patches upstream- your only option is to fork it unless the original author updates it at your request. I wonder if you could adapt a distributed version control system (maybe git + github) with a plugin that automates exporting to a diffable text representation of the deck and updates fields as needed.

To make a correction to a deck, simply re-export the deck and re-upload it. There's an option on ankisrs.net to modify your shared decks, and everything from the file itself to the description and title is editable. We're not talking about software development here, so there's no need to version update subs2srs decks. Doing a diff is overkill.

Tekkonkinkreet and 5 Centimeters Per Second are now in the Anki repository as well.

mpacheco Wrote:To make a correction to a deck, simply re-export the deck and re-upload it. There's an option on ankisrs.net to modify your shared decks, and everything from the file itself to the description and title is editable. We're not talking about software development here, so there's no need to version update subs2srs decks. Doing a diff is overkill.

I meant making a correction to a deck someone else uploaded, thus forking as the only real option unless the original uploader actively maintains it.

overture2112 Wrote:I meant making a correction to a deck someone else uploaded, thus forking as the only real option unless the original uploader actively maintains it.

Point noted. Still and all, there's no need to "maintain" a subs2srs deck. Perhaps some decks do need corrections in subs or some such, but let's not put the cart before the horse. As it stands right now, we've got a pretty dismal collection up on the wiki here, and on the learnanylanguage wiki, and you can't easily maintain those either. What's more, those collections are both out of date (The Tekkonkinkreet deck link, for example, doesn't work) and they are mendoukusai to download from those obnoxious wait-60-seconds-to-get-your-dl-link sites.

Let's get some content up on the Anki repository first, then we'll be a step ahead of where we are now - download and install is super easy, and download links never expire. Then, if it becomes an issue, we can worry about the relatively small issue of fixing errors in the decks.

Incidentally, as for the decks I've uploaded, my email address is included on each page so feel free to email me with errors you find in the decks. Note that for my decks some of the info is filled with sample data, and a lot is intentionally left blank for the student to fill in.

Episode 10 is posted now.

mpacheco Wrote:Perhaps some decks do need corrections in subs or some such, but let's not put the cart before the horse. As it stands right now, we've got a pretty dismal collection up on the wiki here, and on the learnanylanguage wiki, and you can't easily maintain those either.

Good point.

Good job on those decks! I got the one for episode 6 which I remember as being one of my favourites. The setup you have there is also nice.

I would have shared a couple of decks, for the films Welcome to The Quiet Room and Juuryoku Piero. Juuryoku Piero especially had some nice science-related terms, but I had a lot of errors with the vobsub image files, so maybe 1/3 of them would be unusable, and there’d be no flow.

If anybody wants them though, that’ll be motivation to go through them once more, and try some old school manual input.

Huh. I've made a subs2srs deck out of a bunch of random Japanese songs, but I never thought about uploading it. I didn't think it would appeal to anyone, but I guess I can understand wanting to broaden the pool of available decks for everyone. Good idea. And thanks all around to all who have made decks and shared them.

@mpacheco: your decks are the biggest files uploaded to the Anki repository ever!

Most decks are less than 1 MB. The biggest one is less than 20 MB.

I think you should stop uploading them there. Use other hosting sites.

It's easier to download from megaupload, rapidshare, etc. than the Anki repository.

Before you continue, please ask resolve (Damien Elmes) if it's ok to upload these big files. If he says yes, go ahead.

Thanks everyone for the comments.

@ahibba - It's not the size of your deck, it's how you use it.

...If you're telling me that it's easier to download an Anki deck from a 3rd party site where you have to dodge "sponsored links", wait 60 seconds to get a download link, enter a captcha, unzip, import to Anki, and then save to your desired location... I don't buy it. The Anki deck repository is click-and-go, and it's built-in.

As for file size - I appreciate your concern for Damien, however I've not seen or heard of any file size limitations for the Anki repository. In fact he's made dev efforts recently to make Anki more media friendly.

If we're talking subs2srs decks i.e. copyrighted material I'm fairly sure resolve doesn't want those decks on his media server? That's just a wild guess, and I'm not sure he's felt the need to proactively 'enforce' such a thing, but if suddenly a bunch of those types of decks show up....

At any rate, I usually only use no-wait sites like ifile.it, mediafire.com, or 2shared.com. They're also very very fast, especially 2shared, though I've never uploaded to it or ifile.it, so. Mediafire's the go-to site for me. ;p For non-copyrighted material, I mean. Yes.

And I never dodge 'sponsored links' at those sites, but then again, I rarely do so for any site. Hello AdBlock Plus. ;p These days I have to disable/make Adblock exceptions out of politeness to cool sites sometimes. o_O

And if we're talkin' putting Anki at legal risk just to avoid a 60-second wait and dodge sponsoring ads, I mean c'mon. Too much entitlement.

Good for you for using no-wait download sites.. And ad-block is great software, I'm sure. I prefer a simple hosts file, myself. But that's beside the point.

Downloading from a 3rd party site, whether there's a 60 second wait or not, whether you have ad-blocker or a hosts file or whether you love ads, it's still not as convenient as downloading from the native repository. I really don't see any argument there. It's just not as convenient.

The legality is another issue altogether, an issue that wasn't brought up before and frankly one that hadn't occurred to me. Putting Damien at legal risk is not something I want to be responsible for. I'll email Damien with a link to this thread so he can read it for himself, then he can make a decision.

My goodness, the way you talk about a hosts file makes me think you've never used Adblock Plus? For heaven's sake... and Spybot, I'm sure you use that, though.

Edit: And it depends on the speed and dependability of the native (centralized) repository. In general.

And personally I prefer a mixture of types of indirectness/decentralization/control/speed with regards to third-party servers. I just find it more convenient and don't think you can argue with that. Which speaks only to certain types of downloads and I think s2srs decks applies here.

Email sent to Damien. Thanks for bringing up the legal issue. It's an important one and I really don't know how it slipped my mind. Too much software piracy, lately.. tabun ne. :\

No, I've never used Adblock. I don't use Firefox much these days either.

mpacheco Wrote:Email sent to Damien. Thanks for bringing up the legal issue. It's an important one and I really don't know how it slipped my mind. Too much software piracy, lately.. tabun ne. :

No, I've never used Adblock. I don't use Firefox much these days either.

I'm constantly nearly-forgetting that little issue, heh. I wonder how long before society collapses in a huge process of Piratic Slips.

I mean hypothetically. I never pirate and don't know what you're talking about.

nest0r Wrote:I mean hypothetically. I never pirate and don't know what you're talking about.

hah, from the sound of it I'm sure your browser history is about as spotlessly clean as mine.

btw I just downloaded the 100+mb SP episode of Tiger and Dragon from the Anki repository in less than one minute 20 seconds... I don't understand how anyone can complain about that kind of speed in 2010, and I don't understand why anyone would want something like this decentralized. I'm bowing out of the argument from here on as you're entitled to your opinion and I don't really care to change that, but if you'd care to post another response and educate me, I'm all ears.

mpacheco Wrote:

nest0r Wrote:I mean hypothetically. I never pirate and don't know what you're talking about.

hah, from the sound of it I'm sure your browser history is about as spotlessly clean as mine.

btw I just downloaded the 100+mb SP episode of Tiger and Dragon from the Anki repository in less than one minute 20 seconds... I don't understand how anyone can complain about that kind of speed in 2010, and I don't understand why anyone would want something like this decentralized. I'm bowing out of the argument from here on as you're entitled to your opinion and I don't really care to change that, but if you'd care to post another response and educate me, I'm all ears.

I simply prefer, when dealing with 'sensitive' data', to not place all my eggs in one basket, especially not one that's part of a sort of enterprise, legitimate and upstanding and whatnot, like resolve's running. Better to keep 'clean-cut' data in the Anki repository.

& Better to use the infinite network of variably fast (like 100mb in 1 minute for some, 1000mb/minute for others... ) servers across the globe/jurisdictions with their own built-in impetus to ride that fine gray line of legitimacy as part of their nebulous business models, with customizable links via URL shorteners and multi-/re-upload capabilities from anyone who has the capability to upload data. In my experience, legitimacy of data aside, you never want to rely on just one location, one path to the 'cloud'.