Thanks for the reply nuke,

Im actually getting back into subs2srs now. Im thinking about setting up my cards like this

Audio + Picture on the question side
I have to listen, repeat and then write down the sentence by hand.

Any suggestions on setting up subs2srs for production?

In regards to the MCD, are you supposed to cloze delete common phrases that come up a lot in conversation?

Thx

Seriously, I'm going to recommend against trying to write the entire sentence by hand during review. It can lead to quick burn out, especially with cards that get failed often (personal experience). Hell, I even tried doing the "Type in sentence" function with Anki and it was taking too much time.

Keep the time invested in each card short, but make up for it with lots of cards. To get in writing practice, when you first add/study a card, write in the sentence. After that, keep it all mental/vocal. Since your investment is short, you're willing to delete cards that stop serving a useful purpose (ie become to easy or redundant).

As for what to cloze delete, that's up to you. It should be something in the sentence you had to look up as it didn't make sense. That could be a vocabulary word (easy to find), or a phrase (not so easy to find). Phrases are tricky as they're not likely to have entries in dictionaries. I use kenkyuusha with EBWin, so it's a small matter of doing "find all" which looks at the thousands of example sentences. The result usually pops up the phrase being used in some way that lets me understand why it's being used.

Of course if you cloze delete, then the audio should not be on the question side. Given the difficulty of such cards, I'm trying to just convert them AFTER I've done my standard Q:"Picture, Sentence, Audio" to A:"comprehension" study/reviews (essentially, an Anki version of watching a tv show with subtitles). Doing such reviews after a month means I'm tied enough to these cards that changing some to cloze deletion is less nerve wracking. I don't convert all, just some. Anki makes it easy with it's convert card function.

I did a huge overhaul of my srs decks. It will soon be 2 main decks only. The reps in total will average around 300-600. Huge difference from 2000-4000. Feels like I'm cheating by not working harder but I'm experimenting around right now.

You should write whenever you feel fuzzy/less than Easy on something in a card, and when you restudy, as well. With your finger, mentally tracing strokes, with a stylus, pencil, etc...

Just how bad is it ?
- I've been writing all the Core new words out , the whole time!!!

Then some weeks ago I found out that It takes much less time not writing then out, and then -AGAIN! I just forgot that, and was writing them out the whole winter break and wasted my time for nothing...:S

I've noticed my Anki reviews used to take so long before. I bought ankimobile on my iPhone and I realized it's just that I hate reviewing on a compute. When I'm on the computer everything seems to be in disarray since I'm hogging the comp from two other people. I've noticed I can do like 60 frames in like 5 minutes as opposed to the 15~20 minute it would take. And it helped my retention because I'm not under stress. Not sure if you're like me, but yeah maybe you need a iphone or laptop(if you don't already).

jettyke Wrote:Just how bad is it ?
- I've been writing all the Core new words out , the whole time!!!

Then some weeks ago I found out that It takes much less time not writing then out, and then -AGAIN! I just forgot that, and was writing them out the whole winter break and wasted my time for nothing...:S

I used to write everything now I have a separate deck for that. It works wonders since I've split all my work within 3 decks. 1 sentence, 1 vocab. and 1 production deck. Works very well for me.

Jenkoi Wrote:I've noticed my Anki reviews used to take so long before. I bought ankimobile on my iPhone and I realized it's just that I hate reviewing on a compute. When I'm on the computer everything seems to be in disarray since I'm hogging the comp from two other people. I've noticed I can do like 60 frames in like 5 minutes as opposed to the 15~20 minute it would take. And it helped my retention because I'm not under stress. Not sure if you're like me, but yeah maybe you need a iphone or laptop(if you don't already).

What works for me is, time-boxing and shifting between short bursts of anki reviews and bursts of visuals(anime,reading,etc). But I always listen to something while doing my reviews. This makes the reviews painless for me and I can keep doing them way.

Jenkoi Wrote:I've noticed my Anki reviews used to take so long before. I bought ankimobile on my iPhone and I realized it's just that I hate reviewing on a compute. When I'm on the computer everything seems to be in disarray since I'm hogging the comp from two other people. I've noticed I can do like 60 frames in like 5 minutes as opposed to the 15~20 minute it would take. And it helped my retention because I'm not under stress. Not sure if you're like me, but yeah maybe you need a iphone or laptop(if you don't already).

I own a laptop, but not an iphone. You mean a PC might be bad, because there might be other users, and it slows down? Otherwise I don't see how owning a laptop might be better for anki reviews...(other than portability)

@jenkoi
Ah, the joys of having your own computer.

@jettyke
If I'm at my computer at home, I type out my vocab reviews. I've found it helps me focus, since I touch type and can essentially start typing before I've processed the whole word. This is especially true if the word in question is long. I don't force myself to do this, though - some words are faster and I just skip it on those. Stopped doing this a while back, partly because I thought it would be faster, partly because I got an iPhone. Ironically, I've since picked up the habit again and I found it to be a bit more effective for me. YMMV.

Of course, if you've got alot of "dead time" to kill in a day you can't beat something that fits in your pocket.

As for writing on paper, I don't think anything beyond a kanji deck (with Japanese keywords) would be worth the time investment, since it does add alot of review time and you hardly need to learn writing word-for-word.

Talking about loooooong anki reviews - that's what you get when your HDD goes poof and you (read: me) 'forgot' about backuping or placing the decks online and have to start over again... Yay...

paasan Wrote:Talking about loooooong anki reviews - that's what you get when your HDD goes poof and you (read: me) 'forgot' about backuping or placing the decks online and have to start over again... Yay...

Heh, this has happened to me too!
Fortunately I bought a new laptop after the hdd blew up, so I guess I won't have to worry about it in the coming years.

quincy Wrote:Personally I go through my anki reviews as fast as possible without worrying about completely remembering everything I don't fail.

I go by gut feeling myself too. If you read it out loud, give 1-2 seconds to let your brain recognize the word, and it's there - pass.

Nukemarine Wrote:With Anki, use the Spacebar to answer. If it's new or a re-reviewed missed card, it'll default select hard.

I do this. It's pretty solid advice - the SRS knows a lot better than me, lol.

Nukemarine Wrote:I've starting "missing" the initial review if I did not know the card. When it comes up in 10 minutes it ensures whether I initially learned the card or not.

I don't do this, but I think I will now. Take a bit of time with the card then "bury" it and see if it's learned at a later review time.

eggcluck Wrote:I write only some of the sentences kind of like a random selection.

That's good advice. I only write words that I have decided to learn today down (I use the reschedule function rather than add new cards.)

fleet street Wrote:Just scribble the shape in the palm of your hand using the index finger of your other hand. I've been doing this for a couple of years and it works fine.

furrykef Wrote:Yeah, I agree, ditch the paper trail, this should speed you up.

This is a good point. I do a lot of writing on Lang-8 and I copy the fixed sentences down. Once you start doing something like that you might find that you'll get enough writing practice.

Personally, I've edited my deck preferences, so my spacing is quite short. I then just let the SRS space things out (space bar). I think if you know yourself well and have experimented enough it's doable. The Anki formula is pretty good anyway.

I do about 400 vocab cards+ per day and 200 grammar cards (I'm just getting into grammar, so there's a fair amount of workload involved + some changes I made to my decks.) It takes 1 hour 15 minutes for the vocab on a long day and grammar can take longer depending on what I do with it or what type of card it is (production cards take no time really [verb/adjective/etc. forms], but review cards with sentences take a bit because of the breaking down of the sentence needed - especially if it's new, which I usually mark "veryhighpriority", so it takes awhile.)

Oh, I only learn 20 words a day religiously (I have 4000+ rolling about anyway). It's a low rate of workload, but I've done 100+ words a day and the Anki work just burns me out (small gains seem better for me).

If you think about it long term and your reading, watching, whatever a lot then 20 a day = 7300 words/365 days, which for me means 11,300 or N1 vocab by Dec 2012 (enough for a lot of things, but nowhere near 40,000+ a native might passively know). This works for me and I don't mind spending 2 years more on vocabulary (35,000+ words) as I'll probably pick up another 5,000-10,000 a year when I am N2+ from context, which speeds up the process. I'm also comfortable with the fact that it can take 2-3 years to get good at Japanese - language learning is a big investment.

Also, I've found with the look up technique I'm using right now. The words are learned enough before I even add them in to Anki that I can virtually add them as semi-learned words

I mentioned it here:
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=6616
-3 exposures and it get's added as a rescheduled card to my deck (a free word just because I'm using my dictionary - happy days!)