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#26
Yonosa Wrote:
bodhisamaya Wrote:If you are looking for something serious, you will never learn Japanese. Only those who are looking to have fun will succeed.
My my.... It just so happens that I find intellectually stimulating content entertaining and enjoyable... perhaps this is unthinkable to you or something that you would post such a response. But do not think I am going out looking for things I do not enjoy, the whole post is about how I do not enjoy most of the media because it is shallow in my opinion, and looking for alternatives that may be more to my tastes. I can already read most of the newspaper, save some trouble when reading about Government(which is ok since that is the most shallow corrupt mainstream perspective and falsifies what's going on, but I will still work to understand that completely, just a matter of a few thousand more vocabulary to push myself to 99% or so in that area.) So don't spout your ideas about fun and assume what is fun for you might be fun for everyone, in my case, quite the contrary.


In the drama Galileo do they really stick to the science? I have never found that they really care much about the science used, it's more about the "cool" factor than anything I have found.
If TV is too shallow for you, why not just read books?
The book is almost always better than the movie/tv show.

TV is made for mass-market appeal and produced by people
looking to make money off the latest sensation. They're not
always looking to keep faithful to the source material or verify
that their theories are scientifically sound.

Instead, you should go to the original source and read the books
they were based on.

Even if the Galileo TV show has too much cool factor for you, the
novel might be completely different. Often characters (even entire
story arcs) are missing and genders are changed in the TV show.

The original novels were written by Higashino Keigo(東野圭吾). The TV show was based
on 探偵ガリレオ and 予知夢. I've seen a few japanese people reading his books
on the subway. He also wrote Yōgisha X no Kenshin (容疑者Xの献身), a
spinoff of Galileo that won many literary awards (and was turned into a movie
that many people raved about).

Fumo Chitai and Karei Naru Ichizoku, both very deep dramas (and
2 of my all time favorites), are based on original novels written by
Yamazaki Toyoko (山崎豊子). Just from those 2 dramas alone, I can
tell you that his stories are very deep, complicated and gripping.

Any good author is Yasutaka Tsutsui (筒井 康隆). He's a scifi
author and wrote "Nanase Futatabi" in addition to dozens of
other books and short stories. Nanase Futatabi was made
into a drama 4 times. That must be some kind of record.
Edited: 2010-09-20, 9:48 pm
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#27
caivano Wrote:http://www.thegreathappinessspace.com/

is a really good documentary about hosts in Osaka. It's pretty depressing tho.
Ooh, there's one that I forgot about. Pretty good.
Kinda wanted to become a host for a short period of time, if for nothing else, then for making a bunch of money while having fun.

But then they had to go and show how depressing it actually is Sad

edit: and by this i mean i'm also recommending it
Edited: 2010-09-20, 10:17 pm
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#28
chamcham Wrote:
Yonosa Wrote:In the drama Galileo do they really stick to the science? I have never found that they really care much about the science used, it's more about the "cool" factor than anything I have found.
The original novels were written by Higashino Keigo(東野圭吾). The TV show was based
on 探偵ガリレオ and 予知夢. I've seen a few japanese people reading his books
on the subway. He also wrote Yōgisha X no Kenshin (容疑者Xの献身), a
spinoff of Galileo that won many literary awards (and was turned into a movie
that many people raved about).
The experiment to test a theory is a major part of every episode. It's "cool" science though (the flashy kind with explosions), intended to better explain it to the actual detective. Whether the science is completely true, I wouldn't know.

I swear I'm going to read those books someday.
Edited: 2010-09-21, 7:44 am
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love this song so, it's so funky

i just can' find dl links for his stuff whatsover... and this almost never happens to me but i'll enjoy whatevre's on youtube for now.
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#30
What about Japanese cinema?
Almost anything by these guyes is either good or very good.

黒澤 明 or 黒沢 明 Kurosawa Akira
成瀬 巳喜男 Naruse Mikio
小津 安二郎 Ozu Yasujirō
溝口 健二 Mizoguchi Kenji
清水 宏 Shimizu Hiroshi
木下 恵介 Kinoshita Keisuke
稲垣 浩 Inagaki Hiroshi
鈴木 清順 Suzuki Seijun
大島 渚 Ōshima Nagisa
新藤 兼人 Shindō Kaneto
今村 昌平 Imamura Shōhei
山田 洋次 Yamada Yōji
若松孝二 Wakamatsu Kōji
伊丹 十三 Itami Jūzō
北野 武 Kitano Takeshi
是枝 裕和 Koreeda Hirokazu
三池 崇史 Miike Takashi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_cinema
http://www.asiatorrents.com/index.php?pa...0&active=1
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#31
buonaparte Wrote:What about Japanese cinema?
Almost anything by these guyes is either good or very good.

黒澤 明 or 黒沢 明 Kurosawa Akira
成瀬 巳喜男 Naruse Mikio
小津 安二郎 Ozu Yasujirō
溝口 健二 Mizoguchi Kenji
清水 宏 Shimizu Hiroshi
木下 恵介 Kinoshita Keisuke
稲垣 浩 Inagaki Hiroshi
鈴木 清順 Suzuki Seijun
大島 渚 Ōshima Nagisa
新藤 兼人 Shindō Kaneto
今村 昌平 Imamura Shōhei
山田 洋次 Yamada Yōji
若松孝二 Wakamatsu Kōji
伊丹 十三 Itami Jūzō
北野 武 Kitano Takeshi
是枝 裕和 Koreeda Hirokazu
三池 崇史 Miike Takashi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_cinema
http://www.asiatorrents.com/index.php?pa...0&active=1
Very nice, thanks for the list! 黒澤 (くろさわ) is awesome and a very well known pioneer in the cinematic world (see f.i. 七人の侍 [しちにんのさむらい]).
I saw an (in)famous movie of Miike's: Ichi the Killer - 殺し屋1.... that was by far the most revolting, disturbing movie I've ever seen. Yet I can't regret having seen it, somehow. I am glad I saw it in a theatre, or probably I would not have endured it. A warning is in place: this is not for the weak at heart or stomach.
Edited: 2010-12-03, 3:18 pm
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#32
As to documentaries, this one is absolutely stunning:
ゆきゆきて、神軍 The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On (1987) Kazuo Hara
http://www.foriegnmoviesddl.com/2010/11/...-1987.html

It would be interesting to watch 野火 Nobi (English: Fires on the Plain) by 市川 崑 Ichikawa Kon after the above documentary.

If you want something about 'normal' people, you might watch some movies by
成瀬 巳喜男 Naruse Mikio, 小津 安二郎 Ozu Yasujirō, and 清水 宏 Shimizu Hiroshi. They are all old, but very good.
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#33
I don't really watch TV at all, and I end up giving up on most J-dramas after a couple of episodes, but I find 古畑任三郎 very watchable. I guess it comes under the fake cop drama category, and tends to be unrealistic, but 田村正和's unintentionally hilarious acting style is what makes it, despite it not actually being a comedy. I think pretty much all Japanese know him and the show, and can probably do a 古畑 impersonation, so it's worth watching at least one episode for the reference. You can find all the episodes easily on Tudou.

I think someone mentioned modern warfare somewhere. Has there ever been a film/drama/anime/documentary about WW2? I get the impression that a lot of Japanese history likes to start from the aftermath of the atomic bombs.
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#34
@Javizy
Hmm, the only thing I can think of when it comes to WWII anime is the "childrens' everyday life during WWII" type of movie like Ushiro no Shoumen Dare and Hotaru no Haka. Burma no Tategoto is supposed to be good, but I haven't watched it yet.
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#35
raeesmerelda Wrote:
chamcham Wrote:
Yonosa Wrote:In the drama Galileo do they really stick to the science? I have never found that they really care much about the science used, it's more about the "cool" factor than anything I have found.
The original novels were written by Higashino Keigo(東野圭吾). The TV show was based
on 探偵ガリレオ and 予知夢. I've seen a few japanese people reading his books
on the subway. He also wrote Yōgisha X no Kenshin (容疑者Xの献身), a
spinoff of Galileo that won many literary awards (and was turned into a movie
that many people raved about).
The experiment to test a theory is a major part of every episode. It's "cool" science though (the flashy kind with explosions), intended to better explain it to the actual detective. Whether the science is completely true, I wouldn't know.

I swear I'm going to read those books someday.
I just watched the first episode. In it there is quite a bit of good information, some technical detail about lasers and he also mentions dialectric heating (although this bit is badly translated in the subs I saw). There was also some made up stuff about spontaneous human combustion - he names some theories which don't exist as far as I know - but he also gave correct historical detail about supposed SHC cases.

You might as well try it Yonosa, it's not boring.
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#36
Bokusenou Wrote:@Javizy
Hmm, the only thing I can think of when it comes to WWII anime is the "childrens' everyday life during WWII" type of movie like Ushiro no Shoumen Dare and Hotaru no Haka. Burma no Tategoto is supposed to be good, but I haven't watched it yet.
Thanks for the suggestions. I found 火垂るの墓 on Veoh (anyone who's interested search Grave of the Fireflies).
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#37
I totally understand the desire for serious Japanese dramas. Most Japanese shows have too much silly comedy - sometimes you just want something real. I enjoyed "Zeni Geba" and "Monster" (anime/manga). Zeni Geba may seem unrealistic at times, but it tends to surprise you in the end. It is an indepth character study.
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#38
火垂るの墓は悲しかった、クッ... I came across a live action version too. I'm not sure what it's like, but that site is pretty good.
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#39
Continuing with the WWII theme, I ordered Letters from Iwo Jima. I'm not sure how good it is, but it was nominated for/won some awards, it's all in Japanese, and features Ken-chan.
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#40
Yeah, I agree most J TV isn't worth watching, but they have great cinema. Especially in Tokyo there are countless little cinemas showing great films. Anyway, I have a recommendation, have you seen 'kanzo sensei'? Its about a doctor in ww2. I guess its a comedy, but its very good. For some reason, they renamed it Dr. Akagi for the west http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0155796/
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#41
Here's a few recommendations from someone kinda in the same boat as you Yonosa:

TV
Bokura no Yuuki
Jin
Most taiga dramas
Gokusen (1st season is ok)
Debsha otoko (not the sucky movie) I was hooked on this
Q10
Clone Baby
Freeter ie wo kau (listen out for new casual ways of saying things)
Hana yori dango (I avoided watching this for so long because this isn't the kinda stuff I go for but I really enjoyed it)
Samurai high school (You get to compare samurai speech and behaviour with the modern day equivalent)
Liar game
Kurosagi
Bloody monday (not overly realistic but it's worth a shot)
sexy voice and robo
Drifting net cafe
Long Love Letter
Twin Spica
Nanase Once More
Trick (this is awesome)
Can't think of any any more off the top of my head

Movies
Battle Royale
Azumi
Crows zero
Anything with this guy in Tadanobu Asano
Anything by or with him in Takeshi kitano
swing girls
Rakugo Musume
linda linda
Anything with this guy in or by directed by him Shinya Tsukamoto
Plus loads more

I hardly watch anime so I cant really recommend much more than Akira and Ghost in The Shell.

You've just gotta look harder. Search around on dramacrazy or asianmediawiki etc
Edited: 2011-01-06, 12:57 pm
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#42
If you like elaborate fantasy and don't mind visual novels, you might enjoy Fate/Stay Night. Despite being fairly long and complex, it manages to be quite well paced and internally consistent.
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#43
I have a question:
Does anyone know about any movies about burakumin 部落民?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burakumin
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#44
十二国記

Books or anime. Anime is excellent but didn't properly finish.
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#45
Javizy Wrote:火垂るの墓は悲しかった、クッ... I came across a live action version too. I'm not sure what it's like, but that site is pretty good.
This is the 2008 movie. I recommend you to watch the 2005 version produced by NTV in commemoration of the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II.

Unlike the animated version, it tells the story from a different point of view. Highly recommended. (BTW, it was the first Japanese movie I watched. That was 5 years ago, in June 2006).

The English subtitle.
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#46
buonaparte Wrote:I have a question:
Does anyone know about any movies about burakumin 部落民?
High and Low

Departure
Edited: 2011-01-10, 11:28 pm
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#47
ahibba,
the movies you mention are very good, but... they are not about burakumin. They only slightly and very indirectly touch the taboo. I meant something more direct and explicit. Never seen anything.
The prejudice against burakumin is still alive, anyone familiar with 'four-finger' gesture will know.
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#48
Discovery Atlas - Japan Revealed (2008)
http://avaxhome.ws/video/quality/hidef_h...ealed.html
http://docuwiki.net/index.php?title=Japan_Revealed

Quote:
Japan Revealed focuses on the unique balance in Japan between the seasons and life, and keeping old traditions alive in a modern world. The episode follows the lives of a geisha in training, a tuna fisherman, a group of Ama divers, two trend setting schoolgirls, a family competing in robotics fighting, and a tattoo artist.



It's in English. Nothing serious, superficial. Shouldn't have posted it. Sorry.
Edited: 2011-01-23, 5:59 am
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#49
KanjiDevourer Wrote:Very nice, thanks for the list! 黒澤 (くろさわ) is awesome and a very well known pioneer in the cinematic world (see f.i. 七人の侍 [しちにんのさむらい]).
I saw an (in)famous movie of Miike's: Ichi the Killer - 殺し屋1.... that was by far the most revolting, disturbing movie I've ever seen. Yet I can't regret having seen it, somehow. I am glad I saw it in a theatre, or probably I would not have endured it. A warning is in place: this is not for the weak at heart or stomach.
Miike has family-friendly films that are very good too (possibly his best): Happiness of the Katakuris, and The Bird People of China.

I can't wait for his new 13 Assassins, it looks like it will be great.

Side note, if you've seen his Visitor Q (far more revolting than Ichi the Killer even), I urge you to watch Pasolini's masterpiece, Teorema, which explores similar themes but is a far better film (and really one of the best films ever made). I'm pretty sure Visitor Q was based on it.
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