Anyone have a good image or name for the "Ten Fields" primitive that shows up in 恵; 敷; 専; etc. The reason is it's written as "one, sun, stick" as opposed to "Ten, field". For some reason, "Galaxy" comes to mind as it can be seen as "Ten, Sun" where the sun is drawn in the between the two strokes for ten.

You could use holy water flask:


All you need to do is picture a second cross on the frontside of the bottle and you're all set.

Maybe a different religious relic. According to Henshall frame 914, this used to represent a child's weighted spinning toy. So I'd call it a dreidel.

Except with a cross on top, so a dreidel used by Jews for Jesus?

[Katsuo]

Combining those elements is going to ruin your "Oz" story for 恵.

Etymologically that combined element seems to relate to spools and spinning, which is unhelpful for RTK users as those images are employed elsewhere.

"Chewing gum" perhaps? (I eat one stick a day), but the order is different.

Logically, "ten suns" suggests something like "constellation", but that could be difficult for story building, unless you're into astronomy.

Kanjidamage uses "TNT plunger" (like the ones in Roadrunner/Wile E. Coyote cartoons), which I found to be pretty good.

Blank Wrote:Kanjidamage uses "TNT plunger" (like the ones in Roadrunner/Wile E. Coyote cartoons), which I found to be pretty good.

Well, that seems to me to beat just about everything else in memorability and storytelling, especially for those who are old enough to have watched the cartoons.

Katsuo Wrote:Combining those elements is going to ruin your "Oz" story for 恵.

Etymologically that combined element seems to relate to spools and spinning, which is unhelpful for RTK users as those images are employed elsewhere.

"Chewing gum" perhaps? (I eat one stick a day), but the order is different.

Logically, "ten suns" suggests something like "constellation", but that could be difficult for story building, unless you're into astronomy.

My story can stay, and I've purposely not changed it due to how popular it became. It was later on I realized that doing "One, sun, cane" was the better way. Now, if you know that "Ten fields" or "ten brains" is written a different way then no problem.

Anyway, I think I'll go with Holy hand grenade thanks to that image above by Jimmy seal. Inserting Monty Python makes for very vivid and visual stories.

PS: The only reason I'm bringing this up is I'm starting to teach a kanji class where I work at. Though it appears early on, "ten fields" was never a named primitive by Heisig yet is used often enough to justify a term.

I use the image of "spinning top" for this element.

"Holy hand grenade" Hahaha, that rocks!

Here is my story for FAVOR 恵, which I have selfishly not shared:
A knight, whose lance is represented by the NEEDLE, as he ventures onto the FIELD of combat, has won the HEART of the Princess, and thus she bestows upon him her FAVOR.

I use Heisig's story for 専.

[Katsuo]

Nukemarine Wrote:PS: The only reason I'm bringing this up is I'm starting to teach a kanji class where I work at.

Good luck with the class. Are you teaching them straight RTK1, or some other way like RTK lite/ Alyx's movie method/ etc?

REH94 Wrote:"Holy hand grenade" Hahaha, that rocks!

Wish I thought of that, when I was doing RtK

"alms" -- someone asking for alms. Maybe a homeless person, maybe someone collecting on behalf of a charity organization, whatever works.

I have to say that I have used "ten fields" so far for that primitive. "Favor" for me reminded me of Zelda games, where the player is always doing meandering side quests for a little bit of reward. My story goes "As a favor for the farmer, Link digs up ten rice fields, looking for some useless trinket, only to be rewarded with a piece of heart."

I tend to use stories that are strongly associated with my existing connotations of the English keyword, and "favor" for me instantly made me think of Link doing favors for others, no matter how tedious or time-consuming... so it's easy for me to visualize ten rice fields laid out in front of me, that need to be searched.

I suppose you could also substitute "ice cream cone that fell onto the ground", which broke the kid's heart. So you did him a favor and bought a new one.

...because when the *sun's* hot, you buy *one* ice-cream cone, and *stick* your tongue in. It's more of a pictogram, but just in case.

I always used a mutant with ten brains . For 専 I had a mutant with ten brains glued together excels at everything. And for 恵 I had a mutant with ten brains already asks for a spare heart as a favor. Eh, works for me.

A little uncomfortable of an image, but if you can see a cross burning in a field and imagine the most racist person you can think of (maybe Rush Limbaugh?) laughing at the incident, its a primitive you wouldn't soon forget.