mentat_kgs Wrote:If you don't find these girls at least a little attractive you are not ok.
Two of them have long hair and none of them are fat: Both are very strong health indicators.
They dress nicely, so they are probably also socially healthy.
If you talk with them you'll probably also find something that you like.

What is sick is to be obsessed with an unachievable perfect 10 beauty.

Well, you have to consider the possibility that every one of those girls is wearing a face mask to hide the fact that they don't have lower jaws. There's nothing under them except a row of crooked upper teeth and a horrible distended tongue hanging loosely in the wind. The nice clothes come from the settlements from their malpractice lawsuits, and the lack of fat is because it's so hard for them to eat solid food, which they so dearly wish they could do to take the edge off the crushing depression that consumes their every waking moment.

TheVinster Wrote:Weird enough, I find the Asians that model mostly unattractive. I do like actresses such as 井上真央, though. Also whenever I walk around the Japanese market near my house I prefer the stay-at-home moms doing their shopping. That's probably a weird thing for someone who is just about to be 21. Lol. Anyway what I'm trying to get at is I like almost all those girls, but the reason I hate the girl on the left is her hair. Straight hair is the bomb.

same as age as me man. It's possible to like almost all of those girls, but preferably easy to choose one and stick with that.

Wow. You guys must all be in college or something. Having a family is an entirely different ballgame.

I have a wife and 1, soon to be 2 kids. My son has to go to school, and there is no way I'm sending him to Japanese schools. That's 23k per year plus. Then, my wife is pregnant, and soon will have to cart around two kids wherever we go. Think about just how easy that will be on trains all the time... so we will want a car. Not to mention that riding shinkansen for 4 will be a lot more than a car when we take a vacation.

Add to that the massive amount of laundry we do for a 5-year-old (and a baby), and it seems really hard to sentence my wife to giving up a western washer and dryer. We could probably do without an oven, but if we've decided we need a real washing machine, we basically have to get a place with western appliances anyway.

I thought about living further out, but my son's friends will all be near his school, and she would have to drive in to pick him up every afternoon...

We are also moving from a fair-sized house near DC, and had to throw out or store nearly everything we own just to get down to a 2-bedroom amount of stuff, and even that is really not easy with 2 kids. Yes, they will fit in the place, but when they're screaming and bouncing off the walls your sanity is much much much improved with a bit more space.

So in the end, I got a pretty nice 2 bedroom, but it's pushing 5k/mo, and that's a massive bargain with a parking space included for the size and location...

When you have a family, this stuff gets a lot more complicated.

TheVinster Wrote:Weird enough, I find the Asians that model mostly unattractive. I do like actresses such as 井上真央, though. Also whenever I walk around the Japanese market near my house I prefer the stay-at-home moms doing their shopping. That's probably a weird thing for someone who is just about to be 21. Lol. Anyway what I'm trying to get at is I like almost all those girls, but the reason I hate the girl on the left is her hair. Straight hair is the bomb.

Japanese moms can be really hot sometimes.
Unbelievably hot in some cases.

Don't feel guilty about it.

I actually know a hot single (late 40s) Japanese babe who
broke up some time ago with her 24-year old gaijin (Asian-American)
boyfriend. She always keeps telling me how much she misses him.

Man, that guy must've taught her a lesson in bed.

A hot older japanese woman with no kids and no interest in marriage
is really rare. Sometimes I envy that guy..... :-p

@Mcjon101
Well, that's the problem with online dating! You can never be sure.

torokun Wrote:Wow. You guys must all be in college or something. Having a family is an entirely different ballgame.

I have a wife and 1, soon to be 2 kids. My son has to go to school, and there is no way I'm sending him to Japanese schools. That's 23k per year plus. Then, my wife is pregnant, and soon will have to cart around two kids wherever we go. Think about just how easy that will be on trains all the time... so we will want a car. Not to mention that riding shinkansen for 4 will be a lot more than a car when we take a vacation.

Add to that the massive amount of laundry we do for a 5-year-old (and a baby), and it seems really hard to sentence my wife to giving up a western washer and dryer. We could probably do without an oven, but if we've decided we need a real washing machine, we basically have to get a place with western appliances anyway.

I thought about living further out, but my son's friends will all be near his school, and she would have to drive in to pick him up every afternoon...

We are also moving from a fair-sized house near DC, and had to throw out or store nearly everything we own just to get down to a 2-bedroom amount of stuff, and even that is really not easy with 2 kids. Yes, they will fit in the place, but when they're screaming and bouncing off the walls your sanity is much much much improved with a bit more space.

So in the end, I got a pretty nice 2 bedroom, but it's pushing 5k/mo, and that's a massive bargain with a parking space included for the size and location...

When you have a family, this stuff gets a lot more complicated.

Well I guess the word "Expats" is the key here. Japanese expats who go to NY don't demand a 2 bedroom apartment in Manhattan furnished all Japanese style with ウォッシュレット, Japanese style bath, proper 玄関 and a parking space, and eating only high quality Japanese meals for lunch. I bet that would be outrageously expensive too.

masaman Wrote:Well I guess the word "Expats" is the key here. Japanese expats who go to NY don't demand a 2 bedroom apartment in Manhattan furnished all Japanese style with ウォッシュレット, Japanese style bath, proper 玄関 and a parking space, and eating only high quality Japanese meals for lunch. I bet that would be outrageously expensive too.

I care about is the washing machine, because Japanese ones suck and it would take my wife probably 5 times longer to do our laundry with a Japanese washer. Japanese expats don't have a problem because our appliances are better...

It's also nice to actually be able to make Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner (oven) when that's your culture. When you are a student going to Japan, it's fine to immerse yourself and ignore those things. When you have kids, you want them to learn something of your culture -- at least the few things you feel are important. It is a balancing act...

BTW, I, my wife, and my son all speak fluent Japanese, and I lived there as a kid, so don't think I'm ignorant... I just have to find a way to maintain both cultures in our home in the most practical way while living there.

torokun Wrote:I care about is the washing machine, because Japanese ones suck and it would take my wife probably 5 times longer to do our laundry with a Japanese washer. Japanese expats don't have a problem because our appliances are better...

I find American ones more powerful for sure, but Japanese ones are more delicate and don't damage clothes as much. I don't wear fancy and most of my clothes are like jeans and T shirts so I like American ones better, but they'll make my sister go crazy for sure. They are also super noisy. Aren't many people in the states using Korean washing machines these days anyway?

torokun Wrote:It's also nice to actually be able to make Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner (oven) when that's your culture.

Yea, who doesn't like having a turkey and casserole eh? I'm just saying creating small America in Tokyo costs, a lot. Creating little Japan in Manhattan probably costs a lot too, but most Japanese expats are not as fortunate as you are, so I don't think the comparison in the OP is apple to apple.

masaman Wrote:I find American ones more powerful for sure, but Japanese ones are more delicate and don't damage clothes as much. I don't wear fancy and most of my clothes are like jeans and T shirts so I like American ones better, but they'll make my sister go crazy for sure. They are also super noisy. Aren't many people in the states using Korean washing machines these days anyway?

Heh. Yes, I am definitely thinking of it from the perspective of massive loads of kids clothes and stuff like that. Also, the hanging out is a lot more work to do not having a dryer... I think the import models are designed for western markets, so they are more powerful than the ones they sell in Korea or Japan...

One makes do with what one has, and I would probably still consider going even if I couldn't afford such a place... My main point was just that with kids/family it's a different calculus than for the ascetic Japanese student.

torokun Wrote:

masaman Wrote:I find American ones more powerful for sure, but Japanese ones are more delicate and don't damage clothes as much. I don't wear fancy and most of my clothes are like jeans and T shirts so I like American ones better, but they'll make my sister go crazy for sure. They are also super noisy. Aren't many people in the states using Korean washing machines these days anyway?

Heh. Yes, I am definitely thinking of it from the perspective of massive loads of kids clothes and stuff like that. Also, the hanging out is a lot more work to do not having a dryer... I think the import models are designed for western markets, so they are more powerful than the ones they sell in Korea or Japan...

One makes do with what one has, and I would probably still consider going even if I couldn't afford such a place... My main point was just that with kids/family it's a different calculus than for the ascetic Japanese student.

Kids sure make everything different. I don't think everybody here is student though. My friend who used to work in Tokyo lived there pretty cheap, because he was adopted to Japanese culture and had a Japanese wife. But yea, if you are moving there with your whole family from the states that's probably a different story. Hope you have a good stay there.

IceCream Wrote:wow... don't any of you guys go for personality??

hahah just kiddin

magamo Wrote:Or you can wait a bit and pick a hybrid if that's your cup of tea.

^^ yeah man! any kind of hybrid is my type... don't think i've ever dated a totally white guy.
but 2nd to that is Japanese guys (they top other asian guys because of the accent + voice timbre [thanks Kazelee]) followed by black guys + other asian guys + some other guys etc.

and bodhi: we do talk about this type of thing. just with other girls

well, i hope white girls aren't a total write off to Japanese guys, if i'm gonna be there for a few years. Then again, i wouldn't wanna date anyone off gaijinpot either, so i don't blame them...

Nah IceCream. In fact, right now I'm chatting with my Japanese friend. He's going to stay at my house for a month starting July 14th. Anyway this is a line he just said...

"As long as I don't have an American girfriend, I am not happy man."

So there you go. He loves his American girls, I love Japanese girls, and these grapes are delicious.

I am surprised at how this thread erupted into Asian girls vs. other girls, especially given that the source material is a low res, blurry picture of Japanese girls (and one guy!) with masks on.


I am a natural hybrid.
I am Filipino. =)

IceCream Wrote:wow... don't any of you guys go for personality??

hahah just kiddin .

Do you realize how hard it is to find a girl thats "normal"? I've met 3-4 throughout my lifetime and in 3 of those cases the girl was already "taken". If you factor in that at a certain age you also start looking for additional "qualities" that would be desirable in a longer term, it makes such task look like mission impossible and Tom Cruise is not in it

I say f*(4 personality, hook up with a bimbo that doesn't make you want to kill her after 20 minutes of being in her company and live a happy life. Ignorance is bliss.

[edit: to Torokun]Family definitely affects your choices. You'd go mad in a tiny place! Still, depending on the package, some families find they live better as expats in Japan because their are perks like housing, car, American Club and private international school all paid for. That's in addition to a substantial lary top up.

Since you speak Japanese, you can select housing outside the typical expat selection too. I was able to get much more interesting and less expensive stuff by living in places intended for Japanese residents. For example, I found a beautiful modern design (the crazy architect lived in the back) 2-unit building in the center of a posh neighbourhood for less than the cost of a 2LDK apartment in a huge expat building. Great energy efficient european appliances, nice kitchen, Japanese bath and shower room, large deck, garage, no shared corridors, privacy.

Little things that can add up for some expat folks are grocery shopping at Kinokuniya or National Azabu for all imported products and frequenting expat places. You and your wife fortunately won't be limited to that kind of "non-adjustment".

I've lived in a range of stuff - starting from a $600 1K in the burbs with squat toilet and no shower/bath. By spending time looking and getting a bit savvy with agents and locations, people can find whatever they want. It often makes good economic sense to get a scooter and live a distance from a station, for eg.

I still think the expat stuff can be a bit of the game though. Some singles live on COLA and save their salaries, share an apartment and bank $5000 a month, or exchange business class for economy class and bank $2000. One can argue it's their choice, but I think it demonstrates a problem in establishing what it 'necessary' and cost controls at certain companies.

Good luck getting settled into your new place!

@chamcham - provocative can be fun, but unnecessarily crass is less interesting. We already suspect you're a stud, so try to keep it respectful here, if you don't mind?

chamcham Wrote:Man, that guy must've...

Whilst I personally have no problem with this kind of language in person, as soon as I read I thought it would offend others here, particularly women. Perhaps an edit might be wise?

edit: I see Thora already got there.

IceCream Wrote:

thurd Wrote:

IceCream Wrote:wow... don't any of you guys go for personality??

hahah just kiddin .

Do you realize how hard it is to find a girl thats "normal"? I've met 3-4 throughout my lifetime and in 3 of those cases the girl was already "taken". If you factor in that at a certain age you also start looking for additional "qualities" that would be desirable in a longer term, it makes such task look like mission impossible and Tom Cruise is not in it

I say f*(4 personality, hook up with a bimbo that doesn't make you want to kill her after 20 minutes of being in her company and live a happy life. Ignorance is bliss.

what kind of "normal" is this if you've only ever met 4 of them??

hahah i could definately say the same thing about guys though. weird, emotionless creatures who can never figure out the very obvious things about girls
(Chamcham is a prime example... do you find girls go for that?? ;p)

@kainzero: じゃ、会いましょう　；）

TheVinster Wrote:Nah IceCream. In fact, right now I'm chatting with my Japanese friend. He's going to stay at my house for a month starting July 14th. Anyway this is a line he just said...

"As long as I don't have an American girfriend, I am not happy man."

So there you go. He loves his American girls, I love Japanese girls, and these grapes are delicious.

yesssss lol.
no, wait, does british count? i also have thoroughly british teeth. T_T

From my experience with girls, it's hard to figure what they think of you. Although after a while you should be able to tell i think. i agree that guys don't really show that much emotion, it's just kinda written into our genes or something.... lol jking.
Almost all the people I know when there in a relationship with girls, they have trouble saying the "I love you" phrase. I believe it's just how guys act, when I talk to my friends they way we talk is fine but it's never gets to those topics(this depends on which type of friends, some of them are immature even though being just 1 year younger than me, 20). Just a year ago, I had this one girl in my class admit she likes me a lot, at first I found it strange b/c I didn't even do anything out of my way to get her to notice me. After a while I found out it was just the general way I was, acting mature for my age, helping people out and her out. Always talking to her when she needs help/asks. But for me this is just common routine to act that way. Anyhow enough of my rambling on this forum, time to get back to my srs vocab reps!

While we're off-topic... if someone knows how to finance a study abroad as well as a fair amount of knowledge on Japanese universities taught in English let me know. Yup. I'll give you my Skype, my MSN, and my social security number! Okay everything except the latter.

IceCream Wrote:what kind of "normal" is this if you've only ever met 4 of them??

hahah i could definately say the same thing about guys though. weird, emotionless creatures who can never figure out the very obvious things about girls
(Chamcham is a prime example... do you find girls go for that?? ;p)

So you're asking the question and yet you already know the answer. Guess that proves it then, there are women on the Internets

thurd Wrote:

IceCream Wrote:what kind of "normal" is this if you've only ever met 4 of them??

hahah i could definately say the same thing about guys though. weird, emotionless creatures who can never figure out the very obvious things about girls
(Chamcham is a prime example... do you find girls go for that?? ;p)

So you're asking the question and yet you already know the answer. Guess that proves it then, there are women on the Internets

*gives thurd a high five* ;-)

IceCream Wrote:@kainzero: じゃ、会いましょう　；）

I, uh, don't think you got the joke...

But okay!

Anyway, for some reason, people always think I'm a mix of different Asians. And every time I go to an Asian ethnic market they always speak to me in whatever language they speak there. I got Cantonese at Ranch 99, Japanese at Mitsuwa/Marukai, even Korean at Zion.

One time the cashier at Target spoke to me in Tagalog.

Why can't people just speak English to me?!

Even when I went to Japan I felt like I had to try and look as foreign as possible just so people would not assault me in rapid-fire Japanese. It failed. Even the bums begged me for money in Japanese.

IceCream Wrote:but i'm heading out to japan tonight so probably won't have time to reply til late July!!

JAPANJPANJAPANAJAPANAPJANAPAJANJAPAN

yeahhhhhh

i'm quite excited

I envy you so much it would require a new language to define. Not only the whole "heading out to japan" thing but rather being in a moment in your life that allows it and being smart & persistent enough to take such opportunity when you have the chance. I definitely wasn't those two things at your age.

Once you get there and like it, do everything to stay as long as possible.

IceCream Wrote:@thurd, chamcham rrrrrr

IceCream Wrote:but i'm heading out to japan tonight so probably won't have time to reply til late July!!

JAPANJPANJAPANAJAPANAPJANAPAJANJAPAN

yeahhhhhh

i'm quite excited
rrr

Awesome, congrats Ice-Cream. Looking forward to a day when I can say the same.

IceCream Wrote:but 2nd to that is Japanese guys (they top other asian guys because of the accent + voice timbre [thanks Kazelee]) followed by black guys + other asian guys + some other guys etc.

It was my pleasure. /slow deep black... I mean... Japanese voice

On an unrelated note... or perhaps slightly...

Blahah Wrote:

IceCream Wrote:but i'm heading out to japan tonight so probably won't have time to reply til late July!!

JAPANJPANJAPANAJAPANAPJANAPAJANJAPAN

yeahhhhhh

i'm quite excited
rrr

Awesome, congrats Ice-Cream. Looking forward to a day when I can say the same.

same, when that happens(maybe in a full year and half from now.) i'll be saying stuff like:

JAPANJPANJAPANAJAPANAPJANAPAJANJAPAN

@Thora

Yep, there are interesting options. It is tough to get the lay of the land from afar though -- even though I speak Japanese, I haven't been back since 2000, and haven't lived there permanently since 1989... Things have changed so much. Actually, just having the internet and computer IMEs completely changes things for most expats, I should think.

Maybe I will be able to find a sweet deal on a house after a year or two. アパートでgrill 出来ないってのは...ちょ～悔しい。 But at least I have lots of Japanese food to compensate.

Expat packages have been cut substantially, and companies are looking to cut more. More significantly, _expats_ have been cut substantially. Luckily, that seems to mean lower real estate prices and more business opportunities for those who are in a smaller community. Our apartment would have been probably at least 150 thou more per month a few years ago.

I am mulling whether it's worth it to get a TAC membership after they finish construction. I'm not getting one at the outset...