jettyke Wrote:It's a pretty old thread, but do you mind if I ask how you can do 1700 reps in 40 minutes?

Or is the anki clock lying?

The amount of reps I do daily sometimes reaches 4000. But actually,really recently(just 2 days ago). I deleted/re-adjusted my srs pace. Nowadays I only average around 1000-2000. I thought to myself: "It's time to delete some of these cards". I specifically deleted kanji(names) from my sentence deck. As it wasn't really helpful. I basically just add them as I go by now.

As to how I do it. It's quick/I don't write them down. I just read them/understand them. This picked up pace as I got better in japanese. In the beginning I was decoding almost everything. Which basically slowed me down. It took sometime, but eventually I naturally picked up the pace/speed of how I use the srs(anki for my choice)

julianjalapeno Wrote:Judging by his posts (in this older thread and even in recent ones), I think ta is perhaps a little over-eager to excel and while it's great to be motivated, it's also good to be realistic and recognize ones limitations. Saying "I can understand 90% of everything I read/hear on TV/news/books with ease" then saying "I'm by no means fluent" comes off as false modesty. (It honestly reminds me of this one time a buddy and I indulged in a particular herb and watched Japanese broadcast TV I had taped. He claimed with complete certainty that he could suddenly understand everything they were saying! When I asked him what they were saying he paused and admitted..."I dunno.") Also saying he's only been studying for 19 months but actually studied for a year before that but it doesn't count because he wasn't really trying shows to me that he really wants to be special with this hobby and maybe is used to being the smartest guy in the room and needs that validation.

You can't be fluent after a year of study, no matter how immersed you are. It's a slight to other students that are struggling with the language for years as well as to native speakers who go through many years of schooling in addition to being raised with it. You can make a lot of progress in a short time but not to that degree.

I think there's an inherent insecurity and competition that goes along with this hobby (or whatever you want to call it) which is why some people here have reacted negatively to his posts as well as to why he feels compelled to claim his skills are as good as they are.

Nice post. As for the "90%" thing. It's only for certain things. I took me a long time to figure this out but have you noticed how there are two ways of "understanding" a language. An example is one in japanese and another in english. I'm sure a lot of people have noticed that, one may be able to understand it in japanese perfectly fine and yet still have difficulty to translate it into english.

As for me being fluent. This really comes down to what I define as fluent. I'm trying to compare myself to a native as well as do my own thing. My goal for reading/writing is 4000+ kanji. Yea I know this is a huge number but I know this will take me a few years to get to this(I'm only at 2500 at the moment). Then there is listening/speaking. I want to gain the ability to speak just as well as a native. The reason why I keep saying I'm not fluent is.....

Because I'm not. Just because I can understand/read doesn't mean I'm close to being fluent. Sure I've gotten far but near native-level japanese? Not close one bit.

I believe it will take me 3-5 years to get to a level of which I can call myself, completely fluent

I was thinking of starting another new thread. Since I'm at 15 months(Usual give a 5 month difference for every report)-It's to notice huge improvements from last time. But I'm not too sure that would be a good idea lol.

Nuriko Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:-Speak with a flow/small or no mistakes in it. 90% of the time.

Wow! Would you say speaking is one of your stronger points? As it's my weakest point and it's hard to imagine even attaining this kind of success, I can't help but be very impressed.

He was referring to:

'I'll believe I'm fluent when I can.....
-Speak with a flow/small or no mistakes in it. 90% of the time.

This thread has a life of it's own...

caivano Wrote:

Nuriko Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:-Speak with a flow/small or no mistakes in it. 90% of the time.

Wow! Would you say speaking is one of your stronger points? As it's my weakest point and it's hard to imagine even attaining this kind of success, I can't help but be very impressed.

He was referring to:

'I'll believe I'm fluent when I can.....
-Speak with a flow/small or no mistakes in it. 90% of the time.

This thread has a life of it's own...

lol

ta12121 Wrote:

jettyke Wrote:It's a pretty old thread, but do you mind if I ask how you can do 1700 reps in 40 minutes?

Or is the anki clock lying?

The amount of reps I do daily sometimes reaches 4000. But actually,really recently(just 2 days ago). I deleted/re-adjusted my srs pace. Nowadays I only average around 1000-2000. I thought to myself: "It's time to delete some of these cards". I specifically deleted kanji(names) from my sentence deck. As it wasn't really helpful. I basically just add them as I go by now.

As to how I do it. It's quick/I don't write them down. I just read them/understand them. This picked up pace as I got better in japanese. In the beginning I was decoding almost everything. Which basically slowed me down. It took sometime, but eventually I naturally picked up the pace/speed of how I use the srs(anki for my choice)

But really, this numbers a lot, even if I don't write down :o!

Do you have some kind of a way of thinking that the faster, the better?
Usually what makes me faster is caffeine , and then it makes me drowsy and slows me down. I just can' t get it, how you can do this, I make more like 100 vocabulary reps per hour:S. It makes me think you must have some kind of a secret lol xD
ere
Especially long is recalling. I'm like 15 seconds figuring out which kanji were there, besides everything else.

jettyke Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:

jettyke Wrote:It's a pretty old thread, but do you mind if I ask how you can do 1700 reps in 40 minutes?

Or is the anki clock lying?

The amount of reps I do daily sometimes reaches 4000. But actually,really recently(just 2 days ago). I deleted/re-adjusted my srs pace. Nowadays I only average around 1000-2000. I thought to myself: "It's time to delete some of these cards". I specifically deleted kanji(names) from my sentence deck. As it wasn't really helpful. I basically just add them as I go by now.

As to how I do it. It's quick/I don't write them down. I just read them/understand them. This picked up pace as I got better in japanese. In the beginning I was decoding almost everything. Which basically slowed me down. It took sometime, but eventually I naturally picked up the pace/speed of how I use the srs(anki for my choice)

But really, this numbers a lot, even if I don't write down :o!

Do you have some kind of a way of thinking that the faster, the better?
Usually what makes me faster is caffeine , and then it makes me drowsy and slows me down. I just can' t get it, how you can do this, I make more like 100 vocabulary reps per hour:S. It makes me think you must have some kind of a secret lol xD
ere
Especially long is recalling. I'm like 15 seconds figuring out which kanji were there, besides everything else.

It wasn't always like this. In the beginning phases of learning japanese. 20 cards was so much to me. I slowly increased the pace, and quite naturally got used to them as the months kept flying by, one after the other. Now I do bursts of srs reps. 200 per each burst.(That's my set limit now). So I do 200 in 5-10mins. I usual read the vocab or sentence and check if my understanding is correct via monolingual or the translation provided in the bottom.

Trust me when I say this, it wasn't always like this lol. I used to do barely anything, it just picked up. Now I'm getting into the phase of srs less and less and reading/immersing in crazy amounts.

Yeah,I guess the speed will improve.
When I started learning kanji, 20 per day was my max, I was exhausted after those.
In the very end I learned 100-140 per day.

jettyke Wrote:Yeah,I guess the speed will improve.
When I started learning kanji, 20 per day was my max, I was exhausted after those.
In the very end I learned 100-140 per day.

the farther you go, the easier it gets. True, especially for japanese. It's always so hard in the beginning. But once your a year into or so. Man will it become easier.
I believe there are only two reasons I will lucky succeed in this. The first is enjoyment and second is: I keep doing this daily.

ta12121 Wrote:I was thinking of starting another new thread. Since I'm at 15 months(Usual give a 5 month difference for every report)-It's to notice huge improvements from last time. But I'm not too sure that would be a good idea lol.

I'd like to see such a thread and I'm sure others would as well.

overture2112 Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:I was thinking of starting another new thread. Since I'm at 15 months(Usual give a 5 month difference for every report)-It's to notice huge improvements from last time. But I'm not too sure that would be a good idea lol.

I'd like to see such a thread and I'm sure others would as well.

No problem. I should have it up on running friday evening(tomorrow). Once I come home from school I'll start on it.

ta12121 Wrote:Doing JLPT level 2 right now.
Section
2006年度2級
文字・語彙
Will post results soon for this section

Results are 51/65. For this section.

Damn I don't understand how you can have like 15k+ mature sentences, and 12k vocab in your vocab deck, and not get maximum points. 2kyuu tests 6k words right, you had almost 3 times more mature words than that.

Might it be because of lack of reading and reinforcement of that vocab?

I don't think 2kyuu tests only 6k words.... there's probably a long tail of other words it uses.

jettyke Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:Doing JLPT level 2 right now.
Section
2006年度2級
文字・語彙
Will post results soon for this section

Results are 51/65. For this section.

Damn I don't understand how you can have like 15k+ mature sentences, and 12k vocab in your vocab deck, and not get maximum points. 2kyuu tests 6k words right, you had almost 3 times more mature words than that.

Might it be because of lack of reading and reinforcement of that vocab?

hmm, at that time I think I was only focusing on srsing heavily. Nowadays, I'm more about maintaining a certain pace of adding cards/maintaining my reviews as well.

dizmox Wrote:I don't think 2kyuu tests only 6k words.... there's probably a long tail of other words it uses.

I think it is 6000, might be wrong on it. But I know 1kyuu tests for 10,000. In preparation for 1kyuu. I'm planning on taking all the practice tests online for practice+review grammar

jettyke Wrote:Damn I don't understand how you can have like 15k+ mature sentences, and 12k vocab in your vocab deck, and not get maximum points. 2kyuu tests 6k words right, you had almost 3 times more mature words than that.

Might it be because of lack of reading and reinforcement of that vocab?

In a more recent progress thread, someone questioned ta12121's card-stats, and it was revealed he never fails cards; his SRS is used more for exposure. Therefore "mature" cards don't necessarily meant fully learnt.

uhh just have fun.
why waste time with jlpt crap (unless you need to take this test cause you want to get a job)
it's so boring.

howtwosavealif3 Wrote:uhh just have fun.
why waste time with jlpt crap (unless you need to take this test cause you want to get a job)
it's so boring.

Passing JLPT opens a whole lot of new opportunities, from studying in Japanese in a Japanese university to getting a job.

It's benefitial and that's why I want to take it.

ta12121 Wrote:

dizmox Wrote:I don't think 2kyuu tests only 6k words.... there's probably a long tail of other words it uses.

I think it is 6000, might be wrong on it. But I know 1kyuu tests for 10,000. In preparation for 1kyuu. I'm planning on taking all the practice tests online for practice+review grammar

There are no fixed word lists, the previously published numbers were for the old specification and weren't comprehensive, just guideline figures (they were still allowed to include words off the list).

dizmox Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:

dizmox Wrote:I don't think 2kyuu tests only 6k words.... there's probably a long tail of other words it uses.

I think it is 6000, might be wrong on it. But I know 1kyuu tests for 10,000. In preparation for 1kyuu. I'm planning on taking all the practice tests online for practice+review grammar

There are no fixed word lists, the previously published numbers were for the old specification and weren't comprehensive, just guideline figures (they were still allowed to include words off the list).

yea that's true, when I was taking a simulation test online. They showed a vocab word that, I bet 95% of anyone taking it wouldn't know the word. I only knew it because I seen it in a game lol

jettyke Wrote:

howtwosavealif3 Wrote:uhh just have fun.
why waste time with jlpt crap (unless you need to take this test cause you want to get a job)
it's so boring.

Passing JLPT opens a whole lot of new opportunities, from studying in Japanese in a Japanese university to getting a job.

It's benefitial and that's why I want to take it.

I'm going to take it this December. But my studying won't end there, I'll keep going of course.Keep learning.

aphasiac Wrote:

jettyke Wrote:Damn I don't understand how you can have like 15k+ mature sentences, and 12k vocab in your vocab deck, and not get maximum points. 2kyuu tests 6k words right, you had almost 3 times more mature words than that.

Might it be because of lack of reading and reinforcement of that vocab?

In a more recent progress thread, someone questioned ta12121's card-stats, and it was revealed he never fails cards; his SRS is used more for exposure. Therefore "mature" cards don't necessarily meant fully learnt.

Most of the time for mature cards I don't have trouble. Some I do of course. But I can strongly say, 90%+ of the time I remember all my mature cards, unless it's too much info or too rare that I never see it in real context.

May I ask, percentage wise, how much of your total study time is devoted to Anki? How much of your total immersion time?

Was Anki your main source for vocab building (when your vocab was still in the 1-2k range?) If not, what vocab method building method did you use?

Thanks!

Dragonsheep Wrote:May I ask, percentage wise, how much of your total study time is devoted to Anki? How much of your total immersion time?

Was Anki your main source for vocab building (when your vocab was still in the 1-2k range?) If not, what vocab method building method did you use?

Thanks!

My vocab deck is at 23,000 right. I only add 50 per day, because I don't want to overload myself. I add 30 new vocab cards and 20 new names per day.
My srsing takes 1 hr and 30mins per day. The rest is devoted to listen/copying. I do look at japanese sites,youtube,etc. But definitely feel I should be reading more. One way I've found to read a lot is follow transcripts. That's a fun way/you can check if your reading it right in context.

I'd say my srsing only takes 20-30% of my study time. I listen for the rest. 70-80& is immersion. Sometimes more. I'm always coming back to japanese, so my immersion is always there.

23k vocab? Where do you add from?