ta12121 Wrote:Give me some time, I'll have it done/results up sometime next week.

Partly so you don't feel like you're the only one slaving away over dull JLPT papers, and partly because I wanted to know where I was myself, I had a go at the 2007 JLPT1. (I'd forgotten what a nasty combination of tedium and sustained concentration the listening test was...) Anyway, I got 53% on the vocab paper, 63% on listening and 66% on reading/grammar. Now I can't decide whether I want to try to get that up to a passing score by December

(That's closer to "10-year progress" than "10-month progress", mind you, so not particularly anything amazing :-))

pm215 Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:Give me some time, I'll have it done/results up sometime next week.

Partly so you don't feel like you're the only one slaving away over dull JLPT papers, and partly because I wanted to know where I was myself, I had a go at the 2007 JLPT1. (I'd forgotten what a nasty combination of tedium and sustained concentration the listening test was...) Anyway, I got 53% on the vocab paper, 63% on listening and 66% on reading/grammar. Now I can't decide whether I want to try to get that up to a passing score by December

(That's closer to "10-year progress" than "10-month progress", mind you, so not particularly anything amazing :-))

JLPT has always given me mixed opinions. There have been people who have easily passed it without any study. I think if I keep doing what I am doing, and of course give some time to study for JLPT I can surely pass it.

P.S. unrelated but, I started to go abit hardcore on the news stuff. Like srsing wise. It feels awesome, all those kanji.
I was wondering if it's possible to get the audio off the new site. B/c if I have the audio/transcripts. I can srs them using subs2srs. Doing a lot of srsing in news will help a lot.

ta12121 Wrote:JLPT has always given me mixed opinions. There have been people who have easily passed it without any study. I think if I keep doing what I am doing, and of course give some time to study for JLPT I can surely pass it.

I think it's interesting as a "reality check" -- it's quite easy to think you're doing pretty well but to have holes in what you know just because the input you mostly get is skewed one way or another. For instance I mostly read novels these days so I find those pretty easy but a lot of the JLPT1 grammar is just not really something you encounter much in the average novel, I think. (What the JLPT covers is skewed in its own way, mind you.) And concrete milestones with fixed deadlines are useful for motivation, of course. But yes, I'm kind of ambivalent about it too.

pm215 Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:JLPT has always given me mixed opinions. There have been people who have easily passed it without any study. I think if I keep doing what I am doing, and of course give some time to study for JLPT I can surely pass it.

I think it's interesting as a "reality check" -- it's quite easy to think you're doing pretty well but to have holes in what you know just because the input you mostly get is skewed one way or another. For instance I mostly read novels these days so I find those pretty easy but a lot of the JLPT1 grammar is just not really something you encounter much in the average novel, I think. (What the JLPT covers is skewed in its own way, mind you.) And concrete milestones with fixed deadlines are useful for motivation, of course. But yes, I'm kind of ambivalent about it too.

Hmm, guess I should use it to fill gaps in my knowledge and fill those gaps up afterwards.
For grammar/reading,etc.

pm215 Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:JLPT has always given me mixed opinions. There have been people who have easily passed it without any study. I think if I keep doing what I am doing, and of course give some time to study for JLPT I can surely pass it.

I think it's interesting as a "reality check" -- it's quite easy to think you're doing pretty well but to have holes in what you know just because the input you mostly get is skewed one way or another. For instance I mostly read novels these days so I find those pretty easy but a lot of the JLPT1 grammar is just not really something you encounter much in the average novel, I think. (What the JLPT covers is skewed in its own way, mind you.) And concrete milestones with fixed deadlines are useful for motivation, of course. But yes, I'm kind of ambivalent about it too.

I should have pointed out that, I love to read obscure kanji/grammar. It's strange but personally whenever I see something I don't know, feel a huge urge to learn more vocab.
I think it's time I got those grammar books and cracked those open. Beginning,intermediate and then advanced. I would be nice to get those done before I go back to school, as it would save me a lot of time.

Dont really understand the point of posting a progression thread and asking for constructive criticism when the first post is full of over exaggerations and half truths.
My advice to OP is to be honest with himself.

kaeru Wrote:Dont really understand the point of posting a progression thread and asking for constructive criticism when the first post is full of over exaggerations and half truths.
My advice to OP is to be honest with himself.

I'm always honest with myself, I still suck badly don't get me wrong there. But what I posted is right on the spot. I'm not fluent or anything, that would be exaggerating stuff.
Someone on this thread posted that I shouldn't post my stats or anything b/c someone will always argue against it. It's counter-productive. I know this is going to sound like I'm being a leprechaun. But I don't actually have anything to prove to you, only to myself and to japanese people(they will be the real judges of how far my japanese has gone). You gotta know I'm not claiming to be fluent or anything. And even when I do become fluent in a few years from now(hopefully). I've become kinda discouraged to even post stats on this forum and talk about my progress because there will be always someone who takes it the wrong way and argue to their point of view. (Don't take this post in the negative way it's just that, I'm pointing out what I think).

(P.S. ok one of the word usage here keeps switching to another word, i'm sure you'll find out which word I wanted to say, just pointing out some error here)

ta12121 Wrote:

kaeru Wrote:Dont really understand the point of posting a progression thread and asking for constructive criticism when the first post is full of over exaggerations and half truths.
My advice to OP is to be honest with himself.

I'm always honest with myself, I still suck badly don't get me wrong there. But what I posted is right on the spot. I'm not fluent or anything, that would be exaggerating stuff.
Someone on this thread posted that I shouldn't post my stats or anything b/c someone will always argue against it. It's counter-productive. I know this is going to sound like I'm being a leprechaun. But I don't actually have anything to prove to you, only to myself and to japanese people(they will be the real judges of how far my japanese has gone). You gotta know I'm not claiming to be fluent or anything. And even when I do become fluent in a few years from now(hopefully). I've become kinda discouraged to even post stats on this forum and talk about my progress because there will be always someone who takes it the wrong way and argue to their point of view. (Don't take this post in the negative way it's just that, I'm pointing out what I think).

Don't worry, I don't think you sound very much like a leprechaun at all. You don't rant about the location of your gold nearly enough for that, and I've yet to see you plug Lucky Charms or use magic to pointlessly terrorize teens and hood rats.

ta12121 Wrote:

kaeru Wrote:Dont really understand the point of posting a progression thread and asking for constructive criticism when the first post is full of over exaggerations and half truths.
My advice to OP is to be honest with himself.

I'm always honest with myself, I still suck badly don't get me wrong there. But what I posted is right on the spot. I'm not fluent or anything, that would be exaggerating stuff.
Someone on this thread posted that I shouldn't post my stats or anything b/c someone will always argue against it. It's counter-productive. I know this is going to sound like I'm being a leprechaun. But I don't actually have anything to prove to you, only to myself and to japanese people(they will be the real judges of how far my japanese has gone). You gotta know I'm not claiming to be fluent or anything. And even when I do become fluent in a few years from now(hopefully). I've become kinda discouraged to even post stats on this forum and talk about my progress because there will be always someone who takes it the wrong way and argue to their point of view. (Don't take this post in the negative way it's just that, I'm pointing out what I think).

(P.S. ok one of the word usage here keeps switching to another word, i'm sure you'll find out which word I wanted to say, just pointing out some error here)

I think you have misunderstood what this forum is about. Its not about you and your progress, its about helping each other out. You posting your stats is interesting to you and yourself only, and besides it gives others the wrong impression that you can study and learn that amount of Japanese because clearly you use a method that is basically just skimming through words, I mean who learns that amount and still has 0% failed cards? Or did I miss anything? There is clearly a lot of inconsistencies concerning your claim to how much you have learned(its 1000 words one day, then 2500 the next week, examples are in this thread), you promised earlier in this thread that you would do the JLPT and post the results here, and then you changed your mind.

Does this irritate me a bit? Yes.

kaeru Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:

kaeru Wrote:Dont really understand the point of posting a progression thread and asking for constructive criticism when the first post is full of over exaggerations and half truths.
My advice to OP is to be honest with himself.

I'm always honest with myself, I still suck badly don't get me wrong there. But what I posted is right on the spot. I'm not fluent or anything, that would be exaggerating stuff.
Someone on this thread posted that I shouldn't post my stats or anything b/c someone will always argue against it. It's counter-productive. I know this is going to sound like I'm being a leprechaun. But I don't actually have anything to prove to you, only to myself and to japanese people(they will be the real judges of how far my japanese has gone). You gotta know I'm not claiming to be fluent or anything. And even when I do become fluent in a few years from now(hopefully). I've become kinda discouraged to even post stats on this forum and talk about my progress because there will be always someone who takes it the wrong way and argue to their point of view. (Don't take this post in the negative way it's just that, I'm pointing out what I think).

(P.S. ok one of the word usage here keeps switching to another word, i'm sure you'll find out which word I wanted to say, just pointing out some error here)

I think you have misunderstood what this forum is about. Its not about you and your progress, its about helping each other out. You posting your stats is interesting to you and yourself only, and besides it gives others the wrong impression that you can study and learn that amount of Japanese because clearly you use a method that is basically just skimming through words, I mean who learns that amount and still has 0% failed cards? Or did I miss anything? There is clearly a lot of inconsistencies concerning your claim to how much you have learned(its 1000 words one day, then 2500 the next week, examples are in this thread), you promised earlier in this thread that you would do the JLPT and post the results here, and then you changed your mind.

Does this irritate me a bit? Yes.

I'm not claiming I'm learning twice as much, but for me it's working and that's all that matters. I actually fail quite a lot of my cards when I don't understand/can't read it at all. when I do get a good grasp on it I rate it good, the reason why it's 100% is b/c of the amount of cards I believe. I put up my stats/progress to help others that are learning japanese. If I didn't I wouldn't be asking be asking for help(constructive criticism). I actually said I'd do JLPT 2 practice test sometime this week. I still intend to. I only did one section just to see how the test was like. I will do it, don't get me wrong. But it is quite boring to do. Wouldn't you rather do stuff in japanese than take a test? i'm sure you'd go for reading novels,news,watching talk-shows,writing,speaking etc than testing.

P.S. I have decided not to post my stats up.(I was going to do in another 5 months from now, but I will not. I will post my progress and what I feel I can do/cannot not. But other than that, nothing more.)
The way I use my srs is different from what I usual did in the beginning. I basically slowly increased the amount I did. When I started it was 5,10,then 50, then 100 and then it went higher than that. The "skimming" I do is vocab, it's suppose to be quick and painless for my sentence deck I search up what I don't get.

Can someone explain the leprechaun saying to me? I've never heard that before in English so I am confused

Aijin Wrote:Can someone explain the leprechaun saying to me? I've never heard that before in English so I am confused

Actually, I meant to say "leprechaun", but the word leprechaun came up. It was some error, not sure if it was on my computer or on this forum. But I believe it's the forum, because I tried numerous times and it still came up as leprechaun.

omg, not again. It's still doing that. It's some error on the forum I believe. Not me lol.
a-hole is the word I wanted to say.

Aijin Wrote:Can someone explain the leprechaun saying to me? I've never heard that before in English so I am confused

A certain insult involving a certain orifice gets word-filtered into 'leprechaun' is all. There's no meaning to it. The mods are just ａｓｓｈｏｌｅｓ. Haha, oops, I said it.

(Don't be mad mods, it's a joke, I don't mean it!)

Mcjon01 Wrote:

Aijin Wrote:Can someone explain the leprechaun saying to me? I've never heard that before in English so I am confused

A certain insult involving a certain orifice gets word-filtered into 'leprechaun' is all. There's no meaning to it. The mods are just ａｓｓｈｏｌｅｓ. Haha, oops, I said it.

(Don't be mad mods, it's a joke, I don't mean it!)

Oh that's why, sorry. Didn't mean anything by it. It's a filter word no wonder. Sorry for the message ファブリス. Disregard what I sent you. My mistake.

ta12121 Wrote:

Mcjon01 Wrote:

Aijin Wrote:Can someone explain the leprechaun saying to me? I've never heard that before in English so I am confused

A certain insult involving a certain orifice gets word-filtered into 'leprechaun' is all. There's no meaning to it. The mods are just ａｓｓｈｏｌｅｓ. Haha, oops, I said it.

(Don't be mad mods, it's a joke, I don't mean it!)

Oh that's why, sorry. Didn't mean anything by it. It's a filter word no wonder. Sorry for the message ファブリス. Disregard what I sent you. My mistake.

Haha, well, to be quite honest I kind of wish it would filter to something that starts with a vowel. I mean, sometimes I forget about the filter, and then freak out when I see myself talking about an leprechaun. I'm all like, noooo, articles don't work that way! D:

ta12121 Wrote:Actually, I meant to say "leprechaun", but the word leprechaun came up.

I literally reread that sentence like 5 times to see what the difference was between "leprechaun" and leprechaun.

Oh, an, uh, good job! I'm at a month and all I have is 300 RTK kanji.

smartazjb0y Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:Actually, I meant to say "leprechaun", but the word leprechaun came up.

I literally reread that sentence like 5 times to see what the difference was between "leprechaun" and leprechaun.

Well at least I'm not the only one

I'm pretty sure at my 10 month mark of studying alone, I kind of barely knew hiragana and katakana, and could only say basic stuff like "this is a book."

Hahaha, that made me laugh a lot I too looked back and forth between the two words, trying to figure out the difference. Funny filter though ^_^

Mcjon01 Wrote:Haha, well, to be quite honest I kind of wish it would filter to something that starts with a vowel. I mean, sometimes I forget about the filter, and then freak out when I see myself talking about an leprechaun. I'm all like, noooo, articles don't work that way! D:

To fit with the imaginary creature theme, how about "unicorn"?

Blank Wrote:

Mcjon01 Wrote:Haha, well, to be quite honest I kind of wish it would filter to something that starts with a vowel. I mean, sometimes I forget about the filter, and then freak out when I see myself talking about an leprechaun. I'm all like, noooo, articles don't work that way! D:

To fit with the imaginary creature theme, how about "unicorn"?

Hahaha, very funny. Of course I meant vowel *sound*. You leprechaun.

If it helps, the filter was started during the whale wars thread. Someone did not like that some of us were sort of defending the concept of whaling and gave us his opinion on the matter. Fabrice stepped in with a funny word convert. So words like Fuck and Assholes get converted to ***** or leprechaun.

It's a pretty old thread, but do you mind if I ask how you can do 1700 reps in 40 minutes?

Or is the anki clock lying?

ta12121 Wrote:-Speak with a flow/small or no mistakes in it. 90% of the time.

Wow! Would you say speaking is one of your stronger points? As it's my weakest point and it's hard to imagine even attaining this kind of success, I can't help but be very impressed.

Also, have you had native speakers listen to your speaking and correct you? While speaking, it may feel like you're not making mistakes because it feels right to you. Not underestimating you -- just a small warning because I find I always feel like I'm saying something correct, only to have myself corrected.

edit: ... upon looking at the previous response, I realized how old the thread is. I'm assuming there have been many changes since then. =)

Judging by his posts (in this older thread and even in recent ones), I think ta is perhaps a little over-eager to excel and while it's great to be motivated, it's also good to be realistic and recognize ones limitations. Saying "I can understand 90% of everything I read/hear on TV/news/books with ease" then saying "I'm by no means fluent" comes off as false modesty. (It honestly reminds me of this one time a buddy and I indulged in a particular herb and watched Japanese broadcast TV I had taped. He claimed with complete certainty that he could suddenly understand everything they were saying! When I asked him what they were saying he paused and admitted..."I dunno.") Also saying he's only been studying for 19 months but actually studied for a year before that but it doesn't count because he wasn't really trying shows to me that he really wants to be special with this hobby and maybe is used to being the smartest guy in the room and needs that validation.

You can't be fluent after a year of study, no matter how immersed you are. It's a slight to other students that are struggling with the language for years as well as to native speakers who go through many years of schooling in addition to being raised with it. You can make a lot of progress in a short time but not to that degree.

I think there's an inherent insecurity and competition that goes along with this hobby (or whatever you want to call it) which is why some people here have reacted negatively to his posts as well as to why he feels compelled to claim his skills are as good as they are.