Since http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10290933.stm
At least I'm weighing my options

China has a whole lot of economic problems too.

I don't know if anyone noticed this but the monetary system is built purely on debt. The only way the money in circulation increases is to get a loan (at interest) from the federal reserve bank which is just a private company not related to the government. This of course just creates exponentially mounting debt.

The system won't last forever.

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I would not like to support the Chinese government, in the interest of the Chinese people. Isn't India the new Eldorado?

Quote:I don't know if anyone noticed this but the monetary system is built purely on debt.

This is how money works in every modern society. Look at the US. There is a potentially endless supply of money; the federal reserve can print as much as they want. The reason the supply is limited is because banks have to pay to use the money (in the form of interest).

Why someone would drop learning a language because of an economic drop is beyond me.

kyotokanji Wrote:Why someone would drop learning a language because of an economic drop is beyond me.

Please let me provide you with a fresh perspective on that: learn a language = takes time --> takes time from potentially earned money --> learned language = loss of potentially earned money --> the inherent willingness to put your acquired knowledge to use so you can earn some (extra) money with it arises sooner or later (unless you are a millionare, or financally very well suited, or a pensioner, ect.) --> the country which has your studied language as their native is in a bad shape economically ---> number of opportunities to use your knowledge will decline, or even vanish completely ---> therefore your invested time will financially never return in any way (or a lot longer).

But why the heck are you so obsessed about financial return on language learning, when you enjoy learning it and using it passively? (using it passively = not making any money with it neither directly nor indirectly) Good question. Cause I'm not in the cirlces of the aforementioned group (pensioner, millionare, ect). So, If I invest my time in something, which requires effort, I expect to have some kind of (financial) return out of it.
Maybe I chose the wrong language, I'm an idiot

Learn a language for interest not business...

ta12121 Wrote:Learn a language for interest not business...

Still need to grow, Junior

Raschaverak Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:Learn a language for interest not business...

Still need to grow, Junior

It's not bad to learn it for business. It's just when I think business, for some reason I have that picture of me taking Japanese level 1 class at school. That was so boring, and I didn't learn much. I can learn way more on my own than I ever could in class. That's what i mean by interest. I can go way farther in interest then other reasons. When I'm interested and have the passion, I can keep learning and learning(usual hardcore at times). But if i took it in class I couldn't,cuz it was so boring.

ファブリス Wrote:I would not like to support the Chinese government, in the interest of the Chinese people. Isn't India the new Eldorado?

No

ta12121 Wrote:

Raschaverak Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:Learn a language for interest not business...

Still need to grow, Junior

It's not bad to learn it for business. It's just when I think business, for some reason I have that picture of me taking Japanese level 1 class at school. That was so boring, and I didn't learn much. I can learn way more on my own than I ever could in class. That's what i mean by interest. I can go way farther in interest then other reasons. When I'm interested and have the passion, I can keep learning and learning(usual hardcore at times). But if i took it in class I couldn't,cuz it was so boring.

Keep in mind that on your own, you have to self-motivate yourself, whereas in calss, your classmates, the deadlines for exams, and overall the whole teaching process gives you a relatively good assessement where you are, and how fast are you going compared to others. That would be more motivating for me... On your own all the time, you can get distracted by many things...which can't even be cured by the promondo (or whatever) technique Besides, humans are social beings, right? Go socalize

Raschaverak Wrote:which can't even be cured by the promondo (or whatever) technique

I can see you haven't deemed Italian to be financially lucrative.

JimmySeal Wrote:

Raschaverak Wrote:which can't even be cured by the promondo (or whatever) technique

I can see you haven't deemed Italian to be financially lucrative.

Is it?

Yes, seeing as you wrote the word "pomodoro" as "promondo."

Raschaverak Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:

Raschaverak Wrote:Still need to grow, Junior

It's not bad to learn it for business. It's just when I think business, for some reason I have that picture of me taking Japanese level 1 class at school. That was so boring, and I didn't learn much. I can learn way more on my own than I ever could in class. That's what i mean by interest. I can go way farther in interest then other reasons. When I'm interested and have the passion, I can keep learning and learning(usual hardcore at times). But if i took it in class I couldn't,cuz it was so boring.

Keep in mind that on your own, you have to self-motivate yourself, whereas in calss, your classmates, the deadlines for exams, and overall the whole teaching process gives you a relatively good assessement where you are, and how fast are you going compared to others. That would be more motivating for me... On your own all the time, you can get distracted by many things...which can't even be cured by the promondo (or whatever) technique Besides, humans are social beings, right? Go socalize

Well I do have motivation, I've never missed a day of learning japanese.(Well actually probably 2 days last time I remember in terms of reps but immersion. almost never.
Plus class, I think class your speaking skills will grow to be pretty good. While your reading/writing ability might not be as high as you'd want it to be. That's what I've found in classes I've taken in the past.

IceCream Wrote:life101

Lv426 ?

IceCream Wrote:money does not = happiness

An acient theory. More acient is the one, which states, that yes, but lack of money does cause sadness...or hunger...or death...or whatever So if I acquire money, I reduce the sadness, which means that I get happier....

IceCream Wrote:money is boring

True. What would I do with money alone...it's just paper. However the things I can get for it aren't that boring

IceCream Wrote:if you enjoy doing something a lot, you spend less time thinking about what you want to buy

I'm not following....

IceCream Wrote:therefore you need less money
therefore how much money you will make from learning japanese isn't an issue

According to this logic, we could end world hunger just by giving funky toys for the children, and some adult games for adults, in third world countries, thus making them enjoy themselves, thus keeping them thinking about buying / getting things (like food, ect..)

IceCream Wrote:in conclusion, just enjoy studying japanese, who cares...

I'll reply to you later via mail

JimmySeal Wrote:Yes, seeing as you wrote the word "pomodoro" as "promondo."

I'd be inclined to fix that in my original post, but then it would make your post redundant Anyway thanks for the clarification.

ファブリス Wrote:I would not like to support the Chinese government, in the interest of the Chinese people. Isn't India the new Eldorado?

I think so too, India is truly a great country and no doubt it is rising, but I think anybody who dare to go there for work will be crushed, because they are beasts (dedicated people ), just a guess.

As for learning a language, there's a third reason, *experience*, which isn't about fun and pleasure.

Languages open ways to great insight.

Geez, what am I reading?
Learning languages just for financial return? Is that even possible if you have absolutely no interest in the language?
Seriously, I learn japanese for the fun of learning/knowing it, not for money I may profit in the future because of it.
Same thing with those asshats that study 24/7 to enter on MIT or whatever.
I mean, you either really love studying, or you are just a greedy idiot.
You don't need a lot of money to live happy.
Actually, lots of money can bring the same unhappiness as almost no money at all.
Balance is everything, literally.

EDIT: Also, I already know native Brazilian Portuguese.
I'm inside the BRIC, losers! Enjoy your slow economical decline!

BlueFinger Wrote:Geez, what am I reading?
Learning languages just for financial return? Is that even possible if you have absolutely no interest in the language?
Seriously, I learn japanese for the fun of learning/knowing it, not for money I may profit in the future because of it.
Same thing with those asshats that study 24/7 to enter on MIT or whatever.
I mean, you either really love studying, or you are just a greedy idiot.
You don't need a lot of money to live happy.
Actually, lots of money can bring the same unhappiness as almost no money at all.
Balance is everything, literally.

Who work hard ONLY for the cause of "Knowing", must reconsider his choices, my opinion.

I don't want to say much so that I don't offend anybody by mistake, but ,using your example, people who study 24/7 just to enter MIT are idiots, I think none of those exist, I guess they work hard to get better education, that's reasonable!

undead_saif Wrote:

BlueFinger Wrote:Geez, what am I reading?
Learning languages just for financial return? Is that even possible if you have absolutely no interest in the language?
Seriously, I learn japanese for the fun of learning/knowing it, not for money I may profit in the future because of it.
Same thing with those asshats that study 24/7 to enter on MIT or whatever.
I mean, you either really love studying, or you are just a greedy idiot.
You don't need a lot of money to live happy.
Actually, lots of money can bring the same unhappiness as almost no money at all.
Balance is everything, literally.

Who work hard ONLY for the cause of "Knowing", must reconsider his choices, my opinion.

I meant the fun that learning it and knowing it can BRING me, by communicating, reading and being able to dive into their culture.
Sorry about the misunderstanding, my english sucks, because I've "learned" it with no actual interest in it.

undead_saif Wrote:I don't want to say much so that I don't offend anybody by mistake, but ,using your example, people who study 24/7 just to enter MIT are idiots, I think none of those exist, I guess they work hard to get better education, that's reasonable!

I've used MIT as an example because you wouldn't understand if I used a example from my country, I don't really know the profile of want-to-enter MIT.
Maybe the ones who enter are people that actually look for good education, but you can't deny that most of the applicants (or at least a lot of them) want the big money the name "MIT" can give them.

Learning a language doesn't seem like a very economical path to me.
Unless you already have a set path with a career in a certain country or group in mind.

I just mean, with the huge amounts of time a language requires, I'm not sure if money was your objective, it wouldn't be more profitable to invest the time in some other skill set or goal.

High input low output it seems?

This is something I agree with khatz on: http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blo...investment

Reviewed Wrote:This is something I agree with khatz on: http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blo...investment

Ouch. That hurt