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The Internet is making you smarter

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...94334.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...90098.html

"The case for digitally-driven stupidity assumes we'll fail to integrate digital freedoms into society as well as we integrated literacy. This assumption in turn rests on three beliefs: that the recent past was a glorious and irreplaceable high-water mark of intellectual attainment; that the present is only characterized by the silly stuff and not by the noble experiments; and that this generation of young people will fail to invent cultural norms that do for the Internet's abundance what the intellectuals of the 17th century did for print culture. There are likewise three reasons to think that the Internet will fuel the intellectual achievements of 21st-century society.

First, the rosy past of the pessimists was not, on closer examination, so rosy. The decade the pessimists want to return us to is the 1980s, the last period before society had any significant digital freedoms. Despite frequent genuflection to European novels, we actually spent a lot more time watching "Diff'rent Strokes" than reading Proust, prior to the Internet's spread. The Net, in fact, restores reading and writing as central activities in our culture.

The present is, as noted, characterized by lots of throwaway cultural artifacts, but the nice thing about throwaway material is that it gets thrown away. This issue isn't whether there's lots of dumb stuff online—there is, just as there is lots of dumb stuff in bookstores. The issue is whether there are any ideas so good today that they will survive into the future. Several early uses of our cognitive surplus, like open source software, look like they will pass that test.

The past was not as golden, nor is the present as tawdry, as the pessimists suggest, but the only thing really worth arguing about is the future. It is our misfortune, as a historical generation, to live through the largest expansion in expressive capability in human history, a misfortune because abundance breaks more things than scarcity. We are now witnessing the rapid stress of older institutions accompanied by the slow and fitful development of cultural alternatives. Just as required education was a response to print, using the Internet well will require new cultural institutions as well, not just new technologies.

It is tempting to want PatientsLikeMe without the dumb videos, just as we might want scientific journals without the erotic novels, but that's not how media works. Increased freedom to create means increased freedom to create throwaway material, as well as freedom to indulge in the experimentation that eventually makes the good new stuff possible. There is no easy way to get through a media revolution of this magnitude; the task before us now is to experiment with new ways of using a medium that is social, ubiquitous and cheap, a medium that changes the landscape by distributing freedom of the press and freedom of assembly as widely as freedom of speech."
Edited: 2010-06-05, 6:53 pm
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Why did you quote the part of the article that was wrong?
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nest0r Wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...94334.html
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...90098.html

"The case for digitally-driven stupidity assumes we'll fail to integrate digital freedoms into society as well as we integrated literacy. This assumption in turn rests on three beliefs: that the recent past was a glorious and irreplaceable high-water mark of intellectual attainment; that the present is only characterized by the silly stuff and not by the noble experiments; and that this generation of young people will fail to invent cultural norms that do for the Internet's abundance what the intellectuals of the 17th century did for print culture. There are likewise three reasons to think that the Internet will fuel the intellectual achievements of 21st-century society.

First, the rosy past of the pessimists was not, on closer examination, so rosy. The decade the pessimists want to return us to is the 1980s, the last period before society had any significant digital freedoms. Despite frequent genuflection to European novels, we actually spent a lot more time watching "Diff'rent Strokes" than reading Proust, prior to the Internet's spread. The Net, in fact, restores reading and writing as central activities in our culture.

The present is, as noted, characterized by lots of throwaway cultural artifacts, but the nice thing about throwaway material is that it gets thrown away. This issue isn't whether there's lots of dumb stuff online—there is, just as there is lots of dumb stuff in bookstores. The issue is whether there are any ideas so good today that they will survive into the future. Several early uses of our cognitive surplus, like open source software, look like they will pass that test.

The past was not as golden, nor is the present as tawdry, as the pessimists suggest, but the only thing really worth arguing about is the future. It is our misfortune, as a historical generation, to live through the largest expansion in expressive capability in human history, a misfortune because abundance breaks more things than scarcity. We are now witnessing the rapid stress of older institutions accompanied by the slow and fitful development of cultural alternatives. Just as required education was a response to print, using the Internet well will require new cultural institutions as well, not just new technologies.

It is tempting to want PatientsLikeMe without the dumb videos, just as we might want scientific journals without the erotic novels, but that's not how media works. Increased freedom to create means increased freedom to create throwaway material, as well as freedom to indulge in the experimentation that eventually makes the good new stuff possible. There is no easy way to get through a media revolution of this magnitude; the task before us now is to experiment with new ways of using a medium that is social, ubiquitous and cheap, a medium that changes the landscape by distributing freedom of the press and freedom of assembly as widely as freedom of speech."
Good one nestor. Of course the rethorical question still remains if WE make the ineternet smarter / more stupid or vice versa Smile Besides I've been sitting in front of the net for a while now (I don't even own a Tv or anything), and I definately don't feel smarter, although usually on the net I just read, read and read. I believe this state is called being an information junkie. The net is full of info, it acts exactly like when a child goes into a sweets shop: a lot of unrelated pieces of information attracts the brain really strong.

The net definitely makes you stupid, but not because of what was mentioned in the other thread, but because it takes your time which you could've used for acquiring information / do things of acutal usefulness for YOU (learn something, do some yard work, whatever). The attention span thing mentioned in the other thread fails, because for example a lot of jobs involve "multitasking" (at least in Hungary), which means you have to jump in-between tasks, to meet their different deadlines. By the other thread's logic this would mean that - since we have to scatter our attention, or at least change it rapidly, thus attention span is decreasing - working in these jobs would make us stupid. Thus when a job description has the "practice in multitasking is preferred" line, it means they are looking for stupid people... Smile
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Eikyu Wrote:Why did you quote the part of the article that was wrong?
To contradict your original thread. He's naughty Smile
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Raschaverak Wrote:Besides I've been sitting in front of the net for a while now (I don't even own a Tv or anything), and I definately don't feel smarter...
I do feel "smarter". I see the net as my "prosthetic brain": strictly speaking I am not smarter, but now I'm equipped with a tool that allows my "innate" abilities to go further than they could go before. So, for many practical purposes, the net has made me smarter, and the same goes for every "net-equipped" person, including you, whether you like to admit it or not. Smile

Case in point: this is my second attempt to learn kanji. The first one occurred in the pre-internet era, and I even used Heisig's method. It failed (I gave up at around 800 characters). I've gone much further this second time around (I'm up to 1,900 characters now, and still going strong). I give the net (and foremost RevTK) most of the credit for this difference.

It does bug me that so much junk and outright nastiness gums up the net's immense potential to make us "smarter". To see what I mean, take a stroll through the once-excellent usenet newsgroup sci.math, where a few extremely tenacious and resourceful "leprechaun" (<-- that's an automated euphemism for a*holes) have managed to drive away many of its best contributors. It is now a cesspool. Examples like this one make me fear that maybe there is something analogous to Gresham's Law for the net: the bad content drives out the good.
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#6
Information input can never make you dumber. Used properly, however, it can make you smarter.

I'm definitely better for having used the internet. If others aren't, that's their fault.
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gfb345 Wrote:Case in point: this is my second attempt to learn kanji. The first one occurred in the pre-internet era, and I even used Heisig's method. It failed (I gave up at around 800 characters). I've gone much further this second time around (I'm up to 1,900 characters now, and still going strong). I give the net (and foremost RevTK) most of the credit for this difference.
This pretty much. Except in my case without the net I probably would have never started in the first place. The way I started Japanese was a person in my speech class talked about learning Japanese following the ajatt method. So he lead me to ajatt which lead me to this website and Heisig.

Without the net this site and ajatt wouldn't have existed. He wouldn't have given a speech about the ajatt method and I would have never realized there was a logical way to go about learning Japanese that actually makes sense.

My previous attempts barely got anywhere before I gave up feeling like I was drowning due to information overload. Couldn't even finish the Kana back then. I'm currently 840 Kanji in. I have gotten pretty quick at reading and writing the Kana. And I'm getting a grammar foundation + vocab with Japanese the Manga Way. I've also never felt more motivated on anything in my life.

In short: the net has made 日本語 learning possible.
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#8
Is it making us smarter or stupider?

http://gizmodo.com/5556264/is-the-intern...r-stupider
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bindasj Wrote:Is it making us smarter or stupider?

http://gizmodo.com/5556264/is-the-intern...r-stupider
hehe, This is just a reiteration of what WSJ did by posting both links close together, and what Eikyu and I did by posting our respective threads positing one over the other (Eikyu's thread centered around Carr but also linking to Shirky, mine doing the opposite).

It all started ages ago but was kicked up again with Carr's 'Is Google Making Us Stupid?' article followed by Shirky's 'Is Google Making Us Smarter?' response (Edit: well technically I guess this was Shirky's response, and this is the article with latter title). Personally I think Carr is speaking out of their league just to make money with tech-writing on a common, old fad where the media speculates on how technology shapes us, our children, etc., especially when Carr tries to code things in neuroscientific terms that they clearly known nothing about (especially clear as the cognitive science on that stuff is something neuroscientists are only just tapping into). From the cultural arguments and current cogsci, I'm more convinced by Shirky and other similar responses (http://www.edge.org/discourse/carr_google.html) to the original Carr article, alongside the sentiments in the comments here...
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#10
I think you don't realize how dangerous the net is for our minds.

"As we are drained of our “inner repertory of dense cultural inheritance,” Foreman concluded, we risk turning into “‘pancake people’—spread wide and thin as we connect with that vast network of information accessed by the mere touch of a button.” "(http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arch...upid/6868/)

We will all become pancakes!
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#11
If the net is making me "stupider", then bring it on!

(IOW, we could argue until the cows come home over what "smarter" and "stupider" mean, and get nowhere. All I can say is that, whatever it is the net is doing to my cognitive abilities, it is something I thoroughly welcome. If anything I want more of it, not less, irrespective of what any trends commentator has to say on the subject.)

I'm reminded of the anecdote about Lincoln's response when someone accused Ulysses Grant of being a drunk. Lincoln allegedly replied something like "let's find out what brand of whiskey Grant drinks, and send a barrel of it to each of our generals."
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nest0r Wrote:Personally I think Carr is speaking out of their league just to make money with tech-writing...
I think that's spot on. He's basically manufacturing a controversy, which, for someone in his line of work, is paydirt.
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