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#51
More people are more aware than they will usually admit. You just have to find the right people to talk about it. In terms of getting perspective, anyway.

Beyond that, by watching pornography and/or having sexual relations with natives. Bonus points for both simultaneously.

Duh.
Edited: 2010-06-03, 10:57 pm
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#52
Yea, and just what kind of things do you need to do/watch to know all these child pornography and raping stuffs.

by the way, making love and watching porn at the same time is a big no-no, my friend told me so, of course. Tongue
Edited: 2010-06-03, 11:15 pm
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#53
Expatriates and online posters are always experts on Japan, how else could they make sweeping, condescending statements about what all Japanese believe and should believe? Silly.
Edited: 2010-06-03, 11:31 pm
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#54
Exactly.
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#55
Well, true experts know all spectrum of the culture, not just the extreme sides right? And I don't find Japanese porn videos THAT extreme if you see the whole picture. I mean, there are lot of extreme things in American porns as well.

To be a bit serious, nobody with a sane mind likes seriously sexually offensive videos but WHAT is sexually offensive? Some people think doing it doggy style is offensive and there is even a law prohibiting it in the US in some state, I forgot where though. And there is the issue of freedom of speech. Should you be arrested if you post a video of you washing your baby in a sink? It's just about where you draw the line and yes, Japan tends to be more lenient on this issue compared to the US or the UK, but it has a lot lower crime rates too so it's not easy to say what really maximizes the benefit of the general public, I think.

Anyway I just don't get the censorship in JAV that hides the most important parts in porn though. What the point of doing that when they are doing all the sick things in the video? I'm saying this solely from the interest of the general public. Yes I am...
Edited: 2010-06-04, 9:55 am
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#56
Japan Pledges To Halt Production Of Weirdo Porn...
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#57
So anyone interesting in making a "Filthy, Dirty, Horrible Japanese" Anki Deck?
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#58
ToasterMage Wrote:Japan Pledges To Halt Production Of Weirdo Porn...
I read that whole article believing it was real. Then I realized it was an Onion article. The reason I believed it was real is because there is a some (much) underlying truth to it.
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#59
bodhisamaya Wrote:
ToasterMage Wrote:Japan Pledges To Halt Production Of Weirdo Porn...
I read that whole article believing it was real. Then I realized it was an Onion article. The reason I believed it was real is because there is a some (much) underlying truth to it.
I didn't realize only Japan made the type of pornography described in the satirical article, or did so in such greater numbers that it deserved to be singled out. Here I was thinking they must've just derived a joke from a stereotype.
Edited: 2010-06-04, 5:56 am
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#60
nest0r Wrote:
bodhisamaya Wrote:
ToasterMage Wrote:Japan Pledges To Halt Production Of Weirdo Porn...
I read that whole article believing it was real. Then I realized it was an Onion article. The reason I believed it was real is because there is a some (much) underlying truth to it.
I didn't realize only Japan made the type of pornography described in the satirical article, or did so in such greater numbers that it deserved to be singled out. Here I was thinking they must've just derived a joke from a stereotype.
Japan is very deserving of their reputation for being the sicko porn capital of the world. Walk into any adult novelty store in the outskirts of a Japanese town and you will see.
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#61
bodhisamaya Wrote:
nest0r Wrote:
bodhisamaya Wrote:I read that whole article believing it was real. Then I realized it was an Onion article. The reason I believed it was real is because there is a some (much) underlying truth to it.
I didn't realize only Japan made the type of pornography described in the satirical article, or did so in such greater numbers that it deserved to be singled out. Here I was thinking they must've just derived a joke from a stereotype.
Japan is very deserving of their reputation for being the sicko porn capital of the world. Walk into any adult novelty store in the outskirts of a Japanese town and you will see.
So their adult novelty stores on the outskirts of towns are more 'sick' than other nations' adult novelty stores on the outskirts of towns?
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#62
nest0r Wrote:
bodhisamaya Wrote:
nest0r Wrote:I didn't realize only Japan made the type of pornography described in the satirical article, or did so in such greater numbers that it deserved to be singled out. Here I was thinking they must've just derived a joke from a stereotype.
Japan is very deserving of their reputation for being the sicko porn capital of the world. Walk into any adult novelty store in the outskirts of a Japanese town and you will see.
So their adult novelty stores on the outskirts of towns are more 'sick' than other nations' adult novelty stores on the outskirts of towns?
Yes
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#63
nest0r Wrote:
bodhisamaya Wrote:
nest0r Wrote:I didn't realize only Japan made the type of pornography described in the satirical article, or did so in such greater numbers that it deserved to be singled out. Here I was thinking they must've just derived a joke from a stereotype.
Japan is very deserving of their reputation for being the sicko porn capital of the world. Walk into any adult novelty store in the outskirts of a Japanese town and you will see.
So their adult novelty stores on the outskirts of towns are more 'sick' than other nations' adult novelty stores on the outskirts of towns?
They all have their strengths and weaknesses. The Japanese adult novelty stores are great for finding quirky novelty sex items. American adult novelty stores, on the other hand, are great if you're looking for a vast sea of rubber cocks. It's all about the same level of perversion, though, which is to say not very high compared to what you can find on the Internet.
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#64
IceCream Wrote:to imply that they are the same types is probably wrong
Good, because I implied the same types as described in that particular article, for example 'bondage'. The rest is just splitting hairs over particular perversions, when I've seen nothing to indicate that Japan has more than any other.

@Mcjon101 - A vast sea of rubber cocks. That's poetic, somehow.
Edited: 2010-06-04, 6:32 am
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#65
IceCream Wrote:
nest0r Wrote:
IceCream Wrote:to imply that they are the same types is probably wrong
Good, because I implied the same types as described in that particular article, for example 'bondage'. The rest is just splitting hairs over particular perversions, when I've seen nothing to indicate that Japan has more than any other.
um... what? i don't get why you're picking one of the only examples in the entire article that is also regularly found somewhere else. You seem to indicate that only that type is a "type" of porn. "bukkake (splash), gokkun (gulp), and tamakeri (testicle-kicking)" are just particular perversions, but bondage isn't??
I meant all of them, I simply didn't feel like quoting every listed example. Is there no bukkake in other countries? No 'food utensil rape' or 'old person/coma patient' or whatever? Only Japan has those? Or someone measured and found that Japan has so much more? Or perhaps, is 'tentacle porn' it, the big no-no indicator that Japan is way sicker than other countries? I thought that was tied into Japan's rich fishing heritage. ^_^ I'm sure Germany has, like, sausage porn or something. ;p
Edited: 2010-06-04, 6:45 am
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#66
IceCream Wrote:i think its probably because japan invented so many of them, dunno though...
I'll tell you who's a bunch of perverts. The Romans! Or the Persians from 300.
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#67
The novelty shops in Japan openly display things that I would hope are illegal in all other developed nations, and I don't want to list the things that are on those shelves just to prove a point. For me though, where Japan adult video stores cross the line into unhealthy are the sections openly devoted to kid related stuff.
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#68
The idea of a country inventing a perversion is ridiculous. Was there an evil mad scientist named Dr. Honshu in a labcoat experimenting with test tubes until eureka he discovered bukkake?

Sorry, every country is filled with strange fetishes and they've all been around for a LONG time. Japan just has more of it out in the open since they are one of the few developed countries not stained with Christian prudishness (either in the public or in special interest groups pressuring the government for strict laws).

The "lolz Japanese people are perverts" stereotype needs to die already.
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#69
IceCream Wrote:hahha i have no idea what you're referring to, tbh. what did the romans ever do?!

i dunno, i doubt in 3000 years people it will be part of standard sex to do bukkake or kick someones testicles, or whatever, any more than it is now. i doubt it would provide any particular evolutionary advantage.
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article...study-says
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#70
As long as I'm not forced to watch/participate in it I can tolerate any perversion, its just human nature and it will exist as long as we will live. I may not like them but that won't make them go away, even with all those stupid laws we try to pass.

IceCream Wrote:hahha i have no idea what you're referring to, tbh. what did the romans ever do?!
Ever heard of something called Roman shower? Smile There is tons of things they did and nobody gives a damn since its not in high school textbooks. FFS there were kings in my country that are worshiped on history lessons for their achievements but everyone seems to overlook the fact that they had 12yo in their bedrooms...

Those perverts, they must have picked that up from Japan Smile
Edited: 2010-06-04, 7:21 am
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#71
@IceCream:

The entire thread turned into "lol Japanese people are perverts" many posts ago.

There may be some fetishes that first appeared in Japan, but that doesn't mean it somehow represents all of Japan (as many previous posters seem to believe) or that the rest of the world isn't doing it (now) too. Personally I very much doubt that there are any new fetishes created in Japan. If it's sexual it has been done already hundreds/thousands of years ago, unless it involves some newly invented technology.

The religion comment was not about people having perversions, it was about people being open with their perversions. The fact that a fetish DVD is sitting on a shelf in Japan doesn't mean that people in France aren't fetishizing the same thing in the same numbers, but just keeping it hidden (or the DVD isn't legal because of obscenity laws pushed for by religious groups).

If people think bukkake is disgusting and are looking down at Japan because of it, apparently everyone in Germany enjoys scat DAILY, sometimes twice.
Edited: 2010-06-04, 7:41 am
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#72
Jarvik7 Wrote:everyone in Germany enjoys scat DAILY, sometimes twice.
What a bunch of prudes.
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#73
Quote:FROM THE EARLIEST TIMES until today, indigenous Japanese religion, known as Shinto, has maintained a sex-positive ideology, particularly with regard to the role of sex in procreation. Even now, it is possible to see in village festivals processions which feature enormous carved wooden phalli which are taken out of the local shrine and paraded around the fields so as to bless them and make them fecund. Unlike in Christian creation myths where the advent of awareness of sexual dimorphism is seen to mark a deterioration in the human condition (resulting in expulsion from Eden), in Japanese mythology the divine ancestors Izanagi and Izanami are shown to be curious and experimental about sex.
Source: Buddhism and sex in Japan

I think clearly most of us come from a very different background, having been very negatively conditioned towards sex (at best, a practice that one has to refrain from public scrutiny). We are from a background which teaches to be shameful of our bodies. Still today many people don't properly educate their children about sex. I'm speaking of course of certain religions which are an integral part of our culture and history, whether we like it or not.

Our society (in the West)'s view on sexuality is totally unhealthy. Today even in my country (Belgium) I have talked to men who would not dare anymore be playful with their own children in public spaces for fear of being reported for paedophilia. This has been worsened by the media's constant hunger for negativity.

I remember in Japan there were statues of naked women in the center plaza of megastores. Sometimes just standing, sometimes hanging from the ceiling, like flying angels. Breasts and genitals uncovered. If I remember well, there were also sometimes naked children. Like a woman and her little girl. I thought it was beautiful and how sad it is that in my country, in Europe, we can not simply enjoy the beauty of our own bodies.

From a spiritual point of view, as far as I understand, porn is a deformation of reality. In that sense, it's no more a deformation of reality than the filtered news fed to us on a daily basis, or the ill-named "reality shows". In my opinion one can learn about oneself while watching porn as any other material. It's especially interesting to feel one's body or focus the attention inwards when watching this kind of arousing material.. to feel where the sexual energy arises from, how it rises and falls (like waves). The "sex" porn variety I guess is one of the most hypnotizing type of so called "reality shows".
It can be a good lesson in itself, to see how the mind grasps on it.

So yeah I'm afraid to disappoint some of our more conservative members, I have watched my fair share of porn, both western and Japanese. Most interesting I found by observing my own body while watching such material, is that the mind will totally let go of it when you watch it consciously. By that I mean, you may be drawn to porn initially by a strong emotional impulse, but if you really slow down and observe the mind and the body, and keep the movie secondary (best to lower the audio to minimum), then you find at some point the energy falls down and if you leave it at that, it does not linger in the mind.

I thought that was very interesting because in those days where I was worried of being addicted to porn, I read many resources from feminists and people fighting for banning of porn or certain representation of women, and I was largely unconvinced. More worrying I saw blogs of men who described themsevles as porn addicts, as if they had some kind of terrible diseases, and they would resort to religion (praying) or discussion groups (like alcoholic anonymous) to try to take it out of their life. I kept thinking how sad it is, that the very best way to "heal' themselves would have been to actually watch porn consciously rather than try to demonize it...

As for the Japanese porn I have seen, I agree it was more sensitive than the western type. Sometimes very inventive. My impression is that women are not treated as much as objects as they are in western porn, but there's all kinds of porn as has been mentioned so YMMV. I remember one scene with a girl who was sitting on a chair and wrapped in toilet paper, she looked like a mummy Smile Then one guy playfully sprayed her with a children plastic gun, which made the paper slowly fall down and reveal her perfect breasts and body. She smiled and laughed through it. It was like the ending scene. They then offered her a bouquet of flowers. Go find that in Western porn! I didn"t see any "sin" in there, I thought it was rather sensitive.
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#74
bodhisamaya Wrote:The novelty shops in Japan openly display things that I would hope are illegal in all other developed nations, and I don't want to list the things that are on those shelves just to prove a point. For me though, where Japan adult video stores cross the line into unhealthy are the sections openly devoted to kid related stuff.
why is it any of your business what I do in the privacy of my own bedroom?
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#75
Wow, I'm Fabrise and I are on the same page, who'da thunk it.

Demonizing our bodies, saying that it's wrong or gross or that we should feel guilty or that people who watch porn are sick, all that is bullshit.

As far as sex in Japan is concerned, the dichotomy is intense. On one hand, you have some of the most creative porn in the world coming out of Japan, as well as a number of sexual, but not pornographic industries (idols, jr. idols, soaplands, etc.) And outwardly, girls wear short skirts and show off their feathers as much as they can, but if you manage to pin one down she ends up being (psychologically, at least) somewhat ashamed of her body. Both in porn and, in my experience, in reality. When I visited Korea a few months ago, my friend and I caught a late night Japanese softcore porn movie about a wife who was so ashamed of her body that she refused to shower with her husband, or take off her nightgown in bed. At one point, there was this really odd scene where he had sex with her from behind, while she was still clothed in her nightgown, in bed, while she sort of buried her face in the pillow so she wouldn't have to look at herself.

I think part of the reason sex is controlled and demonized is because of the nature of class and control in society. If sex and our bodies were OK, all sorts of social institutions would break down (porn industry, material focus & fascination, religion, getting shit done in general, etc.), and additionally, more uneducated or underprivileged people would be having sex and there would be more people in those classes and thus more potential unrest and strain on the upper classes (which would be unacceptable to those in the upper classes who maintain a stranglehold on our society.)

Now, I'm not saying that all of this is the result of conscious or malevolent decision-making, but instead just that this is the way civilization has naturally evolved up to this point (in its infinite variation).

TLDR: Porn is good, as are our bodies. There's nothing wrong with sex. Men get a bum rap because in this day and age, every dad is potentially a pedophile in the eyes of a stranger. However, real pedophiles who harm children (physically or emotionally) are scum. Additionally, pretty much anyone who knowingly or purposefully harms anyone else is scum. (By harm here, I mean basically doing something against the wishes of someone else, whether it be as bad as hurting or killing someone, or as innocent as snapping an upskirt of the girl in front of you on the escalator.) However, people who watch or make Junior Idol or scat or (insert something you don't understand/find arousing/feel is "wrong"/etc.) DVDs aren't. Unless they are truly harming and exploiting someone (directly or indirectly), and then again, they are scum!
Edited: 2010-06-04, 10:33 am
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