Problem with polls like this is the question they ask and the way the person being polled understands the question. Though I guess it's hard to misunderstand "What's your belief in how life developed on this planet".

Here's the funny thing about Intellegent Design, if you worded it to describe "Do you believe alien lifeform(s) came to this planet and started the life cycle here" you'd get more no's than if just asked "Do you believe in the intelligent design theory". They're both the same, but one has the load meaning of being a euphumism for Creationist Theory (which itself is a loaded term in that it means fundamentalist Christian creationist theory).

Trust me, when you see signs like "Keep your government hands off my Medicare" it's obvious some people don't have a full grasp of the situation or the discussion.

nest0r Wrote:

Smackle Wrote:Grinkers and Surreal thought it was surprising to some extent too. I suppose nest0r is the personification of the entire internet and its users though.

In the time you spent writing this comment, you could've checked the veracity of my statement. Here's another one: A lot of people are talking about the oil spill in the gulf, and North Korea's sinking of a South Korean ship.

Yours,
The Internet

I've been out of the loop for a while, but I think there was some kind of drama recently between Jay Leno, Conan O'Brien, and NBC concerning the Tonight Show. Did any of you guys see this, did you hear about this?

IceCream Wrote:Germany's statistics surprised me, I thought it would be a lot closer to sweden etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavaria


As far as I can tell from.. well.. Youtube videos... creationism is also popular among some muslim groups. I'm no expert on this subject though.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/313/5788/765 (requires subscription)

This one poll conducted by Science asked different countries if they believed that current humans came from earlier life, and this is a graph of some of what they got. US, Japan, and 32 European countries were surveyed and US apparently had the second highest percent of people that said it was false, next to Turkey (25%).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...lution.svg

IceCream Wrote:yeah, the question must play some part, because on that link, it gives something like 78% in the UK beleive in evolution, rather than the 48% quoted above. Definately 48% seems too low to me, since the christian anglican church has never rejected evolution as far as i know, and that's the main form of christianity outside of northern ireland and places like that, i think.

Germany's statistics surprised me, I thought it would be a lot closer to sweden etc.

btw... does anyone know whether there are some factions of other religions that also stand against evolution? Or is it just fundamental christians?

I tried finding anything on shinto and evolution but my googling skills failed me. These two wikipedia articles (found by googling "islam evolution" and "hinduism evolution", respectively :p) should be able to help a bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_creationism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_views_on_evolution

The general impression I get is that there aren't any clear statistics on it and since evolution isn't taught the same way in the main countries being discussed it's hard to pose the same question as it may not have the same meaning to many of the followers of these two religions. There are some islamic "anti-evolutionists" but it seems less related to islam's history than it is to anti-western movements.

smackle: yeah eikyu already posted that

Surreal Wrote:smackle: yeah eikyu already posted that

Oh, oops! Sorry. I don't know if Shintoism is a big concern since it doesn't really have many modern day followers, mostly some that practice its customs.

Oh, but the Science article seemed to suggest that it wasn't really just religion but rather how it is politicized in the US that makes so many people deny evolution. I think I hinted at that in my other post about Alabama.

Stop stealing my links! I'm offended.


Shinto:

http://www.onsenmaru.com/book/B-300/B-332-tennousei.htm

日本では進化論とぶつかるのは天皇制だったのですね。イザナギとイザナミの国造り以来の万世一系を説き、少なくとも戦前には現人神（あらひとがみ）と言われた天皇が実は猿でしたと言うのでは確かにまずいですものね。

It conflicts with the divine origin of the Emperor.

Mcjon01 Wrote:

nest0r Wrote:

Smackle Wrote:Grinkers and Surreal thought it was surprising to some extent too. I suppose nest0r is the personification of the entire internet and its users though.

In the time you spent writing this comment, you could've checked the veracity of my statement. Here's another one: A lot of people are talking about the oil spill in the gulf, and North Korea's sinking of a South Korean ship.

Yours,
The Internet

I've been out of the loop for a while, but I think there was some kind of drama recently between Jay Leno, Conan O'Brien, and NBC concerning the Tonight Show. Did any of you guys see this, did you hear about this?

That was a well implemented South Park reference, well done. Especially since Conan is a ginger?

I watched the Conan O'Brien interview segment from that show '60 minutes'. He wore a blue shirt to show off his dazzling blue eyes, but I found myself staring at the vein around his lower right eye socket.

Did you hear about this?

Young Unwed Women Who Graduated From Private Religious Schools More Likely To Obtain Abortions

"Unwed pregnant teens and twenty-somethings who attend or have graduated from private religious schools are more likely to obtain abortions than their peers from public schools, according to new sociological research."

Abortion and religion and education. Discuss.

A creationism museum is a mockery of 2200 years of scientific progress. If we can't mock a mockery, then all is lost.

kazelee Wrote:

JimmySeal Wrote:Wow, and I thought it was just a joke from The Onion.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/creatio...x-skel,13/

And you believe something positive can come from this because?

I'm sorry. I mistakenly thought Koohii lounge was a place where we could casually express our thoughts and opinions. I was genuinely surprised that such a place exists, and I said as much. I also thought it was interesting that, like me, The Onion thought the the idea of a creationist museum was so inconcievable that they published a joke article about the concept four years before the actual Creation Museum was established.

I guess my expression of surprise was wrong and negative somehow. Sorry for the misunderstanding.