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Old News But... Texas Textbook Changes Approved

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/educat...texas.html

Quote:After three days of turbulent meetings, the Texas Board of Education on Friday approved a social studies curriculum that will put a conservative stamp on history and economics textbooks, stressing the superiority of American capitalism, questioning the Founding Fathers’ commitment to a purely secular government and presenting Republican political philosophies in a more positive light.
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#2
Quote:They also replaced the word “capitalism” throughout their texts with the “free-enterprise system.”

“Let’s face it, capitalism does have a negative connotation,” said one conservative member, Terri Leo. “You know, ‘capitalist pig!’ ”
I love the thought process here. Big Grin
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#3
Isn't their stuff that's more important for them to take care of?

Edit: Oh, I should have read further before posting..
Edited: 2010-05-26, 2:24 am
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"You can teach them to hate the things you hate. And they practically raise themselves, what with the Internet and all... " - Famous Quote

That latter bit actually gives me some hope.
Edited: 2010-05-26, 2:42 am
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#5
http://tfninsider.org/2010/05/21/christi...rinciples/

And all I can think is HURRRR DURRR HERP DERP
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#6
That the education system could decide to rewrite history books is astonishing to me. That it would actually pass and get done is ludicrous.

We've gone too far. We need to stop sheltering children from reality and start educating them again.
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#7
It's not about sheltering in this case, it's about indoctrination.
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#8
Public Education, oh yeah that's that thing that I went through that I will never let my children go near.

It's a damn shame too since I met most of my old friends in the public education system yet now don't really connect with them much. They took the propaganda to heart like most people seem to do. Oh well, my future is in Asia so let's make some new friends here, who have an entire new system(edit: actually not really, it's the same everywhere but they have also have propaganda in the way foreigners be treated and how to show your national pride to foreigners!, I mention this because I never really got that from Europeans, but then again European propaganda is pushing to blur past tensions and form a little European community, all headed by the Banks of course!--_ ) of propaganda!


No but on one point I want to be serious, why is it that almost all regular people accept public education and mainstream media. I mean if we think about what a would happen if a group of people are introduced to the same ideas, taught the same things in highly subjective ways, and then they go home and watch television shows full of false assumptions and human behavior that does not reflect reality. That's how we get a big group of stupid people who are outright government supporters and yet don't understand anything about it. Welcome to Modern Propaganda machine! But hacking out is one of the most self fulfilling activities that one can go through imo.

Am I an extremist? If you aren't sure listen to the media, they'll tell you how to think.
Edited: 2010-05-26, 7:17 am
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#9
I think a bigger problem than this individual case (in which the board consisted of a bunch of wackos), is why the hell are people who aren't historians deciding what should be covered in history class? There's a long history in America of schmucks getting to decide which textbooks are used and what should and should not be covered.

http://www.textbookleague.org/103feyn.htm??
Edited: 2010-05-26, 9:18 am
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Yonosa Wrote:Public Education, oh yeah that's that thing that I went through that I will never let my children go near.

It's a damn shame too since I met most of my old friends in the public education system yet now don't really connect with them much. They took the propaganda to heart like most people seem to do. Oh well, my future is in Asia so let's make some new friends here, who have an entire new system(edit: actually not really, it's the same everywhere but they have also have propaganda in the way foreigners be treated and how to show your national pride to foreigners!, I mention this because I never really got that from Europeans, but then again European propaganda is pushing to blur past tensions and form a little European community, all headed by the Banks of course!--_ ) of propaganda!


No but on one point I want to be serious, why is it that almost all regular people accept public education and mainstream media. I mean if we think about what a would happen if a group of people are introduced to the same ideas, taught the same things in highly subjective ways, and then they go home and watch television shows full of false assumptions and human behavior that does not reflect reality. That's how we get a big group of stupid people who are outright government supporters and yet don't understand anything about it. Welcome to Modern Propaganda machine! But hacking out is one of the most self fulfilling activities that one can go through imo.

Am I an extremist? If you aren't sure listen to the media, they'll tell you how to think.
In Swedish public education, the main point which is taught is to always be skeptical towards everything and facts are usually discussed more so than taught as facts. This is IMO how one should be educated, not only because it stops "facts" based on assumptions to spread among kids, but it's also good for any adult to be skeptical towards media for the reasons you state.
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#11
If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense.
もし私の世界があったら、何もかもバカげてるの
Nothing would be as it is, because everything would be as it isn’t.
ふつうのことは何もないの、だってすべてがふつうじゃないもの
And contrarywise, what it is, it wouldn’t be, and what it wouldn’t be, it would. You see?
だってすべてがあたりまえじゃないの ふつうのことがありえなくて ありえないことがふつうなの

-Texas Board of Edumacation
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#12
I don't think any public education system would ever be free of propaganda though, even the best examples included.
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Yonosa Wrote:No but on one point I want to be serious, why is it that almost all regular people accept public education and mainstream media. I mean if we think about what a would happen if a group of people are introduced to the same ideas, taught the same things in highly subjective ways, and then they go home and watch television shows full of false assumptions and human behavior that does not reflect reality. That's how we get a big group of stupid people who are outright government supporters and yet don't understand anything about it. Welcome to Modern Propaganda machine! But hacking out is one of the most self fulfilling activities that one can go through imo.
I think you just answered your own question! Regular people accept public education and media because they are the product of it.
Not speaking from experience, since I'm not American...
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#14
Yeah, but why can't they see through it, or rather it is much more a process of logical thinking, but I think it is rather easy to see that. I mean if they really thought about even for like just 1 day really really considered about it, it really is not that difficult to see, but then again since I'm not in the bubble I don't know. But thanks to the internet more and more people are realizing what is going on with the media. Hopefully they don't shut us down with Internet 2.0...

But the ones who are still plugged in don't they realize the decision making powers of all the media they view goes through, relatively speaking just a handful of men. So that means that what they hold so dearly as their culture is decided for them and spoon fed to them, and I think had they reasoned that they never had a chance to decide what culture or way of thinking they had wanted to pursue beforehand, that they might very well come upon similar conclusions to my own and many of those on the forums here. I mean it is sad to watch my mother watch the news, it's something like watching a Japanese variety show, blah,blah, blah...HAI!, blah, blah,blah... SOU DESU NE!... なんか. Also, the more frustrating thing is that talking with people in this type of situation has been nearly impossible in my personal experience. I think that comes from the fact that most people are unwilling to ever admit that they have spent a large amount of time/large portion of their lives believing/thinking/or putting their efforts into something that is not correct, or that they when the situation is better considered, do themselves disagree with. Much more like that they will hold even more and more tighly to their beliefs just as they are intended to by you know who. Shit, I admitted many such mistakes already in my life, and I have felt the pains of disconnecting, and still hold the scars of nationalist thinking, but it is getting better with time. But anyways, I'm just an extremist.


On a bit of an unrelated note, I also rather detest the common people's weird perception that the present situation will continue arbitrarily forever. I am speaking here in regards to the entire present system of employment and jobs, government, so called capitalism(which is just socialism and corporate government in disguise.) I mean can we really not see that computers and technology will very soon bridge the gaps making human labor virtually obsolete. When the robotics revolution occurs and I think it can't be more than 100 years off(considering that by 2020 a computer with the power to emulate the human mind will only cost $1000, and by 2030 only $1, google it up) I mean do regular people ever think about these things? I am honestly curious about that. I mean they just think of their roles as workers, and many of us here do too at the moment, but it is important we consider that humanity's role is not so rigid, and that soon the whole idea of what humans are, live, are governed, trade will have to be considered. Wealth gaps will have to be highly considered or when such a revolution occurs we will all simply be Human 1.0, ruled by Human Type 2, genetically enhanced, longer living beings that likely at some point will become a different effing species( this is all likely further off than 100 years though) with their robotic work force able to do whatever the hell they want and speeding up the development of resources, land, technology at a rate that today can not even be comprehended. Human 1.0 will be obsolte at some point. But wtf, their consideration of the future usually completely misses any historical lessons that could be applied. For them it goes something like this, go to church(optional), go to college, get a good job at a big company, buy a little house, have a little family, and live the same way we have lived before. I mean I might be an extremist but I think looking back in 50 years, we will see that yet again the extremists portray at least a somewhat more accurate representation than the shit fed by the mainstream.

Anyways, I'd love to hear your guy's views.

Edit again: Forgot to mention how governments spout, and the people believe that democracy is some ultimate form of government and that is nearly complete in its present form, I can't tell you how many times I get this type of crap. They just seem to forget that so far there have been no stopping points in reform throughout history, but now it is like some sort of period has been reached where humanity has reached it's pinnacle( I don't get that exactly but I get things along the line where it would not be far-fetched at all to assume that the said person holds these type of beliefs.) They should consider that Life is change, and we humans will continue to change.

Wow....this is totally a forum for learning japanese isn't it?

wow i read like a little part of this over and it's machigai de ippai! But I don't feel like fixing it, since it was just a rant.
Edited: 2010-05-26, 2:32 pm
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#15
... Sou desu ne.
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Yonosa Wrote:(considering that by 2020 a computer with the power to emulate the human mind will only cost $1000, and by 2030 only $1, google it up)
I did, and it seems like mostly it's about predictions that there will be computers with the kind of processing power that would be required to simulate the human mind, this doesn't mean that scientists will be able to design an AI that thinks like a human. In some ways it could probably be said to be as "advanced" as us, but likely it will be a whole different construction that doesn't process information the same way we do - that doesn't mean the outward behavior couldn't be made to be very human-like, of course.
And this is assuming that the predictions are right; you seem to be stating it as something that's for sure, but while it may be plausible I didn't find any major reports saying that the chance is more than 50% or anything.

Yonosa Wrote:For them it goes something like this, go to church(optional), go to college, get a good job at a big company, buy a little house, have a little family, and live the same way we have lived before. I mean I might be an extremist but I think looking back in 50 years, we will see that yet again the extremists portray at least a somewhat more accurate representation than the shit fed by the mainstream.
But a lot of people think they would be happy with that kind of life, and who are we to say that the current, "modern" way of living - comprised largely of things that less than the majority of Earth's population actually experiences - is better than the old ways? I'd imagine that despite technological advancement etc., many of these family-loving "commoners" actually will be able to live the "same way as before" with some slight modifications (stemming from immediate needs like environment protection,etc.), especially since, as you say, the majority seems to want it.
Wanting happiness and not thinking as deeply about the future of the world as you seem to be isn't that bad in itself, I think. Everyone has their own issues to deal with. Of course, I'd like as much as you for the 'average person' to value their time more, spend less time watching the teevee and actually think a second time when they do form opinions and make important choices.
But the dreams of idyllic family life and the magic of 平和な日々, that's not something I want to replace with dystopian worries.

To be honest, you give me vibes of a dude who thinks he's "figured it out", like you've "gotten out of the system" of the "mind masters", and you know exactly where we're going. And really, in all of the sites I found talking about mind-simulation there was mention of the opposite; we really don't know how much our world is gonna change, noone does. Even the "masters" can't totally predict and control the happenings of the world, because we're all, even they, humans that are much too irrational to be fully predicted and noone can possibly have a total understanding of the world. The more you know, the more you understand how little you know.

Edit: "How can like, an african-american person evolve from a white person?" Well dogg, lemme show you how, let's put you and a thousand other definitely white persons and let you stand out in the sun, see which ones fall over first, do you think maybe the ones with sliiightly darker skin would average longer? Now what do you think happens if we let the ones left standing make babies and then we do this over and over and over for millions of years, what do you think is gonna happen.
Why can't they just use explanations like these? I don't understand the talk about "ohhh but nooo, we can't SEE it happening", we see the processes every day!
Edited: 2010-05-26, 3:31 pm
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#18
Priceless Comic Relief. Sucks that they still teach this stuff in places. But then again don't get me started on religion!!...
to the vid link^^


but at surreal,
Nah, I dont think I have it figured out I am just saying the current system will likely be as temporary as the rest were... Also, I dont think I escaped, there is no escape, muahaha.

But nah mostly I was just ranting about some possibilities, about what could happen. But more than that it was a rant than anything as is later admited. I am actually finally learning to not argue with other people about thinks like propaganda and nationalism, most people cant think out of that. I mean in china my roommate refuses to believe Mao caused any deaths(let alone ten million, most people just rather not know things or deny things if it will force them to change their perspective I guess)... to give you an idea of where my rant comes from! ROAR!


At your EDIT, haha that is true though people might be able to realize things better.d
Edited: 2010-05-26, 3:39 pm
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#19
The big textbook-printing companies follow what texas does (since it is one of the biggest customers), meaning many, if not most, american schools will learn this Texas board of education agenda.
U - S - A! U - S - A! U - S - A! U - S - A!
(I'm a not american, thankfully)

Its funny because the skeptics guide to the universe podcast had been warning everyone about the texas board of education. Too late now, enjoy Smile
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Surreal Wrote:http://tfninsider.org/2010/05/21/christi...rinciples/

And all I can think is HURRRR DURRR HERP DERP
I don't understand why so many people think that America was founded by Christians and has always been governed by Christian principles.

Most of the Founding Fathers of this country weren't even Christians; some were even opposed to the Bible. Maybe I'm a stupid American, but my understanding of history says that America was founded on the principle of religious FREEDOM; NOT Christianity and Christianity alone...
Maybe people like the speaker in that video should do some research at some time or another. Really can do wonders for you. Perhaps this page is a good starting point:
http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html

And if this page isn't "legit" enough, maybe said people should do their own research. The real FACTS of American history can be found in a million places; one has but to seek them out.
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#21
Yeah but, but see, those quotes were all edited by the liberals to further their socialist agenda!
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#22
Regarding these textbook changes: I don't think it's that big of a deal as some people are making it out to be. Yeah, I think they should've included the part (and I honestly truly believe this; y'all should read some Lipsitz) of how racist and completely callous city-planners, federal housing staff, and landowners actively participated in the possessive investment in whiteness under conservative presidents, devastating entire inner-city minorty communities and continuing a systematic racism that so severely insults the legacy of our civil rights heroes and their aspirations, but they didn't. Instead they decided to go a little backwards and show things from a little different perspective. But it's not that anything is completely revisionist.

And an article that I agree with on this matter:
http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-gaggle...anges.html
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#23
IceCream Wrote:That quote by the boy at the end of the video smackle posted is just wrong on so many levels. Not only does it show that the teacher hasn't taught anything at all about the very logical way that evolution progresses, but also it shows that he doesn't even have the slightest idea of the direction in which evolution actually happenned, i.e. all people can be traced back to Africa.
Yeah that kid's comment is scary. "We're diffr'nt skeyend!" It just demonstrates that the teacher hasn't even tried to explain evolution, and has presented it with cynicism from the beginning.
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#24
It makes me sad to see my childhood dream of becoming an immortal robot god when I grow up being supported by Yonosa. It almost makes me think that I, too, must be crazy for holding on to it, but of course that can't be true.
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Yonosa Wrote:(considering that by 2020 a computer with the power to emulate the human mind will only cost $1000, and by 2030 only $1, google it up)
Unlikely. I'd bet that number comes from someone who misunderstands Moore's law (and the fact that it's a recognition of a trend that is now over, and not a real law), and then did some math with essentially baseless brain -> transistor analogies.

My computer in 2000 wasn't significantly slower than what I run now (top of the line laptop). Performance gains are on a downward curve. They aren't increasing exponentially, so in 10 years your computer will be marginally faster than your current computer, not be the several magnitudes of order faster that would be required to emulate the mind.

In 10 years molecular/bacterial/quantum computing will still be in the lab, not in the equivalent of today's netbook.
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