Hi,
Now that I'm finished with RTK, I'm going ot focus on vocab and grammar. Regarding vocab now I have a very good foundation about how to start but I'm dazzled about grammar. More to the point, I've started japanese for everyone, and it's pretty good in explaining grammar points. However as I understand it only takes you up until the JLPT level 3. Now. I use the older version of the book, which consisted of only one book, about 27 lessons, and 350 pages.
So my question is: in terms of japanese for everyone (the book), how many pages would cover the grammar up to JLPT2? (assuming it uses the same pace and detail in explaining grammar points). I only want to know how far is JLPT2 grammar from JLPT3 grammar expressed in some measurable way (other then required studying hours, because that's retarded )

Kanzen Master Nihongo Nouryoku Shiken Bunpou Mondai Taisaku 2Kyuu covers most of the grammar points which are needed for JLPT2 which aren't covered by JLPT4 and 3. It has 173 entries, many those entries have more than one section though because a certain expression might be used in several different situations.

Safe to say, there's a LOT to learn between JLPT3 and JLPT2, but it's a lot more specific. Between JLPT4 and 3, you have to learn basic keigo which is a pretty big concept for example.

Of course, I'm talking about the old JLPT3 and 2. With the new system, there's an added level between the olds JLPT3 and 2.

Raschaverak Wrote:So my question is: in terms of japanese for everyone (the book), how many pages would cover the grammar up to JLPT2? (assuming it uses the same pace and detail in explaining grammar points). I only want to know how far is JLPT2 grammar from JLPT3 grammar expressed in some measurable way (other then required studying hours, because that's retarded )

N2 grammar points in Japanese for Everyone?

Not much from N2 will be there at all. Maybe 10% will be covered.

Depending on your source you are looking at between 170-200 different grammar points for N2.

I used JFE, it's a great book but it doesn't even cover all of the old 3kyuu grammar let alone 2kyuu.

Yeah, don't sweat what JLPT 2 you get covered. Just do JFE as Genki 1&2, Tae Kim, JFBP 1-3, etc. all seem to cover upto JLPT 3. The choice you make just determines the resources you have available for that choice. All of them will have something that's in JLPT 1 and 2, but for all intents and purposes don't use them for that. Just think of those grammar points as bonuses you won't have to sweat as much later when you start formally covering JLPT 2.

When you're ready for JLPT 2, there's Dictionary of Intermediate Japanese Grammar (sentences for download on Anki). There's also the Kanzen Master book that Tobberoth mentioned. On top of that, there's vocabulary resources (smart.fm, some JLPT vocab lists, etc.) that you can call upon. This is way down the road, so just worry about JFE for now.

It's difficult to measure like that I think because with JLPT3 you have to get your head around the major tenses and levels of formality etc. JLPT 2 grammar (at least the N3 stuff I have been looking at) is really easy to understand / use but there's a lot more of it. I don't think I explained that very well :$

Best thing to do it to go to a bookshop and look at the unicom guides.

As a side note I kinda wish I had studied some of the N3 grammar points before I was done with the N4 stuff. They are just really easy and pretty common.