#1
Just something that popped into my head: Have something where you can tag cards, and once they reach a collective (or individual?) level of maturity (based maybe, or customizably, on the criteria of intervals of 20-some days or more?), you get some sort of notice?

What made me think of it was the 'How fast can you conjugate a verb?' thread: Asriel's comment got me thinking about how I posted about comprehensible output, and how perhaps you could have certain types of grammar cards (or just tag whatever you want that you feel is relevant to a grammar construction) where once you feel you've 'input' them enough, it's time to push just a little and try some production of that grammar point.

Likewise as described elsewhere, I 'prime' myself for subs2srs decks/media by extracting new words and learning them elsewhere (in simple smart.fm/KO2001 sentences or as individual words, etc.) to reduce overhead for listening/parsing native media, but sometimes I forget to refer back to the original media even when that group of words has already become quite mature. So having something that notifies me the group of words I took from episode X is 'mature' could be useful.

Edit: Also there's something many people have done in the past, where they switch a card from recognition to production after a point, this could be like a notification system to maybe reverse the cards (or cloze delete).
Edited: 2010-04-13, 5:38 pm
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#2
I'm surprised, and a little disappointed, that I never read that thread before.

I've always been more of an advocate of production being useful than some folks here. I remember one thread where one person said if they studied 3 hours a day, then all 3 hours would be for input, and only 1 hour (pushing it) on Sunday would be for production.

If I was being corrected on the output, then I would gladly spend way more time doing output. Not more than input, but more than 1 hour out of 21.

As for this about cards becoming mature...I would be way more intrigued with something built into the software, but this is my current process:
1. Find Words/Sentences
2. Put into Smart.fm
3. Once "mastered" or I get bored, import into Anki
---3a. Sentence = Reading; Vocab = Kanji Production
---3b. I've been toying with the idea of cloze delete cards, but nothing yet

As for subs2srs, how do you find the words you don't know without going through the whole thing? I just watch it and mark the time where the word I want to learn comes in and then delete everything else.

Edit (re: nest0r's Edit):
Notification turning/making production/cloze cards: I thought that was the point, not an afterthought?
Edited: 2010-04-13, 5:45 pm
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#3
I'm a bit offput I need to explain further because I don't want to distract and I thought the original post was general and clear (no offense), so hopefully this tangent won't make people go 'oh I don't use this method so the idea isn't good for me'...

I go through episodes and after narrowing down the parameters via subs2srs, I end up with a fraction of the lines from the episode. Then I select ~25 sentences, go through in the Anki browser, selecting words I don't know and sticking them into an individual card deck or looking them up in smart.fm and do my multisensory integration thing to learn them. After I've learned those words (they become mature), I then go back to the subs2srs deck, which I have set up as video clips on the front, so I just focus on listening and parsing. Very effective and fun for me. In the past I did entire episodes like that, but I prefer just collecting 25-100 sentences of many episodes/films to that. So now I have many overlapping decks so it's easy for me to lose track of what cards from what episodes are ready for me to switch over to the subs2srs deck.

Likewise with output, I didn't mean production cards, I meant output, however you want to apply it in general (e.g. microblogging), and it was referring back to grammar points in that context (i.e. conjugations). Thus it was worth adding in my edit that some people, for readings/input/whatever of words or grammar or anything, often mention switching to production cards (not necessarily output, period). That is to say, some people might do a bunch of sentences, learning readings, as recognition cards, then after a while they'll decide to switch to production in some form of those same cards (though some people also go both ways from the onset--Nukemarine?) I did so to emphasize that this maturity notification has a robust set of uses to it. For me, my main interest would be the first two I mentioned.
Edited: 2010-04-13, 6:05 pm
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#4
It wouldn't be too hard to make an Anki plugin to do this. I'll see what I can do post-exams (June).
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#5
So kind of a "ok, you should know this by now, why don't you go out and start using it" kind of thing? Like on lang8 or something?

The reason I thought cards were good was because it was the only form of 'corrected output' that I could think of, but I guess really anything where you receive native feedback should be just as good and/or better.

Whatever they decide to do with it, I think a "mature" notifier would be wonderful!
Some settings would be needed though, like 'when is it mature' and 'only do these tags' etc...
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#6
I was thinking along the lines of a plugin which gave you a list of all the tags and allowed you to select the ones you want to monitor. You would also specify what you meant by mature, such as "answered with '2' or above, 3 times in a row" or "no wrong answers for 20 days and the card is at least 30 days old".

Then each time you start Anki, or each day, the plugin checks the tags specified and gives you a popup if they have matured. You can then do what you want with the information (switch to a different card model, move the items to another study method altogether, etc).
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#7
@Blahah - That would be awesome. Pretty much exactly what I was thinking. My original interval reference was to Anki's guideline on card maturity, but different people will have different preferences.

@Asriel - Sorry, I got anxious the thread would tangentialamatiziate into a discussion of how complicated my subs2srs reference/monitor corpora strategy was, and we'd end up arguing the pros and cons of different methods, blah blah till anyone who came in here's eyes would glaze over, forgetting the OP.

But yes, you could keep things in the SRS and switch to cloze delete or production cards, you could go out and do microblogging of those points in a kind of o+1 fashion, doing so for grammar points or switching Recognition to Production for cards where you're learning readings (i.e. kanji-->kana becomes kana-->kanji after a while), whatever. And in my case or others who have multiple decks (or study areas not necessarily in the SRS) with cards that are thematically or otherwise connected, it can be conducive to maintaining timely workflow.
Edited: 2010-04-13, 6:40 pm
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