I've been playing around with RTK for a while now, making up and selecting the best stories, ect., and then making the best out of the whole thing...the results can be seen here in these sample pictures, I took randomly out of my version of RTK.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UXN8SULH or http://www.mediafire.com/?ynfyxm4bz2u

The pictures a probably quite crude, but the end result still can be seen. It's not that special, but just looking at it, in printed form, makes my heart feel warm I've got the whole book like this, shown in the sample pictures in the link above, including all the notes, hints, tips, whatsoever on the whole koohii site (in it's sate as of 2009.September), my own stories (where I had to make up my own), and of course in my opinion the best stories on the site for the remaining kanji. All fitted together, and divided into approximately equal parts (500 frames) in printed form. It's like a real book, you just have to sit down and learn it
Of course I'm aware of the fact, that it's completely unneccessary, and not very functional to invest those extra working hours into making the book look like this...but I just couldn't resist. And I just hate learning from the computer (excluding SRS, but that's not learning, it's just helping memorize what I've aleready learned).

Why not upload the pictures to a website like Tinypic or Photobucket? I am not comfortable with downloading things from people I don't know, but I do want to see what you've done.

Nothing dangerous in there, just 10 JPEG's ;P

Notes look really useful, I usually rely on the RevTK stories to point out anything wrong like when Heisig uses a bad keyword but I don't always check them and your notes seem to have extra stuff in there. Only thing I don't like is your LONG, LONG stories, or at least by my standards, I try to stick to 1 line stories as much as possible, dunno why but I always comes up with short stories and if it's long I end up writing down a summary of my story xD Like the story for the measuring box you got in there, looks like I could fit 10 of my stories in there.

Too bad you can't really share it though =/

"Why not upload the pictures to a website like Tinypic or Photobucket? "
Cause I wasn't aware of such possibilites back then. But heres's a link to photobucket with the sample pictures of my version of RTK: http://pbckt.com/sx.dm5Y
By the way thanks for the tip

"Only thing I don't like is your LONG, LONG stories, or at least by my standards, I try to stick to 1 line stories as much as possible, dunno why but I always comes up with short stories and if it's long I end up writing down a summary of my story"
From one point of view you're right. At first glance log texted stories do seem inefficient,
tiring just to read through, ect, ect. But that's not the point. If you recall in the first part of RTK Heisig's stories are just as long, if not longer...I'm not saying that the longer texted a story is, the better the picture you get with it, but it's not illogical to think like that.
Besides, it's not the lenght of the story that really matters, but the picture it describes. If it describes a fairly simple picture or event, but in great detail, than - in my opinion - it wins over the one line stories by far. Trust me, I've read almost every single posted story on kanji.koohii.com in 2009 July-August, for every frame, so I know what I'm talking about

"Too bad you can't really share it though"
I would like to, I'm just having some huuge legal concerns about it

P.S How can I quote other people's posts in my replys, so they are highlighted in those nice bold letters? I see a qute button, but I don't know how that works..

1. The photo link is not working.

2. Just click the Quote button in whoever's post you want to quote and it will go to a new window with the quote there and you can type under it.

Koos83 Wrote:1. The photo link is not working.

I wouldn't use such strong expression as "not working", more like it's not perfect
Seriously, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Please try cliking the link 10 times straight (one after another), if among those 10 tries none is working then I'll upload the package to another server.

Raschaverak Wrote:

TidusBlade Wrote:Only thing I don't like is your LONG, LONG stories, or at least by my standards, I try to stick to 1 line stories as much as possible, dunno why but I always comes up with short stories and if it's long I end up writing down a summary of my story

From one point of view you're right. At first glance log texted stories do seem inefficient,
tiring just to read through, ect, ect. But that's not the point. If you recall in the first part of RTK Heisig's stories are just as long, if not longer...I'm not saying that the longer texted a story is, the better the picture you get with it, but it's not illogical to think like that.
Besides, it's not the lenght of the story that really matters, but the picture it describes. If it describes a fairly simple picture or event, but in great detail, than - in my opinion - it wins over the one line stories by far. Trust me, I've read almost every single posted story on kanji.koohii.com in 2009 July-August, for every frame, so I know what I'm talking about

Yeah I remember the long detailed stories of part 1, some of them did stick in my brain but most of my stories were either shortened forms, something I read off here or something I made up. Maybe I'm doing it wrong or differently but I try to go from keywords to the kanji, the story is just my means of remembering the keywords which is why I like them short, anything too long and I start visualizing a scene, not my wanted keywords Not saying that they don't work, I just find it easier to remember shorter stories and they I don't have any problems remembering most kanji based on my stories, well more like one-liners but yeah.

Another thing, which is probably attributed more to badly written stories is that sometimes when the story is long, I end up remembering keywords which weren't in the kanji to begin with and I end up confused until I have to remember explicitly which elements from that story make up the kanji and which are there to add detail.

Guess it boils down to preference I guess, I tend to have bad memory so going through RtK I have really been surprising myself, and I still stick to shorter stories. But since you mentioned that a long story describing a simple clear picture is better I might try to go back and replace some of my really crappy stories that I always can't remember; the kanjis for tolerant, make a deal, possess and eventide instantly come to mind xD I eventually learn them by heart after failing them too many times but I'd rather remember them through stories. Stole your stories for focus and rise up if you don't mind

And btw, the photobucket link works perfectly for me...

The link works for me now as well. Why did you shorten it, though? Instead of just pasting the entire link: http://s842.photobucket.com/home/raschaverak/set/7030

Anyway, nevermind.

I guess what you do in the ebook is the same as I did on my paper flashcards. Except my stories were much, much shorter. Most of the story was in my head, not on my cards.

I learned early on to stick with one-sentence stories because the more words I used, the more likely it was that one or more of them would be misleading. And I also found that with practice I could generate a more vivd image with a single sentence story than with something more elaborate.

Your notes are very interesting, but I would imagine quite time consuming. I take it you're in no hurry? When I started RTK I was reading each kanji's entry in Halpern as I studied, which was interesting and fun, but ultimately too time consuming. I'm not into speed-learning, but it created a time lag that did interfere with my memorization

BJohnsen Wrote:I learned early on to stick with one-sentence stories because the more words I used, the more likely it was that one or more of them would be misleading.

Well, whatever floats your boat I guess. A one-sentence story can also create a vivid image I guess, but most of the time it's just not enough (at least for me). Besides that, if your story really is good, then it automatically places the keywords in 'strong positions' so you won't have to think too much about it in your mental image.
By your logic the simplest solution would be then, placing whatever keywords make up the kanji one after another in a line separated with a "+" sign, and a "=keyword" sign at the end, and just SRS the whole thing as it is.....

BJohnsen Wrote:Your notes are very interesting, but I would imagine quite time consuming. I take it you're in no hurry?

The notes are really just a sideshow really, nothing more, if I feel like I read them as well, more like an extra information. Searching for these kinds of notes takes time of course, but not that much. Anyway, I AM in a hurry with japanese, since it's not my life goal, or anything, and I've wasted way too much time on these kanj aleready But I just couldn't take it, to SRS stupid, meaningless stories, with absolute no image to picture. That's the same as swotting, and I hate swotting. Maybe I'm just to picky or something

Raschaverak Wrote:

BJohnsen Wrote:I learned early on to stick with one-sentence stories because the more words I used, the more likely it was that one or more of them would be misleading.

Well, whatever floats your boat I guess. A one-sentence story can also create a vivid image I guess, but most of the time it's just not enough (at least for me). Besides that, if your story really is good, then it automatically places the keywords in 'strong positions' so you won't have to think too much about it in your mental image.
By your logic the simplest solution would be then, placing whatever keywords make up the kanji one after another in a line separated with a "+" sign, and a "=keyword" sign at the end, and just SRS the whole thing as it is.....

Yeah, and that would be rote memorisation and basically the opposite of what Heisig intends with his method.

It's not a matter of having a long explanation, it's a matter of having a vivid mental image, not a good story.

Really; at the end of the book you'll find there are so many keywords which strongly resemble each other. You might have used some earlier in the long, long stories and they will totally confuse you. I have the same thing, and my stories were just 1 or 2 sentences. If this works for you; great. But keep those things in mind when you progress through the book.