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#1
Hi,
I'm really interested in making faster the way of acquiring information through reading.
Done some reseach on the internet, and found out about this technique called speed reading. Unfortunately the majority of the materials regarding this are either tied to some
sort of payment form the user's side, or they are free of charge but not too seful.
I'm curious if anyone here has mastered speed reading, and how. Does it really work?
What is the comprehension and recall rate of the speed read material compared to
normal reading? There could be different approaches, but from what I've read, the key
is to turn off the "sub-vocalizing" that is the inner sound in the head, reading out loud the text. That is the point where I can't get at the moment. If I don't sub-vocalize, then I don't really understand the text.
Also, is it possible to speed read in another, learned language? (not bilingual)?
Thoughts?
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#2
Here's my thoughts, somewhat: http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...1#pid92671

Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subvocaliza...ed_reading

If you want sources on stuff about the science of the reading process, particularly with regards to subvocalization and kanji and the like, and want to invest the time in reading science papers, etc., check out: http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=4612

The pseudoscientific models that scammers used with regards to reading are amazingly simplistic and off-base. The way I see it, it's not just pay stuff you have to watch out for these days, it's the attempts to build social currency (precursor to subscriptions, etc.) by offering limited 'free advice'--either misinformation or info that's available elsewhere that's spun and repackaged, guru-style and spreading it around those self-help life-hacking blogs, the way people like Ferriss do. Every other blogger wants to be your life coach, these days. /cynic

Having said that, be sure to buy my self-published book for more tips on how to avoid scammers! It includes all of my best forum posts.

Subvocalization as a language-learning tool is awesome, BTW: http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...4#pid92994

Skepdic offers good advice, with a hint of bathos: "Those desiring to increase the speed of their reading would do better to enroll in a community college course devoted to building study skills, vocabulary, and reading comprehension."
Edited: 2010-03-22, 4:22 pm
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#3
I've always thought speed reading was a least part scam. While you can glean the overall gist of a text by speed-reading it, unless you have eidetic memory you can't memorize the facts from it.

And you certainly won't enjoy reading a novel that way.

Focus on techniques that improve your reading speed, but don't promise 'speed reading' and you'll be best off.

BTW, the #1 free way to improve reading speed is to read. A lot. Every day.
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#4
One thing I always hate is the way that the term "subvocalization" is misused in those speed reading things; they always seem to think the term means moving your lips and sounding out each word as you read, but that's not what the term means at all. You can be reading faster than you can speak and still be subvocalizing, and subvocalizing does not necessarily mean that your lips move.

The claim that subvocalization slows down your reading has no basis in any sound research. It's doubtful that non-deaf native speakers of any language would be able to read without subvocalizing at all, no matter how fast they read. The fact that almost everybody learns to speak well before they learn to read means that even if there is a large visual component to reading, it's just not going to be possible to *completely* break the connection between sound and language in the brain the way the speed-reading gurus claim you can.

(once again I have tried to write something I didn't think nest0r would completely disagree with but I haven't read all his articles so I probably failed.)
Edited: 2010-03-22, 4:31 pm
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#5
I pretty much agree, y_t. ;p

To sum up and avoid pointing only to links:

From what I've gathered, there are parallel routes of visual<-->semantic, visual<-->phonetic, semantic<-->phonetic, and the visual<-->semantic aspect is different and stronger for kanji, but with kana and letters, i.e. phonograms, there are stronger mappings of sound and meaning. This means that while comprehension doesn't require the phonetic activation, it does occur in parallel and/or afterwards. In a study Dehaene participated in on 'subliminal convergence' of kanji and kana, there were suggestions that phonological activation occurs for kana even in the 'absence of awareness'. For kanji at least, it's just that it's not required as a prior mediator as thought in decades past before they started doing studies on logographs and deep dylsexia (Coltheart, et al.). Between what I've read of how people process letters and sublexical processes ("Science of Word Recognition", "Remarkable Inefficiency... ", "The Reading Brain"), I believe each letter requires individual serial processing, which are then converted to phonemes and the phonemes are blended or something like that. Even with the most common three-letter words. As one study put it, the order might be thought of as "graphemic parsing, graphophonemic conversion, phonemic blending." There was another study about the multiletter/serial thing as well.

But I think, especially from my own experience, the more familiar you are with those multiletter clusters, the less you need to rely on phonemic conversion or the faster it occurs to access meaning. That's why seemingly intuitive myths like that 'we read by word shape' occur. If you think of consciousness as having this working memory that allows us to 'rehearse' (articulatory rehearsal in the phonological loop--with strong connections to sensorimotor processes that are even stronger in deaf folks) information, it's like we're repeating this stuff louder and louder in our minds depending on our skills/volition, hence subvocalization, all the way up to moving our lips and the like. I think once you're comfortable in a language, this self-referential process is greatly reduced, but it's something that requires familiarity with the words and overall reading skills, in my estimation.

If you're trying to force this rather than letting it come naturally, it's a tricky situation, because you're essentially hamstringing yourself and reducing lexical access routes, given how the letter-sound/meaning thing works (i.e. if you've learned the written language by focusing on mapping sounds to phonograms). Better to focus on learning the language--in fact focusing more on subvocalization until you 'learn/master/dissolve' the process and overt self-representation is minimal, when you need to sacrifice comprehension for speed--and developing strategies at enhancing your working memory capacity by chunking and developing retrieval structures, etc. (see previously linked comments).

The rest is just reading strategies you'll pick up anyway--how much 'backlooping' of a text you need to process words, the eye's field of vision, typography/orthography, and how you make use of those constrained processes of fixations and saccades, understanding common collocations and sentence structures and the way information is presented...

I wrote this kind of in a jumble and my memory sucks, hopefully I didn't forget or contradict ideas I already had/read. Bleh. I'll be like ta121212 and blame first-language attrition from learning Japanese for any mistake I make. ;p
Edited: 2010-03-22, 8:21 pm
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#6
yudantaiteki Wrote:One thing I always hate is the way that the term "subvocalization" is misused in those speed reading things; they always seem to think the term means moving your lips and sounding out each word as you read, but that's not what the term means at all. You can be reading faster than you can speak and still be subvocalizing, and subvocalizing does not necessarily mean that your lips move.

The claim that subvocalization slows down your reading has no basis in any sound research. It's doubtful that non-deaf native speakers of any language would be able to read without subvocalizing at all, no matter how fast they read. The fact that almost everybody learns to speak well before they learn to read means that even if there is a large visual component to reading, it's just not going to be possible to *completely* break the connection between sound and language in the brain the way the speed-reading gurus claim you can.

(once again I have tried to write something I didn't think nest0r would completely disagree with but I haven't read all his articles so I probably failed.)
O'Hai Smile I'm one such deaf fellow Tongue I would like to confirm that I believe that I don't really sub-vocalize... at least as far as I understand it.

But anyway I do agree that there is a large amount of visual component, for myself when I read, like I said in the "deaf thread", I tend to visually see "concepts/actions" for words that have something that is visualize-able, then for ones that are more nebulous/abstract I tend to get a feeling/see/feeling of the word itself...

Something like that I suppose...

But anyway... I seem to manage on an average 50 page a hour for tougher materials, while the easier ones and/or interesting materials, i can hit up to over 100 page a hour... However that is an highly variable standard of measurement because it depends on the page size, the print size, content, etc etc... But needless to say I think I read on the moderately fast to fast side of the hill.

[edit]: Goddamn smilies and added a bit more content
Edited: 2010-03-22, 6:22 pm
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#7
Word of the Thread:

速読
そくどく
(n,vs) speed reading

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#8
right so i just need to memorize that and that's two 音読み and one word learnt Big Grin
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#9
Fishface Wrote:right so i just need to memorize that and that's two 音読み and one word learnt Big Grin
While you're at it you might as well learn the more useful 読書 - どくしょ - reading (as in, reading books).
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#10
If you want to tag on more vocab, please learn 速度 (そくど) in addition to that.
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#11
ruiner Wrote:Word of the Thread:

速読
そくどく
(n,vs) speed reading

Audio
Wow- そくどく sounds just like "the audio for this clip is currently unavailable and will be uploaded shortly" Wink
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#12
There's a textbook called 速読の日本語, but there 速読 doesn't refer to the speedreading being talked about in this thread, but just reading something as fast as you can without stopping to look up words and such.
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#13
captal Wrote:
ruiner Wrote:Word of the Thread:

速読
そくどく
(n,vs) speed reading

Audio
Wow- そくどく sounds just like "the audio for this clip is currently unavailable and will be uploaded shortly" Wink
It works fine for me. You're doing something wrong! But how, just click the bloody link. ;p I can even right-click and save and play the mp3.
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#14
yudantaiteki Wrote:There's a textbook called 速読の日本語, but there 速読 doesn't refer to the speedreading being talked about in this thread, but just reading something as fast as you can without stopping to look up words and such.
I get the impression from Google results of training products that it can be used to mean the same kind of gimmicky 'speed reading'.

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%80%9F%E...D%E8%A1%93

By the way, found this old article: http://web.archive.org/web/1999050811134...speed.html

No one diss speed reading until you've seen proof!
Edited: 2010-03-22, 9:57 pm
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#15
ruiner Wrote:
captal Wrote:
ruiner Wrote:Word of the Thread:

速読
そくどく
(n,vs) speed reading

Audio
Wow- そくどく sounds just like "the audio for this clip is currently unavailable and will be uploaded shortly" Wink
It works fine for me. You're doing something wrong! But how, just click the bloody link. ;p I can even right-click and save and play the mp3.
Weird. It doesn't work in Chrome but works just fine in Firefox.
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#16
captal Wrote:
ruiner Wrote:
captal Wrote:Wow- そくどく sounds just like "the audio for this clip is currently unavailable and will be uploaded shortly" Wink
It works fine for me. You're doing something wrong! But how, just click the bloody link. ;p I can even right-click and save and play the mp3.
Weird. It doesn't work in Chrome but works just fine in Firefox.
Maybe related to unicode in the URL?
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#17
Yup, that's the problem. Here's the encoded URL for people who want to hear this exciting exciting audio clip: clicky
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#18
ruiner/nest0r, thank you for the summary. I don't read all your posts but it's nice to get a quick summary like this.

ruiner Wrote:I believe each letter requires individual serial processing, which are then converted to phonemes and the phonemes are blended or something like that. Even with the most common three-letter words. As one study put it, the order might be thought of as "graphemic parsing, graphophonemic conversion, phonemic blending." There was another study about the multiletter/serial thing as well.

But I think, especially from my own experience, the more familiar you are with those multiletter clusters, the less you need to rely on phonemic conversion or the faster it occurs to access meaning. That's why seemingly intuitive myths like that 'we read by word shape' occur.
If you have the time, could you say a bit more about this? Like many people I've read the "scrambled words" texts where you can still recognize the words. Are you saying that there is individual letter processing (serial) even if it happens very quickly? How does this mesh with visual recognition of kanji? Are kanji recognized "instantly" (graphically), but not words?
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nyquil Wrote:Like many people I've read the "scrambled words" texts where you can still recognize the words. Are you saying that there is individual letter processing (serial) even if it happens very quickly? How does this mesh with visual recognition of kanji? Are kanji recognized "instantly" (graphically), but not words?
The Cambridge scrambled text thing was debunked. We are able to read English quickly because the shape of the word is recognized quickly, instead of recognizing each individual character. There are ways to arrange that scrambled paragraph that still follow their rules (keep first and last letter the same) but yet make it very hard to read.

That's also why something written in ALL CAPS is so much slower for us to read.

Since most kanji are basically a square (as far as outer shape goes), I'm not sure if the same process works for it as for English. I suspect it's not just the outer shape that your brain uses, but also whitespace inside as well. In that case, it would work the same for kanji.

Further complicating matters is that Japanese text is supposed to run vertical instead of horizonal, but can also run horizontal. In my studies, I haven't really had any trouble with recognizing words learned way one and read the other way, though.
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wccrawford Wrote:The Cambridge scrambled text thing was debunked. We are able to read English quickly because the shape of the word is recognized quickly, instead of recognizing each individual character. There are ways to arrange that scrambled paragraph that still follow their rules (keep first and last letter the same) but yet make it very hard to read.
Actually that's a bit what I meant. I stayed on the impression that we recognize the shape of the words, but ruiner talks about serial letter processing and the myth that 'we read by word shapes', which is why I'm curious.

Quote:Further complicating matters is that Japanese text is supposed to run vertical instead of horizonal, but can also run horizontal. In my studies, I haven't really had any trouble with recognizing words learned way one and read the other way, though.
Actually after spending quite a lot of time on horizontal texts (Anki sentences and textbooks or online content), it did take me small amount of time to get used to vertical when I started reading novels. But now it eems my brain got used to it and either way is fine.
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#21
wccrawford Wrote:Since most kanji are basically a square (as far as outer shape goes), I'm not sure if the same process works for it as for English. I suspect it's not just the outer shape that your brain uses, but also whitespace inside as well. In that case, it would work the same for kanji.

Further complicating matters is that Japanese text is supposed to run vertical instead of horizonal, but can also run horizontal. In my studies, I haven't really had any trouble with recognizing words learned way one and read the other way, though.
I think it depends, because isn't Kanji in general "more" dense information wise than say Latin? A good example would be twitter which is based on the number of character, and the CJK languages can pack in more information within that character limit as compared to say English?

So even if you actually do *read* slower than you would read a Latin based language it would end up about equalized, because of the information density per character is much higher.
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pharaun Wrote:I think it depends, because isn't Kanji in general "more" dense information wise than say Latin? A good example would be twitter which is based on the number of character, and the CJK languages can pack in more information within that character limit as compared to say English?

So even if you actually do *read* slower than you would read a Latin based language it would end up about equalized, because of the information density per character is much higher.
I think the distance your eyes travel tends to be less for CJK languages, but 1 word is still 1 word.

Since I've never had a problem with my eyes not moving fast enough to read at a good speed, I doubt that it's a factor in how fast you can read the language. Wink
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wccrawford Wrote:
pharaun Wrote:I think it depends, because isn't Kanji in general "more" dense information wise than say Latin? A good example would be twitter which is based on the number of character, and the CJK languages can pack in more information within that character limit as compared to say English?

So even if you actually do *read* slower than you would read a Latin based language it would end up about equalized, because of the information density per character is much higher.
I think the distance your eyes travel tends to be less for CJK languages, but 1 word is still 1 word.

Since I've never had a problem with my eyes not moving fast enough to read at a good speed, I doubt that it's a factor in how fast you can read the language. Wink
Yeah I know, when I read I'm not even straining my eyes to read the 'input' as fast as my brain wants it. I was talking more about the "processing/information density" of each character/word in Kanji as versus to say Latin.

But to clarify what I meant by that comment/post earlier is that when I read a "word" in Latin, my brain has to decode the shape of the word anyway right? Wouldn't the decoding process be some what similar for Kanji's? Like you see this "shape/symbol" your brain go oh that's "this" word for example.

I guess the more complicatedness of the component Kanji's would make processing time slower than the processing of each Latin letters, but from what I've read above and from other sources most of the time we read Latin words by their "shape" anyway so it seems like it would be chunked up into "words".
Edited: 2010-03-23, 9:10 am
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pharaun Wrote:Yeah I know, when I read I'm not even straining my eyes to read the 'input' as fast as my brain wants it. I was talking more about the "processing/information density" of each character/word in Kanji as versus to say Latin.
A character in Japanese has more information density, but a word doesn't. Since we read whole words, the density is the same.

pharaun Wrote:But to clarify what I meant by that comment/post earlier is that when I read a "word" in Latin, my brain has to decode the shape of the word anyway right? Wouldn't the decoding process be some what similar for Kanji's? Like you see this "shape/symbol" your brain go oh that's "this" word for example.

I guess the more complicatedness of the component Kanji's would make processing time slower than the processing of each Latin letters, but from what I've read above and from other sources most of the time we read Latin words by their "shape" anyway so it seems like it would be chunked up into "words".
Right. I think overall the speed is the same, because of this.
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#25
IceCream Wrote:i see stuff around about speed reading on this site a lot, but... i've never really understood the reason why you'd want to speed read?
It seems to me that scanning is important, so you can pick out quickly words that relate to whatever you're looking for, or give you an overall view of the text to let you know if it's worth reading... but if you're reading something for real, why wouldn't you want to spend a long time over it, understanding it in depth, making notes, questioning, & thinking about what you're reading?
Otherwise, isn't reading a summary of a text just better all round?
If such a summary exists, and includes all the specific info you want, I'm sure it's better... It's sad that life rarely provides adequate summaries.
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