Aijin Wrote:If you studied all day every day, or had a previous background in the language in addition to the mass studying.

Doesn't need to be mass. Proper time boxing will allow you maximize study time while taking necessary breaks that are actually beneficial to learning.

Quote:But truly learning all that material in a month is not going to happen

Obviously. Grammar can't be drilled.

Quote:anyone can speed through things if they spend enough time and devotion on it, but rushing through things at such unnecessary speeds will only maim you in the long run in my opinion.

How so? Using a music analogy, how would a person be maimed by studying theory, chords and scales for a month and then moving on to actual music pieces as opposed to just studying scales, chords, and theory for two years straight?

Quote:Better to truly understand and grasp something over two years than blow through it in a month and barely have any control over it.

That's not necessarily the case. It is very well possible to not have control over those two years. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that is certainly the case. My reasoning: each new grammar piece requires a certain amount of time to "truly learn." If each new grammar piece requires a certain amount of time to master, how is this individual in more control when it seems there is no control. Setting an arbitrary and hypothetical time to mastery of about 2 years, the individual who goes through all the material in one month would have mastery of the entire material after those 2 years, while the person who went through slowly would not have mastery of all the concepts covered until around 4 years later (2 years added on to the 2 year drudging). On top of that the first individual would have a substantially larger passive vocabulary.

I think the focus should be on measuring one's individual limits. If you can go through genki in a month, go for it. However, you won't know until you try.

Well I just skimmed through げんき 1 and 2 and the only thing in book one that I need to work on is vocabulary. (100 words at most) I understand 80% of the grammar in book but I have 100-300 words to work on. The vocabulary isn't "new" but they are definitely NOT in my active vocabulary. (The first words you learn are 人類学, 経済) I think I can finish this without much problem in a month, especially since I knew 500~ish kanji before I even started RTK.


mezbup,

"*handpalm*" --> *facepalm*
I phail. XD


--By the way, for those who have finished RTK how long did you continue reps after adding 巳? 1 month, 2 months?

gyuujuice Wrote:--By the way, for those who have finished RTK how long did you continue reps after adding 巳? 1 month, 2 months?

Never stopped, so a little over 2 years so far.

Nukemarine Wrote:

gyuujuice Wrote:--By the way, for those who have finished RTK how long did you continue reps after adding 巳? 1 month, 2 months?

Never stopped, so a little over 2 years so far.

A month or two, for me. When the last batch felt 'mature' and I felt I wasn't getting anything from RTK reps that I couldn't get from sentences/words.

Nukemarine Wrote:

gyuujuice Wrote:--By the way, for those who have finished RTK how long did you continue reps after adding 巳? 1 month, 2 months?

Never stopped, so a little over 2 years so far.

Heed this advice: don't ever stop.

mezbup Wrote:

Nukemarine Wrote:

gyuujuice Wrote:--By the way, for those who have finished RTK how long did you continue reps after adding 巳? 1 month, 2 months?

Never stopped, so a little over 2 years so far.

Heed this advice: don't ever stop.

ruiner Wrote:

Nukemarine Wrote:

gyuujuice Wrote:--By the way, for those who have finished RTK how long did you continue reps after adding 巳? 1 month, 2 months?

Never stopped, so a little over 2 years so far.

A month or two, for me. When the last batch felt 'mature' and I felt I wasn't getting anything from RTK reps that I couldn't get from sentences/words.

No no, heed this advice (well, description of personal experience, nearly two years after completing RTK, with no kanji-related problems): Stop!

See, I can give commands too. What works for me works for you, always. Obey.

OK, was still working on keeping the last 50 up anyways.
Thanks for the advice--even if they are conflicting.

gyuujuice Wrote:OK, was still working on keeping the last 50 up anyways.
Thanks for the advice--even if they are conflicting.

For what it's worth, there's a whole thread about this... here's my main comment in that thread: http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...1#pid59071

On an earlier page, Nukemarine had an interesting idea--to use statistics in Anki to 'scrub' kanji from the RTK deck that end up in your vocabulary/sentence decks. Personally I didn't have any trouble just sweeping them all aside and just focusing on integrating with words and sentences, as I describe above, but it's worth mentioning, nonetheless. Hell, after finishing Core 2000/KO2001 to learn readings--which was the bulk of my focus once I moved past RTK, I don't even bother focusing on those so much either, because I get so much repetition/practice through new decks and input elsewhere.

Once again, no side-effects or trouble there for me, but it depends on your methods. I always write out new words once or twice, often see keywords in Rikaichan definitions, never really had trouble remembering stories and when I did I was so good at the method at that point and relearning was so easy, I just made a new one up in a couple seconds and mixed it into the actual Japanese vocabulary meaning/readings. Ditto with new kanji. I 'own' this orthography now, even for unfamiliar encounters. So I like to think.

Dash it all. I just finished a years-long project and have been using this cheer and fresh mental energy I have lately to blitz the forum with comments. Must take a hiatus before I overtake Tobberoth too in # of posts...

ruiner Wrote:

mezbup Wrote:

Nukemarine Wrote:Never stopped, so a little over 2 years so far.

Heed this advice: don't ever stop.

ruiner Wrote:

Nukemarine Wrote:Never stopped, so a little over 2 years so far.

A month or two, for me. When the last batch felt 'mature' and I felt I wasn't getting anything from RTK reps that I couldn't get from sentences/words.

No no, heed this advice (well, description of personal experience, nearly two years after completing RTK, with no kanji-related problems): Stop!

See, I can give commands too. What works for me works for you, always. Obey.

I will always continue to do kanji reps and on another note, that goes for my sentence,vocab,etc decks until i feel i'm truly "fluent" in japanese. Then once that's done, then i will stop srsing or at least, make it really small it makes it insignificant in time-management wise. But i doubt i'll stop srsing for a very long time. As i want to go onto Mandarin after japanese.

ruiner Wrote:

mezbup Wrote:

Nukemarine Wrote:

gyuujuice Wrote:--By the way, for those who have finished RTK how long did you continue reps after adding 巳? 1 month, 2 months?

Never stopped, so a little over 2 years so far.

Heed this advice: don't ever stop.

ruiner Wrote:

Nukemarine Wrote:Never stopped, so a little over 2 years so far.

A month or two, for me. When the last batch felt 'mature' and I felt I wasn't getting anything from RTK reps that I couldn't get from sentences/words.

No no, heed this advice (well, description of personal experience, nearly two years after completing RTK, with no kanji-related problems): Stop!

See, I can give commands too. What works for me works for you, always. Obey.

Yes, but you said that continue to do writing practice of the kanji through sentences/vocab? That's the same thing... I'm talkin bout if you stop doing reps and don't focus on writing then you'll lose a lot of it. Of course if you substitute the reps with writing out real vocab you won't lose any ability because you're still utilizing the knowledge.

What I was saying is; in one way, shape or form, keep it up.

mezbup Wrote:

ruiner Wrote:

mezbup Wrote:Heed this advice: don't ever stop.

ruiner Wrote:A month or two, for me. When the last batch felt 'mature' and I felt I wasn't getting anything from RTK reps that I couldn't get from sentences/words.

No no, heed this advice (well, description of personal experience, nearly two years after completing RTK, with no kanji-related problems): Stop!

See, I can give commands too. What works for me works for you, always. Obey.

Yes, but you said that continue to do writing practice of the kanji through sentences/vocab? That's the same thing... I'm talkin bout if you stop doing reps and don't focus on writing then you'll lose a lot of it. Of course if you substitute the reps with writing out real vocab you won't lose any ability because you're still utilizing the knowledge.

What I was saying is; in one way, shape or form, keep it up.

Oh, well. Okay then. But I only write stuff I'm fuzz--yeah OK, we're on the same.... right then. *huffs off*