On the first post of this tread the Nukemarine describe the steps for JLPT guide. I'm interested in this guide using optimized core 2k - my question - is for the N3 level I have to reach ~2500 cards?

vebaev Wrote:On the first post of this tread the Nukemarine describe the steps for JLPT guide. I'm interested in this guide using optimized core 2k - my question - is for the N3 level I have to reach ~2500 cards?

I think that is what the first post is saying, but I passed N3 this december and I doubt it's doable with only 2000 something words. And really when you check this page,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-La....932009.29

if you make a virtual average between the old N3 and N2 (ie the actual N3), you get around 4000 words and that seems really more accurate. Especially when you know the pass rate overseas is like 40%, better be safe than sorry.

Is there a guide explaining about the .media folder? I can't seem to find it, so I have no clue where to put those downloaded files.

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killerzwithpancakes Wrote:Is there a guide explaining about the .media folder? I can't seem to find it, so I have no clue where to put those downloaded files.

My Documents/Anki/<Profile Name>/collection.media

Since core decks are not available in anki anymore, I wonder if there can be an alternative guide/path for us Beginners?

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Reason for deletion: Unnecessary post.

The Core decks are still available if you look for them well enough. There was someone looking for them at Reddit.

i have a really dumb question here. what should i do with those spreadsheets? you know, i'm a super noob here. how to make those spreadsheets into anki decks?

Have you read the manual?
http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html#importing

not yet....V_V but nevermind i just got my answer here http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...#pid165665 ( tho it's really complicated V_V )

I think what you linked is a method for reordering that dates from before the optimized deck (and the anki plugin "sort by column"). The actual core spreadsheet is now optimized, pretty sure all you have to do is copy the spreadsheet, get rid of the columns you don't want and import.

Hello, This guide is very helpful.

Quote:RTK using 2001KO 1-555 Kanji; for Anki deck unsuspend KO2k1 field 001-555

Does that mean I should follow Heisig's method and to learn the kanjis with id between 001-555 according to KO2k1 ?
But I thought that Heisig's method only works if you learn the kanjis following the his order, not a different one, isn't that the case ?
Also since It's Heisig's method, then no need to also learn the readings right ?

Jirachier Wrote:Does that mean I should follow Heisig's method and to learn the kanjis with id between 001-555 according to KO2k1 ? But I thought that Heisig's method only works if you learn the kanjis following the his order, not a different one, isn't that the case ?

Well that depends on how you want to study. You could follow rtk verbatum and learn to write 2000+ kanji from memory then learn vocabulary readings and learn a bunch grammar points before you ever get to use anything you've learned. That would be one way suggested by folks like khatzumoto.

Another way would be to learn the most useful kanji, vocabulary, and grammar first so you would be able to use at least understand some simple japanese a lot sooner. Then gradually build your skills up so that more and more japanese is accessable to you. That's another way.

What nukemarine did in the 1st post was divide up the kanji, vocab, and grammar into rough chunks that correlate to the JLPT levels. This isn't exactly rtk order. From my experience, rtk order is much more important if you are learning to write as james heisig suggests. However many people choose to study recognition (i.e. kanji -> keyword) where rtk order is useful, but not as important as keyword -> kanji.

Jirachier Wrote:Also since It's Heisig's method, then no need to also learn the readings right ?

No. You need to learn the readings too. You may or may not need to learn the 'yomi' readings, but you'll need you learn how each kanji is read within the words they are in. The only thing that RTK I does is help you recognize a kanji as different from another kanji and helps you remember how to write the kanji. It also helps you remember the meanings of some kanji, but not all of them as many kanji have multiple meanings.

Quote:No. You need to learn the readings too. You may or may not need to learn the 'yomi' readings, but you'll need you learn how each kanji is read within the words they are in. The only thing that RTK I does is help you recognize a kanji as different from another kanji and helps you remember how to write the kanji. It also helps you remember the meanings of some kanji, but not all of them as many kanji have multiple meanings.

Do you mean that I need to learn the readings of the individual kanjis as I learn them, or just learn the kanji meaning/writing then learn words made of those kanjis and how they're read ?
Trying to learn 5-7 individual readings for each kanji seems like a daunting task.

Jirachier Wrote:Do you mean that I need to learn the readings of the individual kanjis as I learn them, or just learn the kanji meaning/writing then learn words made of those kanjis and how they're read ?
Trying to learn 5-7 individual readings for each kanji seems like a daunting task.

Yeah I think yogert implied "later on": you do Heisig, learn the kanji and then "later on" you learn the readings. Note some people do learn some on'yomi while they learn kanji but that's not the orthodox Heisig (I like the orthodox way personally).

EratiK Wrote:

Jirachier Wrote:Do you mean that I need to learn the readings of the individual kanjis as I learn them, or just learn the kanji meaning/writing then learn words made of those kanjis and how they're read ?
Trying to learn 5-7 individual readings for each kanji seems like a daunting task.

Yeah I think yogert implied "later on": you do Heisig, learn the kanji and then "later on" you learn the readings. Note some people do learn some on'yomi while they learn kanji but that's not the orthodox Heisig (I like the orthodox way personally).

Sorry to ask again But I'm still confused. Let me make question clearer:
Do I just need to learn the reading and writing of the first 555 Kanjis suggested by NukeMarine, then I move on to the 500 vocab and learn things as word => reading of the entire word. Or do I still need to learn the individual readings of kanjis.
For example do I need to first learn the readings of 今 and 年, or can I just learn how 今年 is read as a whole even if I don't know which part of the reading corresponds to which of the two kanjis ?

Jirachier Wrote:For example do I need to first learn the readings of 今 and 年, or can I just learn how 今年 is read as a whole even if I don't know which part of the reading corresponds to which of the two kanjis ?

Just learn how 今年 is read as a whole. You'll automatically start noticing patterns pretty quickly.

Jirachier Wrote:

EratiK Wrote:

Jirachier Wrote:Do you mean that I need to learn the readings of the individual kanjis as I learn them, or just learn the kanji meaning/writing then learn words made of those kanjis and how they're read ?
Trying to learn 5-7 individual readings for each kanji seems like a daunting task.

Yeah I think yogert implied "later on": you do Heisig, learn the kanji and then "later on" you learn the readings. Note some people do learn some on'yomi while they learn kanji but that's not the orthodox Heisig (I like the orthodox way personally).

Sorry to ask again But I'm still confused. Let me make question clearer:
Do I just need to learn the reading and writing of the first 555 Kanjis suggested by NukeMarine, then I move on to the 500 vocab and learn things as word => reading of the entire word. Or do I still need to learn the individual readings of kanjis.
For example do I need to first learn the readings of 今 and 年, or can I just learn how 今年 is read as a whole even if I don't know which part of the reading corresponds to which of the two kanjis ?

For what I've seen on this forum most people learn readings of kanji by a side-effect of learning whole compounds words, while some users learn readings separately (look at the site "kanjidamage" for example).

It makes no sense to learn 5-7 individual readings for each kanji, but it could be useful to learn those readings (most of the time it's only one reading) used in compounds most of the time.

Take this kanji as an example: 抜

- it has one kunyomi, ぬ・く for which makes no sense to study it with the kanji, because you learn it together with the word itself "抜く" (and all its variants like 抜ける and so on... where 抜 reads allways as "ぬ"). So you will learn this reading only when you will learn this particular word. No need to learn 抜 -> ぬ・く as a separate thing;

- it has three onyomi, but two of them are rare readings. So this means that most of the time, if not ever, that the kanji 抜 appears in a compound, it reads as "ばつ" (and sometimes it became ばっ) so it could make sense to study this reading with the kanji itself. You don't have to learn explicitly 抜 -> ばつ (personally I did it and I found it very useful) but when you learn a compound word with this kanji make sure you see which part of the reading of the word pertains to which kanji.

For example if you learn the word 選抜 (せんばつ) try to associate 選 to せん and 抜 to ばつ so when you learn a new word with 抜, like 抜群 (ばつぐん) you recognize the first kanji as "the same kanji who reads ばつ in せんばつ.
If you know the individual kanji readings most used in compounds this will make ten times easier to learn new words with the same kanji. Or at last this is my experience, but anyone learning method is different.

Jirachier Wrote:Do I just need to learn the reading and writing of the first 555 Kanjis suggested by NukeMarine, then I move on to the 500 vocab and learn things as word => reading of the entire word. Or do I still need to learn the individual readings of kanjis.
For example do I need to first learn the readings of 今 and 年, or can I just learn how 今年 is read as a whole even if I don't know which part of the reading corresponds to which of the two kanjis ?

Like said above, a lot of us like learning readings from words. But you always have to know how to decompose the readings: for example let's take 今年,　reading kotoshi, you need to know it's ko-toshi and not koto-shi.

That said when you begin a lot of words are single kanji, like 今 ima (now) and 年 toshi (year), so you learn some individual readings that way too.

EratiK Wrote:

Jirachier Wrote:Do I just need to learn the reading and writing of the first 555 Kanjis suggested by NukeMarine, then I move on to the 500 vocab and learn things as word => reading of the entire word. Or do I still need to learn the individual readings of kanjis.
For example do I need to first learn the readings of 今 and 年, or can I just learn how 今年 is read as a whole even if I don't know which part of the reading corresponds to which of the two kanjis ?

Like said above, a lot of us like learning readings from words. But you always have to know how to decompose the readings: for example let's take 今年,　reading kotoshi, you need to know it's ko-toshi and not koto-shi.

That said when you begin a lot of words are single kanji, like 今 ima (now) and 年 toshi (year), so you learn some individual readings that way too.

That's exactly what I want to know. Just by learning lots of vocab, will my brain start seeing patterns and understand on its own that it's ko-toshi and not koto-shi.
I guess according to the post by cophnia61 the brain can figure that out on its own.

Very newbish question, but I've been searching all over and it seems most of the rtk decks that have the ko2k1 order are invalid/gone/deleted now? I wanted to do rtk for the first 1110 kanji in ko2k1 through an anki deck but I can't seem to find a deck for that anymore...

In the first post, there's a link to a RTK spreadsheet that has KO2001 index numbers. You cold import that into anki..

I'm trying to use core2k6 suggested in this thread by having
Front: Kanji
Back: Kanji/Kana + English word + sound

And tbh I'm having a LOT of trouble memorizing the vocab this way, am I doing it wrong ?
Learning kanjis was actually way easier..

Jirachier Wrote:I'm trying to use core2k6 suggested in this thread by having
Front: Kanji
Back: Kanji/Kana + English word + sound

And tbh I'm having a LOT of trouble memorizing the vocab this way, am I doing it wrong ?
Learning kanjis was actually way easier..

Man, I don't know if this could be of any help for you, but another user here expressed the same feeling so give a look to my answer

If you are putting a single word on the front, make sure the deck is sorted by the vocab index rather than the sentence index.

Also, when working through a large deck like this it pays to suspend all the cards and pick out the easiest ones to learn first.