I think I already mentioned it above but, you need to use "%(your-field-name-here)s" in the templates .

Where Nukemarine has "%(Vocabulary - Sound)s" you have to change to whatever you're using in your deck, which looks like "%(vocab-sound-local)s" based on the screenshot you posted before.

Nukemarine & Vosmiura:
Thanks for all the help, I really appreciate it.

Well this is what i got after spending some time setting up the card templates:
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5003/sortedsent.jpg

Is this correct?

Can someone just find a way to upload the sorted anki deck? so it is just a case of straight importing rather than sorting. this is not like the KO2001 thread because core2000 can be freely distributed. So someone please upload the deck i want to see if i had done it right.

P.S. How can you tell if they are sorted or not? do you sort them by created? how can you tell if they are in the order by most common words?

Sort by "Created", and check that the 2001ko-index field is in increasing order.

vosmiura Wrote:Sort by "Created", and check that the 2001ko-index field is in increasing order.

Yeahp i think ive done it lol thanks for all the help. i know ive been quite slow in understanding all of this.

who woulda thought that レコード was the most common word though LOL

Does anyone know how to make multiple cards of the same fact "create" together? What I want is a deck that has three versions of each card (reading, listening, production) that I can review from the get go. The import creates all the listening cards first, then all the reading etc. I don't know what to do to sequence them. When I imported from iknow this worked out automatically, but I don't know why it does it this way from the spread sheet.

I suppose worse case scenario I can just do one version of the card, suspend the deck, then generate the other versions of the cards every day.....

TaylorSan, I use "Show new cards in order added", and when I tried creating new versions of my cards, it looks like they become due in the same order as the original cards which I think is what you want right?

However note that the deck's "spacing" settings will keep the sides from being shown at the same time unless you set those to 0 spacing.

Gotcha - Thanks.

After thinking about it a bit, I think perhaps having just one version of each card then generating the other versions might actually be the best way for me, as I will have them all suspended anyway, and will be unsuspending as I go (funny how unsuspend is spell check flagged - not a word?). I've decided to use this massive vocab list to activate from as words come up, study x# per day in the order, and add things to it as well (like new words my friend teaches me that aren't on the list). So I will need to have everything in the KO order suspended so I can review the new adds. By just having one version and generating it makes for a less long list of stuff to highlight.

It's funny how it worked out - I was pretty frustrated and spent a crazy amount of time trying to fix the deck, only to realize that it would work out better as is.

A Big THANK YOU to Cangy and everyone else who's posts for helping me get this new deck. This i+1 order is a big relief. I was really loosing the i=x sentence battle, and was wanting to get away from the sentence method. But this will fix that, and I think my overall pace with the language will take a nice step forward!

I finally was able to figure it out. I feel like an idiot, it seems so simple now. Anyway, I already have a current 2,000 deck. Should I just work on the sorted version of Kore (with all 6,000)? I figure it would be useless to have 2 decks. Is sorted really that much better? I suppose I could attempt to merge or something...

Finally got this to import correctly, had to use google docs in the end since anki couldn't import anything created by microsoft excel .

When scanning through though it found loads of duplicate sentence expressions and now I only have 5929 sentences instead of the full 6000.

Is this the full amount?

Edit: Sorry to dig up an old topic, but I've only just found it and am importing it now for after KO2001 .

TaylorSan Wrote:Does anyone know how to make multiple cards of the same fact "create" together?

Kewickviper Wrote:When scanning through though it found loads of duplicate sentence expressions and now I only have 5929 sentences instead of the full 6000.

both of these are now covered in the docs

now with vocab JLPT level (555/683 JLPT4, 510/624 JLPT3, 2665/3899 JLPT2, 895/2955 JLPT1, 1375 other)

cangy Wrote:now with vocab JLPT level (555/683 JLPT4, 510/624 JLPT3, 2665/3899 JLPT2, 895/2955 JLPT1, 1375 other)

Cangy, this might sound odd, but if you scanned just the vocabulary list (not the sentences) of Core2k/6k and looked at the numbers from the JLPT level vocabulary list, what are the results? Also, would you be able to generate a list of the JLPT vocabulary that's not in the Core2k/6k list as a result from the scan? Reason being, sounds like a good list to use as a study reference after Core 2k/6k.

PS: Something tells me I should get back into programming. Most of the useful study material seems to come from the results of a programming efforts by forum members.

Nukemarine Wrote:PS: Something tells me I should get back into programming. Most of the useful study material seems to come from the results of a programming efforts by forum members.

As a programmer, I'll tell you: Ideas trump ability. If you have a good idea and share it here, it's likely that someone will jump on programming it.

Though, I will admit, it's easier to take ideas that are questionable to the end if you do the work yourself. And some of those turn out to be really good after all.

Nuke:
I'm playing around with it right now, but I'm not 100% on what want. Something like:
Core 2000 has these from JLPT[?]:
word, word word

Core 6000 has these from JLPT[?]:
word, word word

JLPT[?] words not covered in Core2/6000:
word word word

Words in Core 2/6000 not on JLPT[anything]:
word word word

Asriel Wrote:Nuke:
I'm playing around with it right now, but I'm not 100% on what want. Something like:
Core 2000 has these from JLPT[?]:
word, word word

Core 6000 has these from JLPT[?]:
word, word word

JLPT[?] words not covered in Core2/6000:
word word word

Words in Core 2/6000 not on JLPT[anything]:
word word word

The JLPT[?] not covered in Core 2k/6k: word, word, word seems to be the best bet. We already have the Core 2k/6k list. We know it covers a majority of JLPT 4, 3 and 2 with a little bit of JLPT 1. It makes sense to use the remainder of words not covered by Core 2k/6k as a study aide.

Personally, I prefer vocabulary lists based off of website/literature frequency lists. However, it's an accepted necessary evil to utilize the JLPT to get better "acceptance" at Japanese firms. As such, use a trimmed list to find out what's left of the rest to study formally.

Nukemarine Wrote:Cangy, this might sound odd, but if you scanned just the vocabulary list (not the sentences) of Core2k/6k and looked at the numbers from the JLPT level vocabulary list, what are the results?

sorry nuke, that does sound a bit odd -- I've got absolutely no idea what you mean!

Nukemarine Wrote:Also, would you be able to generate a list of the JLPT vocabulary that's not in the Core2k/6k list as a result from the scan? Reason being, sounds like a good list to use as a study reference after Core 2k/6k.

yep, that's a good idea -- I'll build a jlpt list with core and ko2001 tags to make it easy to fill in the gaps

I have successfully imported kore with the fields I want, the model I want and the card templates I want to my already existing deck.
I plan to go throught kore as I review my existing entries.
I give kore a tag "kore" and give it high priority on my deck and I can order it by index (frequency index in my case) in the data explorer so I can see これ　is the first item, etc.
But I can not make Anki to follow that, instead it will pick some ramdom word from kore what defies the whole thing...

How to make Anki to ask in the order of the index (a field called index in the facts)

@Cangy

Sorry, I meant was if you compared the Core2k/6k vocabulary list against the JLPT [?] list, can you create a list of the JLPT[?] words that aren't on the Core 2k/6k list? I'm talking just the vocabulary words and not the sentences (which do have more unique words in total, I know). However, a JLPT [?] with KO and Core tags sounds like it'd work just the same. Bound to be popular for guys/gals that finished either series.

@Trusmis,

Did you import the kore list in the appropriate order (sorted order). Anki only introduces new cards either in the order added or in random order. I don't think there's a priority given past that when it comes to new cards.

So, if you didn't add them in the correct order, it's not too hard to delete the kore cards and re-add them in the sorted order.

kore can be used to learn kanji and study the core series simultaneously, provided you lean the kanji in one of the provided sort orders

swanki can be used to lean kanji in any order while simultaneously studying from any vocab or sentence decks

Could anyone who's used this kore deck to study shed some light on how they did so, and also post their results?

The main thing I want to know is: sentences vs vocabulary. I ask because after hours and hours of reading, I am overwhelmed by all the methods people post about on this forum. From what I gather, one of the main arguments against sentences from Core/KO2001 is that they're not i+1. However, I don't think this is a problem with this deck.

The way I have it right now is I have it sorted by ko2001-kanji order. I've studied 748 cards so far, by studying the sentences. On the front of the card is the sentence, and on the back the sentence with furigana, vocab plus definition, and sentence audio.

Last week I added the vocabulary word to the front of the card, with the sentence on the bottom. I find that some of the words I knew in sentences, I didn't recognize by themselves. This is a problem that I know some posters had. However, for me, this doesn't happen all to often that I would consider it a problem. I think after reviewing those cards a few more times it should stick. I also don't have the problem where some people read the first few words of a sentence, know it right away without reading the rest of it and consider it passed. I always try to read out the entire sentence, and fail it if I can't read a word and know what it means.

So I think really, what I've been doing so far is.. studying both vocab and sentence at the same time? Since I fail a card if I don't understand either. Adding vocab to the front is really just helping me recognize that word without context.

I tried just now doing vocab only, and while much faster, it felt sort of cheap and like I was missing something. I actually enjoy reading and understanding sentences, but it's slow. I don't know if I should switch to vocab only, finishing this deck at a fast pace and then moving on to mine native materials, or, stick with my sentences+vocab.

I know everybody has their own methods (believe me I've read enough of them), but I would like to know the perspective of someone who's used this deck.

I've been using this deck with word-in-kanji-only on the front and word/sentence/audio on the back. However this is because I'm basically using it to fill in things I don't know or half-know -- about 60% of new cards I suspend immediately as already-known, and I'm deliberately trying to catch the words I'd understand in a sentence but don't quite grasp enough to know if I see them out of context. I'm not sure I'd approach it this way if it was all unknown vocab to me (my other deck of random encountered vocab is sentences-on-front-of-card.)

Results? Well, I'm now just over halfway through it (at 20 new cards plus ~30 suspends a day) and I definitely see these words in other reading I'm doing. So I'm happy with it. I think the main benefit for me has been that it's a premade deck so it's much easier to sustain a regular pace of newly learned cards than if I have to find and add sentences myself. Plus having the audio is nice.

hey uh I'm gonna sound like a total idiot, but I clicked download and then it all popped up then I copied and pasted into notepad and saved then I opened in excel and it is all over the place, even though I put the option "comma delineated".

can someone tell me how to do it? thanks if that's possible.

vinniram Wrote:hey uh I'm gonna sound like a total idiot, but I clicked download and then it all popped up then I copied and pasted into notepad and saved then I opened in excel and it is all over the place, even though I put the option "comma delineated".

can someone tell me how to do it? thanks if that's possible.

Spreadsheet, tab delineated.

thanks, so I got it in there, and sorted it based on the third sorting column (which is ko2001 ).

but how do I put it into anki? when I go import, it comes up with about 20 fields. what model do I use? thanks if you can answer this.

Also, was I right in selecting the third sorting column? is that the ko2001 column? All the sorting columns were separated by columns with just "0" in it which was a bit weird...

OK, go to http://ichi2.net/anki/wiki/ContribFugounashi#kore

Go down to the table named "Fields." You'll notice that there's 28 fields and lists the names of what they all are. You're going to want to sort it based on "ko2001-index" which is number 22.

Delete all the columns in the spreadsheet that you're not going to use in Anki. Then, create an Anki deck. Make a new card model with amount of fields as columns you have in your spreadsheet. For ease of use, name the fields the same as http://ichi2.net/anki/wiki/ContribFugounashi#kore (minus the ones you deleted) and in the same order (spreadsheet's left to right aligns with Anki's top to bottom).

Once you have the card model created with fields for every column in the spreadsheet, just import it, making sure all the spreadsheet columns match up with the correct fields, and you should be good to go.

Oh, and don't forget to format the cards how you want them!