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vileru Wrote:
nest0r Wrote:Have I ever told you about the amazing book Japanese the Manga Way? Using this book was fun and enabled me to breeze through the smart.fm sentences--it really provides you with all the tools you need for a wide array of grammar, informal and formal, keeping it close to native media by using real manga as examples, and has a great structure to teach you how to break down sentences--you can apply this structure to any sentences you encounter.

I think it's the best book introducing Japanese grammar, far preferable to something like Tae Kim. All learners should use it.

Here is a link to the book on Google, which you can search for information. I am shortening the Google link for no apparent reason at all: http://sn.im/27km5po

'Sn.im' is a weird word. If you prefer a URL like tinyurl.com, I guess you could plug that in and see what happens.
I haven't come across this book at any bookstore yet. If I were hypothetically to acquire such a book, I think I'd go through it just to solidify what I learned from Tae Kim. If one were to obtain this book in another possible world in the form of a collection of .jpg images, could those .jpg files be converted to a .pdf for that hypothetical individual in that possible world who may hold a possibly strong inkling for convenience? With so many possibilities involved, it seems like the odds are against such a thing happening. However, I have an odd feeling that such a thing could exist in the possible world just described.
I don't know what you're talking about, but theoretically I would also prefer that format if I knew how to do such things. Something to do with pdf creation software that acts as a virtual printer.

A friend of a friend told me that when they have books in .jpg format, they make sure the files are numbered appropriately (001-100, etc.) using Ken Rename or similar software, then open the archive with CDisplay or other comic reading software.
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nest0r Wrote:
vileru Wrote:
nest0r Wrote:Have I ever told you about the amazing book Japanese the Manga Way? Using this book was fun and enabled me to breeze through the smart.fm sentences--it really provides you with all the tools you need for a wide array of grammar, informal and formal, keeping it close to native media by using real manga as examples, and has a great structure to teach you how to break down sentences--you can apply this structure to any sentences you encounter.

I think it's the best book introducing Japanese grammar, far preferable to something like Tae Kim. All learners should use it.

Here is a link to the book on Google, which you can search for information. I am shortening the Google link for no apparent reason at all: http://sn.im/27km5po

'Sn.im' is a weird word. If you prefer a URL like tinyurl.com, I guess you could plug that in and see what happens.
I haven't come across this book at any bookstore yet. If I were hypothetically to acquire such a book, I think I'd go through it just to solidify what I learned from Tae Kim. If one were to obtain this book in another possible world in the form of a collection of .jpg images, could those .jpg files be converted to a .pdf for that hypothetical individual in that possible world who may hold a possibly strong inkling for convenience? With so many possibilities involved, it seems like the odds are against such a thing happening. However, I have an odd feeling that such a thing could exist in the possible world just described.
I don't know what you're talking about, but theoretically I would also prefer that format if I knew how to do such things. Something to do with pdf creation software that acts as a virtual printer.

A friend of a friend told me that when they have books in .jpg format, they make sure the files are numbered appropriately (001-100, etc.) using Ken Rename or similar software, then open the archive with CDisplay or other comic reading software.
Yes, a pdf creation software that acts as a virtual printer would be an invention of great practical use! If someone were to have guided me to such a program, I would offer a friendly "thank you" in return. It would be a well-deserved "thank you", since a file conversion to .pdf format would theoretically allow files to be uploaded to an iPhone, thereby enhancing the portability of whatever files such a hypothetical user might be interested in. Alas, this is strictly speaking in the realm of possibilities in which nothing can be said for sure *grin*
Edited: 2010-10-16, 11:09 pm
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vileru Wrote:
nest0r Wrote:Have I ever told you about the amazing book Japanese the Manga Way? Using this book was fun and enabled me to breeze through the smart.fm sentences--it really provides you with all the tools you need for a wide array of grammar, informal and formal, keeping it close to native media by using real manga as examples, and has a great structure to teach you how to break down sentences--you can apply this structure to any sentences you encounter.

I think it's the best book introducing Japanese grammar, far preferable to something like Tae Kim. All learners should use it.

Here is a link to the book on Google, which you can search for information. I am shortening the Google link for no apparent reason at all: http://sn.im/27km5po

'Sn.im' is a weird word. If you prefer a URL like tinyurl.com, I guess you could plug that in and see what happens.
vileru Wrote:I haven't come across this book at any bookstore yet. If I were hypothetically to acquire such a book, I think I'd go through it just to solidify what I learned from Tae Kim. If one were to obtain this book in another possible world in the form of a collection of .jpg images, could those .jpg files be converted to a .pdf for that hypothetical individual in that possible world who may hold a possibly strong inkling for convenience? With so many possibilities involved, it seems like the odds are against such a thing happening. However, I have an odd feeling that such a thing could exist in the possible world just described.
nest0r Wrote:I don't know what you're talking about, but theoretically I would also prefer that format if I knew how to do such things. Something to do with pdf creation software that acts as a virtual printer.

A friend of a friend told me that when they have books in .jpg format, they make sure the files are numbered appropriately (001-100, etc.) using Ken Rename or similar software, then open the archive with CDisplay or other comic reading software.
vileru Wrote:Yes, a pdf creation software that acts as a virtual printer would be an invention of great practical use! If someone were to have guided me to such a program, I would offer a friendly "thank you" in return. It would be a well-deserved "thank you", since a file conversion to .pdf format would theoretically allow files to be uploaded to an iPhone, thereby enhancing the portability of whatever files such a hypothetical user might be interested in. Alas, this is strictly speaking in the realm of possibilities in which nothing can be said for sure *grin*
Well, here's a link to a useful-looking program, I randomly chose to use a shortened URL again: http://sn.im/8g6qe47g -- If you don't like using such a strange url like sn.im, you could try replacing it with tinyurl.com, though I'm not sure what would turn up.
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nest0r Wrote:Well, here's a link to a useful-looking program, I randomly chose to use a shortened URL again: http://sn.im/8g6qe47g -- If you don't like using such a strange url like sn.im, you could try replacing it with tinyurl.com, though I'm not sure what would turn up.
Someone who was looking for such a program would have already done an internet search and found it, if it were to exist. Yet, this hypothetical person would still be thankful for any helpful links offered by another forum user if such an event were to occur. In addition, carefully proofreading his/her posts for clarity would be in the best interest of this hypothetical user for any future posts.
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vileru Wrote:
nest0r Wrote:Well, here's a link to a useful-looking program, I randomly chose to use a shortened URL again: http://sn.im/8g6qe47g -- If you don't like using such a strange url like sn.im, you could try replacing it with tinyurl.com, though I'm not sure what would turn up.
Someone who was looking for such a program would have already done an internet search and found it, if it were to exist. Yet, this hypothetical person would still be thankful for any helpful links offered by another forum user if such an event were to occur. In addition, carefully proofreading his/her posts for clarity would be in the best interest of this hypothetical user for any future posts.
No it's okay, I think you were perfectly clear about your hypothetical speculations.
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More and more these days, publishers are offering books in digital formats, and I know many others here must be as well. I'm particularly interested in grammar books, especially Japanese the Manga Way. I'd like to purchase a .pdf version of the text, but I'm having difficulty locating one. I've tried browsing the website http://pdffinder/28rc4zz, but to no avail. Perhaps searches on tinyurl.com might bring up better results? If you're interested in such a version of this text, perhaps you could take a look and give me a hand.
Edited: 2010-10-17, 8:12 pm
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vileru Wrote:More and more these days, publishers are offering books in digital formats, and I know many others here must be as well. I'm particularly interested in grammar books, especially Japanese the Manga Way. I'd like to purchase a .pdf version of the text, but I'm having difficulty locating one. I've tried browsing the website http://pdffinder/28rc4zz, but to no avail. Perhaps searches on tinyurl.com might bring up better results? If you're interested in such a version of this text, perhaps you could take a look and give me a hand.
Nice size -- did you resize the jpgs first? I mean the open source public domain jpgs for another unrelated topic. And no bookmarks?? Tsk tsk.

Now someone just needs to painstakingly OCR and create a custom deck with images. Of the public domain book I am referring to that has nothing to do with Japanese grammar.

Edit: By the way, on a different note, that book Japanese the Manga Way has a nice cover. Here's a higher quality (err, higher than usual) img so you can appreciate it: http://www.mediafire.com/?fn4j1e3ud843alm
Edited: 2010-10-17, 9:33 pm
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nest0r Wrote:Nice size -- did you resize the jpgs first? I mean the open source public domain jpgs for another unrelated topic. And no bookmarks?? Tsk tsk.
2200x2000, if my memory serves me well. After trying a few different things, I just chose the highest res that my virtual printer allowed. I didn't add bookmarks because I figured it'd be best left to the users' discretion. Anyway, I hope the open source project serves as a useful tool for whatever your purposes may be, especially if those purposes are related to language learning.
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vileru Wrote:
nest0r Wrote:Nice size -- did you resize the jpgs first? I mean the open source public domain jpgs for another unrelated topic. And no bookmarks?? Tsk tsk.
2200x2000, if my memory serves me well. After trying a few different things, I just chose the highest res that my virtual printer allowed. I didn't add bookmarks because I figured it'd be best left to the users' discretion. Anyway, I hope the open source project serves as a useful tool for whatever your purposes may be, especially if those purposes are related to language learning.
By the way, dopdf virtual printer leaves the 'author' in the .pdf that I imagine you'd have to use a pdf editor to remove.
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nest0r Wrote:Nice size -- did you resize the jpgs first?
not that jpegs were a good choice to begin with, but it looks like the ones in the pdf are the same res but have been re-encoded and are now even softer
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cangy Wrote:
nest0r Wrote:Nice size -- did you resize the jpgs first?
not that jpegs were a good choice to begin with, but it looks like the ones in the pdf are the same res but have been re-encoded and are now even softer
Although Cangy sounds a bit harsh here, I'd have to agree about the choice of jpg and a format for scanning text-focused documents.

The main problem is that jpg compression leaves 'artefacts' around the edges of the text. Why is this bad? Because all of a sudden all the edges look blurry - causing problems if someone later wants to try to run an OCR over the text (kanji is especially badly distorted by this). A better solution would be; keeping the images in the .tiff as you get them from the scanner, or saving the images from the scanner as .gif .

have a look here for a better explination:

http://www.samhallas.co.uk/repository/scanning.htm

however, this hypothetical project has the potential to turn into the finest deck ever...
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cangy Wrote:
nest0r Wrote:Nice size -- did you resize the jpgs first?
not that jpegs were a good choice to begin with, but it looks like the ones in the pdf are the same res but have been re-encoded and are now even softer
What's your point, and what are you telling me for?
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mistamark Wrote:
cangy Wrote:
nest0r Wrote:Nice size -- did you resize the jpgs first?
not that jpegs were a good choice to begin with, but it looks like the ones in the pdf are the same res but have been re-encoded and are now even softer
Although Cangy sounds a bit harsh here, I'd have to agree about the choice of jpg and a format for scanning text-focused documents.

The main problem is that jpg compression leaves 'artefacts' around the edges of the text. Why is this bad? Because all of a sudden all the edges look blurry - causing problems if someone later wants to try to run an OCR over the text (kanji is especially badly distorted by this). A better solution would be; keeping the images in the .tiff as you get them from the scanner, or saving the images from the scanner as .gif .

have a look here for a better explination:

http://www.samhallas.co.uk/repository/scanning.htm

however, this hypothetical project has the potential to turn into the finest deck ever...
Yeah there's lots of scanning/OCRing information on the internet, that's easily found for those who care, via Google. ;p

That said, it would indeed make a nice deck. Theoretically. In future I can imagine a cool open source project, once awareness has grown, that replaces the manga with new examples, perhaps. By 'manga' I'm not referring to a specific book, I just mean hypothetically if you had such a book...
Edited: 2010-10-18, 11:17 pm
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Nest0r, don't you have a muscle to clench? ;-)
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Thora Wrote:Nest0r, don't you have a muscle to clench? ;-)
Nah. You should see what I can do with a ping pong ball.
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mistamark Wrote:Although Cangy sounds a bit harsh here, I'd have to agree about the choice of jpg and a format for scanning text-focused documents.
sorry, I might take terseness a bit too far sometimes, but it's almost never intended to be offensive Wink

I appreciate the hypothetical effort of the theoretical person who supposedly scanned the conjectural text in question, but taking that as given, in the original rar they're 150dpi colour jpegs and are a bit hard to read, and the smaller pdf seems be the same resolution but re-compressed so the text is even less clear

300 dpi auto-levelled greyscale or 600dpi bilevel PNGs would be nice, 600dpi djvu would be ideal...
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cangy Wrote:
mistamark Wrote:Although Cangy sounds a bit harsh here, I'd have to agree about the choice of jpg and a format for scanning text-focused documents.
sorry, I might take terseness a bit too far sometimes, but it's almost never intended to be offensive Wink

I appreciate the hypothetical effort of the theoretical person who supposedly scanned the conjectural text in question, but taking that as given, in the original rar they're 150dpi colour jpegs and are a bit hard to read, and the smaller pdf seems be the same resolution but re-compressed so the text is even less clear

300 dpi auto-levelled greyscale or 600dpi bilevel PNGs would be nice, 600dpi djvu would be ideal...
You sound like you're willing to invest time and effort into such scanning projects.

By the way, $17 - http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Manga-Way...1880656906
Edited: 2010-10-19, 11:52 am
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I've found a movie script for Nausicaa, with furigana, too. Anyone need it?

http://www.kimisikita.org/scripts/nausi/nausi1.html

There are lots of anime scripts here, all with pronunciation (furigana or romaji), some with spanish translation, and some even with audio:

http://www.kimisikita.org/scripts/scripts.html
Edited: 2010-10-19, 8:19 pm
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squeaky_lill_mk Wrote:I've found a movie script for Nausicaa, with furigana, too. Anyone need it?

http://www.kimisikita.org/scripts/nausi/nausi1.html

There are lots of anime scripts here, all with pronunciation (furigana or romaji), some with spanish translation, and some even with audio:

http://www.kimisikita.org/scripts/scripts.html
This really isn't the thread for that (But thanks for the effort!). There are a few other threads devoted to the topic of subtitles and transcripts. This thread is for discussing Japanese books or posting illicit links to books in a way that pretends to be totally innocent.
Edited: 2010-10-19, 11:20 pm
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nest0r Wrote:This really isn't the thread for that
Um, sorry. You are right, this is a wrong thread for that.

I guess I just loved this one, but since I had no devious snipurls to contribute, had to gatecrash it somehow. Sorry.
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Amset Wrote:Hey, I'm enjoying those books you recommended.

For .txt files, I don't have ms office, and when I tried to use the macro to turn the <<>>'s into ruby text it didn't work in OpenOffice Sad. Is there another way to do that? Or does anyone happen to have a macro for openoffice?
Has anyone experienced this? Does the macro not work for OpenOffice?
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balloonguy's Rubier macro to convert 《reading》 to furigana doesn't work for OpenOffice Writer. Says 'Basic Syntax Error'...

What are the other options again? I have that aozora to ruby.py but nothing happens when I click on it, just a disappearing cmd prompt and a glimpse of the word 'range'. And I have no idea what that other extensionless aozora html file is from the same thread ("How many readings do you know?" thread). Any other way on Windows to just open a .txt file with those bracketed readings and have them show up as furigana?

I tried smoopy and tobira readers but they just display gibberish despite my using the proper encoding settings. I can use Itadaki extension for OO but it doesn't remove the brackets, just displays furigana. Plus I'd rather have the original readings for when they're different from the dictionaries'.

I've also tried this regular expression: ([^)]+) (with backslashes preceding each bracket, removed during this post) but replacing the parenthses with brackets, for a Find and Replace (to simply remove the brackets+readings, unsatisfactory to begin with), but it doesn't select the properly, captures entire sentences on occasion.

Maybe someone savvy wants to convert balloonguy's macro to OO? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/263833/rubier.bas

Edit: Errm, thank you new computer, AppLocale actually works and thus smoopy.exe works now. I love my shmoopy, yes I do.

http://site-clue.statice.jp/soft_smoopy.php in case you missed the link in another old thread. Only problem is StarDict doesn't work with it.
Edited: 2010-10-24, 8:38 pm
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@nest0r
A hypothetical thanks!
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I deny all knowledge of whatever you might be talking about. Ohh, you must mean the link to how to take study breaks. Yep, no problem!
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