#1
I'm seriously considering getting an e-reader to use for some of the files I may or may not have pertaining to Japanese. I've considered the Kindle, but it seems like it has issues supporting PDFs, which is what a lot of these hypothetical files might be in. I would want to be able to zoom into PDFs to get a better look at kanji.

Something like Plastic Logic's Que (http://www.que.com/) would be perfect, as it's designed to handle a wide variety of documents, rather than e-books. However, its price puts it well out of my price-range.

Does anyone have any experience using their own files on e-readers? I know it's a rather new market and I should probably wait until the technology gets better and the prices come down, but I have the money now and I won't later as a student.
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#2
I know its been getting a lot of hate in the press, but I think the iPad could be really great for studying Japanese on. And I know I'm not the only one who thinks this.

"iPad: The ultimate Japanese study tool?": http://www.wideislandview.com/?p=2340

I don't know about ultimate part, but it looks pretty solid as a study tool to me.
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#3
How about the Notion Ink Adam?

It has a Pixel Qi screen that is viewable in sunlight.
It can run on either Android, Linux, or Chrome OS.

Pixel Qi screen
NVIDIA Tegra2
Dual Core ARM A9 processor
3 USB ports
SD card slot
Flash support
HDMI port
3G
Rotating Camera
Smooth 1080p playback

It's almost everything the iPad isn't.

Check out the first link for a recent interview that shows
the Notion Ink Adam its near final state. I read somewhere
that they're looking to charge $325-$400 for this. An amazing deal.










Edited: 2010-02-16, 2:23 pm
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#4
kerosan41 Wrote:I know its been getting a lot of hate in the press, but I think the iPad could be really great for studying Japanese on. And I know I'm not the only one who thinks this.

"iPad: The ultimate Japanese study tool?": http://www.wideislandview.com/?p=2340

I don't know about ultimate part, but it looks pretty solid as a study tool to me.
That should be renamed "iPod Touch: The Ultimate Japanese Study Tool: Cheaper and easier to carry around than an iPad".
Edited: 2010-02-16, 12:01 pm
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#5
As others have noted, the iPad and a bunch of competing products will be coming out this year. They are all practically designed for us Japanese learners. I'd wait until they are out. For best bang for the buck, a Windows-based machine is probably the best solution, since you'll be able to run all that existing software out there... But even the iPad and the Android-based devices will be able to use all the websites.
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#6
wccrawford Wrote:But even the iPad and the Android-based devices will be able to use all the websites.
As long as they don't use Flash.
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#7
I have been studying Japanese on my iPod Touch for the last 10 months and I am really impressed by the device capabilities.
I mean, who need flash to study Japanese?
Flash slows down the web and it is mostly advertisement. Plus it is not optimized for the Apple platform. Surfing without Flash is a relief. It is much faster!
I am really excited about the iPad. that will be amazing!
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#8
I think in april Damien Elmes will start working on Anki for iPhone full time, a true native client available from AppStore. Give him a few months, add another 3 for reviewing process and it should arrive on Christmas Smile
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#9
I'm leery about the ipod touch/ipad and other readers that use LEDs rather than e-ink. I stare at a computer all day and it kills my eyes.
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#10
yo6shi9 Wrote:I mean, who need flash to study Japanese?
I don't like Flash, either. I usually have it turned off. But it's just something to keep in mind when making a decision since I know most people who aren't me like to use at least one site that uses Flash. If you told my mom that the iPad won't play Farmville she'd...well, she'd probably not hear you because she'd be playing Farmville. But still Big Grin

Doesn't smart.fm use Flash? I know there is a smart.fm app for the phone but I don't think it's as good as the full site. I guess you could just export to Anki, though.

Edit: just tried it out. No Flash on smart.fm.
Edited: 2010-02-16, 4:10 pm
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#11
Captain Kanjipants Wrote:
wccrawford Wrote:But even the iPad and the Android-based devices will be able to use all the websites.
As long as they don't use Flash.
The Notion Ink Adam has Flash: http://www.slashgear.com/notion-ink-adam...o-1473893/
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#12
I'm waiting till e-paper comes out (maybe +2/3 years?). They'll probably run for hours off 1 button battery, be thinner than a button battery, be lighter than a button battery, be much easier on the eyes than lcd.
Edited: 2010-02-16, 4:32 pm
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#13
Don't mean to turn this into an e-reader recommendation thread.
But Apple really dropped the ball and have some really stiff competition ahead.

The "Notion Ink Adam" and "Skiff Reader" are my favorites so far.

Unlike all other readers, the Skiff reader has a 1600x1200 resolution (HUGE display)
and is flexible paper thin e-paper.

I dunno about you, but I have many manga files that would look awesome
in 1600x1200. And turn the Skiff sideways for those 2-page spreads....... :-)

I guess, in a way, Apple is making us choose between 2 markets.
The "e-reader Tablet PC" (jack of all trades and formats, with the versatility of a computer) vs. the pure e-reader (i.e. TONS of battery life at doing one simple task).

Gallery:
http://www.skiff.com/skiff-reader_photos.html

360 View:
http://www.skiff.com/skiff-reader_360.html

Tech specs:
http://www.skiff.com/skiff-reader_tech-specs.html
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#14
I don't plan on getting an ereader until epaper has color and a reasonable refresh rate. I doubt the platform will ever take off though. Heavy readers aren't a big enough market to really drive innovation in a single purpose device. Most heavy readers I know never want to lose dead trees anyways.

Basically I want an iPad with responsive color epaper and running osx instead of iphone OS. It'll never exist Tongue Skiff looks nice as a stopgap, but I wouldn't be willing to drop more than $150 or so on it. The ridiculous obsession with cramming 3G and their contracts into these devices (and thus their prices) is seriously crippling the market imo. I don't even need wifi in a dedicated ereader, let alone 3g.
Edited: 2010-02-16, 10:25 pm
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#15
chamcham Wrote:Unlike all other readers, the Skiff reader has a 1600x1200 resolution (HUGE display)
and is flexible paper thin e-paper.
Looks impressive (so impressive I have to doubt it's real!).

Just a note, sure the "display technology" is flexible, but it doesn't look like the actual final product is.
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#16
I read basically all my manga on my iphone using Comic Reader Mobi. It's a fairly expensive app, but it provides the most enjoyable manga reading experience I've found- bar buying a physical copy. I prefer reading with Comic Reader Mobi on my iphone than using the manga reader on my computer! I'm betting the larger screen on the iPad will make it an absolutely kickass manga-reading device.
Edited: 2010-02-16, 11:23 pm
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#17
Using an SD card costs nothing per month and takes less time/effort to transfer. How often do you REALLY need to pull down new books while you're driving? I'd rather they dropped $100+ off the price of the ereader. The 3G service is not there for user convenience, it's there to push users to the marketplace where they'll spend money. That is why the 3G isn't optional.

The ereader market will never take off ever. They crippled it from the beginning by overpricing the devices, then continued kneecapping it by keeping the price up with 3G radios and lifetime contracts, and charging almost the same price for an exploding DRMed ebook as the re-sellable dead tree copy. Their greed (using 3G service to push users into the marketplace) is limiting the device from becoming mainstream, and within a few years the market will be absorbed by tablets, cellphones, and netbooks. The entire concept was a no-go from the beginning since casual readers won't drop more than ~$150 on a device, and hardcore readers prefer dead trees.

The iPad is a different story since it is a tablet and not a single purpose device, the 3G radio is an option, and the contract's cost isn't built in to the device. If I ever got one I still wouldn't buy the 3G model though, I'd just tether it to my iPhone over bluetooth or wifi.
Edited: 2010-02-17, 1:06 am
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#18
The worst part about this whole "closed 3G bookstore attached to e-reader" problem is that we really don't need anymore online bookstores other than Amazon, Barnes&Noble, and Apple iBooks.

Frankly, I think B&N and Amazon could eliminate all e-bookstore competition if they opened up their bookstore software to all e-readers (I don't ever expect Apple to open their store to anyone).

It would make everything easier for publishers, since they could chose B&N, Amazon, iBooks, or some combination of the three.

Really, I feel like the e-readers market should be a battle of hardware (not software).
The big three can provide all the content we really ever need.
Edited: 2010-02-17, 9:48 am
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#19
Yeah, it seems silly to me that e-readers are being developed as a means to push the market, instead of the market serving the device (like with iPod). Who exactly thought it was a good idea to market BOOKS as if they were telephones?
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