Have been looking around for the book, however the only thing I can find seems to be a $70 average for a physical copy which will take weeks to ship to Australia. Do you know if there are any ebook versions floating around?
EDIT: Was that deck made by nest0r, that you are aware of?
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I don't know who made the deck for the two-kanji compounds tbh, it looks like it was only uploaded a couple of weeks ago, and there's no mention of a maker on the ja-minimal site.
As for the book, there is an ebook version available on google play for £17.90. It could be restricted to certain countries, but I wouldn't expect it.
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This is what I do
Everyday I start out by taking about 5-10 sentences from the drama I'm watching.
Put them all into Anki, than put the vocab in a separate deck. When i study vocab, I learn how to read and write all of them. Unfortunately due to this I learn vocab pretty slow, about 10-20 a day. Is production really that important, maybe just skip straight to just reading?
Not entirely sure what you mean by "production" (it can mean many things around here) though, in respect to output: you probably aren't going to be able to write or speak more than you understand. How that factors into your study methods, well, it depends on your involvement preferences.
Anyway, in respect to your query: what is stopping you from reading and doing what you're doing now?
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When I finish I am going to go through core 2000 with extra focus on learning what words consist of what characters, which I in the past found to be an effective way of learning readings without stressing it too much.
My main activity will be listening to podcasts at Japanesepod101 and going through A Dictionary of Beginner and Intermediate Japanese. I used Jap101 before and it significantly increased my listening.
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FOR JAPANESE STUDY ON THE COMPUTER AND IN BOOKS:
One of the things I've found is that of "integration" is lacking across programs and books. If I am studying some words through one program, and switch programs, they often do not coincide with one another so I end up studying other words than I had previously studied from the other program.
My solution to this was actually a two-fold learning technique. Integrate the words from one program to the remaining programs so that on one hand, I will be able to study what I had learned across programs, (such as transcribing vocabulary from one program into Anki), and as a result, having input the data, I inadvertently am practicing the typing of the words in kana and kanji into the Anki flash cards. It's great to have many programs to choose from, and the fact they aren't already integrated turned out to be a blessing in disguise. Now I can also transcribe from Rosetta Stone into Anki as well.
If you are asking why it is important at all to integrate the vocabulary and study materials across programs and books, it comes down to the one person who is studying the material. I've yet to find a one-solution program/book that delves deeply and interestingly into the variety of the Japanese language...so I am having to do it all on my own. It's actually kinda fun too!
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Certainly. Concepts may not be understood after only seeing the word once or twice. The learner "acquires" the knowledge when he sees the word in multiple contexts and collocations. The issue with purely relying on learning words from anki is that the user may not truly understand its concept/application, he might simply be regurgitating information. Someone on this thread mentioned to "learn words from all angles". Sounds about right
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Decided to learn Japanese a few months ago (after getting into anime, but that's neither here nor there). I started off by learning hiragana. Looking at stroke order diagrams, I wrote each character several times until I was satisfied with how it looked. After doing this for every hiragana character, I had memorized pretty much all of them. I then did the same thing with katakana. I learned the basics of Japanese grammar using Tae Kim's guide, though I didn't get very far. At the start of the school year, I took Japanese 101. We went through half of Genki I, which was pretty slow in my opinion. That said, it was helpful for getting feedback and speaking practice.
Right now I'm using the Optimized Core 2k/6k deck. I made two copies. One is production and the other is recognition.
The production deck has an English meaning on the front. I have to come up with the corresponding Japanese vocabulary, know its reading, and write it with its kanji (if any). Getting any of these wrong is a fail. Being too slow to remember the vocab or reading means it gets marked as hard. I actually used to mark it as hard if my Japanese handwriting was ugly/awkward, but I, probably wisely, decided to stop doing that.
The recognition deck is blank on the front. It automatically plays the audio of the vocab word and I need to transcribe it (with kanji, if applicable) and recall the English meaning.
I'm adding around 30-40 words per day, depending on my mood. I haven't gotten very far yet since I just recently worked up the courage to add more words per day. I'm on ~360/6000 and have like 270 reviews per day, which take about 1.5 hours. Retention rate isn't great (~82%) but that's partly because the first time I see 95% of the newly added vocab words is when I run into them during my reviews.
I'm also trying to go over Tae Kim's guide to get a grasp on basic grammar. I suspect that this will be the area I will have the most trouble with, as vocab is actually fairly easy to learn thanks to SRS. Occasionally I will post on Lang-8, experimentally using newly learned grammatical features.
Once I finish Core 6k, I plan on delving into native material to get more used to Japanese grammar while mining vocab for Anki.
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An outline of the DoG books were also recently put up here. Be sure to check that out as well.
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I guess that makes him the ultimate troll. A language learning troll. I'm surprised he didn't just ask for an Asiatorrents invite.
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I started studying Japanese in November. I tried Anki and the Core decks, but they didn't really suit me. I learned a lot and I'm sure it is effective, but I don't see the need to know the word for an accident before I even know words like gloves or pajamas or other everyday stuff.
Last week I discovered kanjibox and went with it to study JLPT vocab. That and ChokoChoko Library texts / NHK News Easy articles and an Oxford grammar book are my main studying tools now. I study vocab and Kanji with kanjibox and grammar with the texts.
For grammar study I pick a sentence from the text and then pick it apart and look up the grammar parts in the book and sometimes on jGram. It makes more sense to me to look up grammar points on a need-basis than to try and learn it like that.
I haven't done much for listening yet, but I want to learn some more words first, so I have at least a chance to get what I'm hearing.
My speaking practice consists of sometimes reading the words or sentences aloud. Only sometimes, because I also study alot when I commute from and to work and the train is always fun making it very awkward and uncomfortable to read the words aloud.
but I aways regret talking about study methods, having constantly adjusted or changed them completely, then feeling like I've led people astray or embarrassed myself. I'll eagerly share the quantitative/qualitative progress I make between now and the next 2-5 months.
