Jarvik7 Wrote:The questions will probably be on a few Chinese forums within a few hours.

Is it ok if I ask for the link here ? I used to have it bookmarked but lost it... <_<

Totally Offtopic - I was reading in another thread (forgot the link) where you were talking about 使い分け辞典。 If you don't mind, Any good 使い分け辞典 recommendations ?

Evangelo Wrote:By the way, did anyone else laugh during the 2kyuu listening question about the monkey? I could barely take it seriously.

Yea, but it took me a while before I could figure the differences between the 2 sets of pictures... lol Good thing it was the last question.

coverup Wrote:I was also surprised by the number of Chinese/East Asian people at the test as well. I'd say our demographics were spread about 95% Asian with the majority being young Chinese, and 5% western gaij.

Yup! I only wish they weren't so noisy... lol... (not being racist) ^^;

As for me

Vocab: Screwed it up a bit

Listening: Much better, I especially liked the question where they were talking about the train delay and apologizing for it. Since I commute everyday during rush hour, I didn't even bother listening to it seriously as I have kinda memorized every god damn announcement they make <_<

Dokkai, Bunpou: Grammar was easy but dokkai was way too long and made my brain fry. I totally skipped the graph question <_<

@ghinzdra

I would like the link for the answers please!

Reading is what destroyed me, what is your method for it? everything I answered I got right, but i ended up with not enough time just filling in 6 boxes.

I don't want to start discussing answers yet because people have yet to take the test, but I have serious problems with some of the answers that are given in the chinese answer sheet(I'm 90% sure they are incorrect)

As suggested previously for the reading / grammar I did the grammar section first as quickly as I could.

Then I started at the last reading question and worked my way back to the big question. It kinda worked as I had just about enough time to finish the questions. But I still need a lot more reading practice to speed up.

What did everyone else do and any suggestions to speed up?

What I learned from this time: don't overthink the answers, 3/4 are incredibly simple, espically on the short passages, if you spend time overthinking the answers on the long essay, you end up like me just filling in bubbles for stuff that should have been sure-fire correct.

Vocabulary was easier than I expected. I finished with about 5 minutes left and tried to go back through to the 10 or so I wasn't sure about, and I changed one or two of them. Pretty sure I missed at least 10, but I'm fairly confident most of the others (about 50) were correct.

Listening destroyed me. I went in, expecting this to be the easiest part of the test and while the second half was pretty easy, the first half I wasn't able to perform as well as I'd hoped. I probably missed half of the first half of the listening part, and I guessed way too much. I'm relatively sure this was my weakest section unless my confidence in the rest of my performance was wrong and/or insanity.

Reading/Grammar was cake. I did the grammar section first, and felt mostly confident about all but 4 answers (again, which I marked and went back to later) and then worked backward starting with the graph question (which I had enough time to check my answers to twice) and then moved on to the short passages, and finally, once arriving at the long passages, I checked my watch and had about 35 minutes to go through the big 3. Not only were they easier than I expected, I found that most questions I was able to narrow down to one single correct answer. I finished this section with 7 minutes to spare, which I used to double check the graph question and revisit 6 questions I marked as questionable. Compared to the material I had been studying in my Kanzen Master 読解 book, the passages were a lot easier to understand in general and even the 注意 words/grammar was easy enough that I think I only glanced at the explanations once to confirm one obscure term's meaning.

Everyone else in my group of 5 had this to say:

Vocab was fine. One of us said "I think I studied the wrong material" and "I didn't finish" but no one else had any major problems here.

And contrary to my experience, everyone thought the listening was pretty easy. I think my major difficulties had to do with the format and because there were a few questions I didn't catch and failed to listen for the right material (in the first section).

Everyone else in my group also said they ran out of time for the grammar/reading and actually had to mark random answers (up to I think someone who said they marked 5+ randomly because they were out of time).

I don't know. I walked out completely confident I passed, even though I'm relatively sure that my score will be brought down by a bad listening section. I guess we'll see what the actual outcome is in Feb.

for gram/reading global stragegy in 3 part

I time alloted
70 minutes to reading
15 minutes to grammar
5 to check up

70 reading
15 minutes for the only problem of level 1 (7-9 question on average)
10 for the 3 problem of level 2 (3-6 question on average)
5 for the 5 problem of level 1 (1-2 question on average)
15+15+30+25+5= 90

II the order
1 the grammar : 15 minutes you re compelled to be quick on grammar.
for the slow guy it prevents them to get in a bad rythm
it doesn t matter if you don t know just put an answer (of course if you don t know shit for half of the question it doesn t work... but in this case I think the problem is elsewhere )
grammar is a matter of knowlege 90 percent of the time you just see a word and know what comes after . If you don t know you re gonna waste time on something only worth 1 point . Learn about priorities . You don t know for sure , you mark the one you like or even one at random


2 problem of level 2 then 1
the goal is to create momentum , confidence . If you re stuck , you doubt and on the next question you ll be even worse . I like level 2 because they re long enough to allow you to have a grasp on the broad picture (if you don t get a question right now it s likely it ll make sense on the long run once you solved the other questions ) and short enough to go quick . The guy who taught me about that prefered level 1 though
3 problem of level 3
by now you must be confident about your ability to go quick
4 check up : Once you re good with all the part of the technique you often have way more than 5 minutes .... I had 29 minutes for solving the 1st problem and check up answer after that . In ended up using 20 minutes for the 1st problem and the remnant on grammar

III reading strategy
1- read the title (the below of text)
if you re lucky you know the them in 5 seconds
2- read the first line . In doubt read the second line
you know the them
3 read the last paragraph .
you know the these
4 read the last question
if you re lucky you have a summary of the text
5 read only the part for each question/
which means the underlined part and depending on the line either the line before or the line after .
in my experience 70 percent of the time it s before 30 percent of the time it s after .

Hope it went well for everyone. I was going to take JLPT1 but I forgot to pay the fee until it was too late so.... next year I guess

Don t grieve too much about it ....
it s far worse for some people.
I just learned by a friend that a common acquaintance lost her credit card and was so much in a fix that she ended up asking for a refund to the guy who registred her . She got back her money and lost an opportunity to take the test altogether

I wonder if she wasnt merely yellow though....

1Kyuu vocabulary
Ok I checked my answers for the voc part . I have at least 5 questions false for sure .One in doubt . The 6th and the 7 part are on hold for now (see below)
but I totally disagree with at least 3 of the answer given by the chinese applicant
43 , 50 , 54

43
もうすこしで終わるはずだった仕事が彼の失敗で********に戻ってしまった
the chinese answered 打ち消し which barely makes sense
I think the good answer is 振り出し. I heard 振り出しに戻る several times , latest being two days ago . Google is for me too

50
嘘を言ったために、話の**********が合わなくなった
the chines e answered まともり
I think the good answer is 辻褄 . Once again it s part of an expression. Once again I google it up.

54
証拠が不十分なため前の判決は*****され彼は無罪となった。
the chinese answered 放棄
I didn t know for sure for this one but considering the meaning of the kanji i though 破棄 was the best answer .I googled it up and it seems I m right

I stopped at the part 5 .
I m pretty sure they re wrong on those questions and the last 2 part are the one who are the most native like .So if they fail on those I don t trust them for this kind of problem . I m going ask to my japanese friends to check it up .
After what I ll publish the result here .

Hey, where can I get the ２級　tests?

ghinzdra Wrote:1Kyuu vocabulary
Ok I checked my answers for the voc part . I have at least 5 questions false for sure .One in doubt . The 6th and the 7 part are on hold for now (see below)
but I totally disagree with at least 3 of the answer given by the chinese applicant
43 , 50 , 54

Yeah 破棄/ 辻褄 is right, however the one about weather they are incorrect, i'm almost positive it's not the answer they gave.

Have you found a copy of the actual Reading comprehension? just the answers don't do me much good in checking

On the subject of "cheating"

Makes you wonder, with the trouble of time zones and the speed of passing info on the internet, that they don't create three tests and stagger starting times for countries.

With the problem of stealing test books, wouldn't it make sense that they have 3 or 4 books for the separate sections. To get the next section, you must turn in the previous one. Granted, I'm sure in China or Japan there are paid sacrificial lambs who's sole job is to get a copy of the test out on the net for those in Europe and the Americas. Not too much to think three guys would then take appropriate sections.

Course, then there's the problem of communication between test takers via electronic means.

Yeah, it's nothing new though the means to do it have become more sophisticated. Just makes you wonder how many more years such standardized tests have left in them without changing before they lose all credibility.

PS: It's cool seeing larger number of RevTK'rs taking the 1st and 2nd level tests. Hopefully, all of you that took it without cheating have now realized you're just not trying hard enough

koyota Wrote:

ghinzdra Wrote:1Kyuu vocabulary
Ok I checked my answers for the voc part . I have at least 5 questions false for sure .One in doubt . The 6th and the 7 part are on hold for now (see below)
but I totally disagree with at least 3 of the answer given by the chinese applicant
43 , 50 , 54

Yeah 破棄/ 辻褄 is right, however the one about weather they are incorrect, i'm almost positive it's not the answer they gave.


Have you found a copy of the actual Reading comprehension? just the answers don't do me much good in checking

which question is about weather ? and what you do you mean it s not the answer they gave ?
I have especially a hard time to understand the logical relation with however
do you mean they re right and I m wrong ?

no I didnt find reading comprehension yet . A chinese friend must mail me as soon as he gets his hand on it . It s kind of strange because they have all the answer , all the questions , they even have a script of the audio! but they don t have reading question....
and i agree with you anwers aren t much help without it

as I said I ll put a full check up on line on the forum

Nukemarine Wrote:On the subject of "cheating"

Makes you wonder, with the trouble of time zones and the speed of passing info on the internet, that they don't create three tests and stagger starting times for countries.

With the problem of stealing test books, wouldn't it make sense that they have 3 or 4 books for the separate sections. To get the next section, you must turn in the previous one. Granted, I'm sure in China or Japan there are paid sacrificial lambs who's sole job is to get a copy of the test out on the net for those in Europe and the Americas. Not too much to think three guys would then take appropriate sections.

Course, then there's the problem of communication between test takers via electronic means.

Yeah, it's nothing new though the means to do it have become more sophisticated. Just makes you wonder how many more years such standardized tests have left in them without changing before they lose all credibility.

PS: It's cool seeing larger number of RevTK'rs taking the 1st and 2nd level tests. Hopefully, all of you that took it without cheating have now realized you're just not trying hard enough

frankly Nuke it would be a bit incoherent for a RevTK achiever to cheat at JPLT.
"Valeant benefici,Poenas dent malefici!" remember ?
it s like a kyokushin karateka asking to his opponents on the 100 man challenge to go easy on him.....

Okay, seriously... what the hell was that? The final answer on the Lvl 1 listening part almost had me burst out in laughter.

My personal impression..
Kanji/Vocab was easy.. almost too easy.
Listening was pretty challenging at times
Reading/Grammar was overall doable.

I have no idea if I passed.

Well done everyone with giving the test a go.
How did JLPT 1 in three months person get on?

kyotokanji Wrote:Well done everyone with giving the test a go.
How did JLPT 1 in three months person get on?

That was just a "Whether it's possible" post. I think the closest person was Blackmacross with jplt in 6 months but he seems to have vanished when school started. Guessing the 7 hours of review a day started to take a toll on him.

I just finished my Level 2 (in Toront) and I am sure I failed.. =(

I registered Level 2 hoping I would have enough time to study it. And then I got a job and picked up other interests during the time.

Vocabulary = easy
Listening = I guessed more than 1/2 of the answers. Was just trying to infer the question from the words I could understand. *sob*
Grammar was hard for me (obviously i didn't study much ;) , the reading was easier than grammar, though i ran out of time to answer all the reading questions..

Hey, just a question for all those who said the grammar and reading section was easy. How did you do it? Do you study from grammar books a lot? SRS'ing sentences? Or you just do a lot readings on wide varieties of subjects? Which do you think helped you the most???

rrrrrray Wrote:Hey, just a question for all those who said the grammar and reading section was easy. How did you do it? Do you study from grammar books a lot? SRS'ing sentences? Or you just do a lot readings on wide varieties of subjects? Which do you think helped you the most???

I just read.. a whole lot. And ask people when I don't understand stuff.

Edit: Also, going through past tests helped a lot I guess

Yes, I think fundamentally it's a matter of practicing reading. When I was doing JLPT2 I tended to score relatively poorly in the vocabulary sections, but it's quite possible to do well in the reading section even if your vocab is a bit limited, because you have more context to guess from; so if you're at a reasonable passing mark in the grammar and vocab then reading should be easier than those. But you need to be able to read quickly, and I don't think there's any way to get there except to practice :-)

RobotsAnger Wrote:

kyotokanji Wrote:Well done everyone with giving the test a go.
How did JLPT 1 in three months person get on?

That was just a "Whether it's possible" post. I think the closest person was Blackmacross with jplt in 6 months but he seems to have vanished when school started. Guessing the 7 hours of review a day started to take a toll on him.

A forum member called Ahibba claimed to be able to go from almost zero Japanese to JLPT 1 in three months. wondering how they got alomng.

I took 2級 today in Berlin.
- Vocab/Kanji was harder than past tests IMO, because in past tests there were always easy questions, but this time they all aimed at those slight differences between kanji (複 vs. 復, 墓 vs. 暮 vs. 幕) etc. so no easy points here.

- I really failed the listening test. It seemed to be much harder than what I practised, but that might be illusion. Anyway, I'm pretty sure this is my worst part.

- Grammar was okay, not too hard. Reading was surprisingly easy, right?! Most texts had the same subject (子供教育 etc), so you could go through them quickly after a while. The amount of texts was pretty high, though.

And what was up with the last of the reading comprehension questions?!? I had 5 minutes left for the last question, and there was like half a page of text and a big fancy-looking graph. And only ONE single question on that! I was like "What the..? Why should I spend so much time on this for 5 points, when there's other texts that are equally long but give you 7*5 points?" ;-)

I took level 2 today too. To be sincere I was really surprised with the moji/goi test. I expected to finish it with no problems but I thought it was the hardest. I studied with an old Unicom kanji book and I felt a huge lap in the vocabulary part. The listening and grammar are okay, though. Listening was a bit harder that last year, but still doable. And grammar was definitely easier that last year.

I also would appreciate to get some links to this years answers, if possible.

yukimine Wrote:I took level 2 today too. To be sincere I was really surprised with the moji/goi test. I expected to finish it with no problems but I thought it was the hardest. I studied with an old Unicom kanji book and I felt a huge lap in the vocabulary part.

It was harder than I expected too. I was hoping to score really high on this part to
make up for other parts of the test. I made stupid mistakes on things like 複雑　by confusing 複 and 復. Doh! I also had to guess more than I expected which will surely bring my score down.

As for reading I have decided, pass or fail (more than likely fail!) I am just going to read, read, read stuff I am interested in (in Japanese of course!). Going through those Unicom and Kanzen reading books is too much like hard work.