Just wondering if you can give me any tips. I'm not sure how much I'll do a day, but I'll be putting sentences in Anki, of course. Should the front of the card have the full Japanese with kanji, and the answer will have full Japanese with furigana, and English? Is this good, or is there anything else I should remember? How many kanji / pages a day is good to go through?

Thanks as always.

P.S. I do realize there are a lot of K2001 threads, so I'm sorry for making another.

Here's my opinion: Use the sentences to review a particular word in that sentence. As such, have the Kana on the question side with the word being tested in bold letters, or written off to the side. The answer will be the kanji of the sentence (and the word) with maybe the english translation.

Your job is to know how to write out the word (either do it for real or in your head) and know what it means. If you miss it, always write out the correct word.

You can also do "reverse" flashcards where you test Kanji sentence with the word in bold or off to the side. Your job is to know the meaning and how to pronounce the word. These should be faster, though I do write out words I miss here also.

You can also play audio if you have access to the audio files.

So, I've been searching the forums for an answer to a question about the KO2001 deck. I have ahibba's text-kana deck. The ordering for the first 20 or so sentence corresponds to book-order. After that, it jumped to 623. I'm not sure if this is an Anki issue or not, as I have yet to find any setting in Anki which fixes this. The standard "review in order added" is not working.

Please help thx

nwatkins Wrote:So, I've been searching the forums for an answer to a question about the KO2001 deck. I have ahibba's text-kana deck. The ordering for the first 20 or so sentence corresponds to book-order. After that, it jumped to 623. I'm not sure if this is an Anki issue or not, as I have yet to find any setting in Anki which fixes this. The standard "review in order added" is not working.

I dont think you are able to change dates without messing with the database. So you could try this method:
Suspend all cards, order them by the Kanji Nr and then unsuspend the next X cards you want to learn.

Set achievable goals & don't try to do too much. You may think you'll easily manage 200 sentences before breakfast but reality is a lot more boring & slow. The more short term goals you achieve, the greater your motivation will be.

Nukemarine Wrote:Here's my opinion: Use the sentences to review a particular word in that sentence. As such, have the Kana on the question side with the word being tested in bold letters, or written off to the side. The answer will be the kanji of the sentence (and the word) with maybe the english translation.

Very interested in this as I'm hoping to start KO2001 before the end of the week. Sorry if you've explained elsewhere, but why do you do it this way. My impression has been that most people would do:

Question: Kanji with target word highlighted

Answer: Kanji with furigana, plus audio, plus meaning.

I was planning to set things up that way, and just make multiple cards highlighting different parts if I felt it was necessary. That way, you're testing whether you can read it, understand it, and pronounce it.

elmaestrokgb Wrote:

Nukemarine Wrote:Here's my opinion: Use the sentences to review a particular word in that sentence. As such, have the Kana on the question side with the word being tested in bold letters, or written off to the side. The answer will be the kanji of the sentence (and the word) with maybe the english translation.

Very interested in this as I'm hoping to start KO2001 before the end of the week. Sorry if you've explained elsewhere, but why do you do it this way. My impression has been that most people would do:

Question: Kanji with target word highlighted

Answer: Kanji with furigana, plus audio, plus meaning.

I was planning to set things up that way, and just make multiple cards highlighting different parts if I felt it was necessary. That way, you're testing whether you can read it, understand it, and pronounce it.

I use vocabulary sentences to train vocabulary. I use each sentence to test one word (a few have 2 and one has 3 words). Now, with Japanese some words I know when I hear them but don't know how to write them out. Others have the opposite problem. Most have neither and damn few have both. Testing both ways help catch the problem children.

Kanji to kana (and audio) simulates the time I would be reading on a word by word basis. Kana (and audio) to Kanji simulates when I would be hearing on a word by word basis. I only write out the words when I'm wrong cause this speeds up the process. I only write out the word because it became tedious writing out the entire sentence. I only concern myself with 1 word because it became tedious missing a sentence for any number of words early in my studies. These are just changes that happened over time adapting to how I looked at reviewing.

Now, the only thing I can't (well, I don't) test is true production. This would be either putting an English word up and having to know the Japanese (dangerous way to test), or have a Japanese definition and come up with the Japanese word (difficult at my level). Still, some do this so they can chime in how it works for them. For me, my subs2srs deck is part of my "speaking fluidly" portion of my training which is production in a way.

Makes sense. Sounds like you're still refining, and I imagine I'll do the same. Thanks.

Is there any complete pack for the first 555 kanji, as per represented by the KO2001? I would like to use voice as well. I found NukeMarine's files on Smart.FM, so are those the ones everybody is using?

Anything else I need to know? I don't want to upload each card manually.

I'm literally just about to start aswell, got my anki deck from ahibba. My books arrived today, on christmas eve, an early present

I wish we could hold polls here on the forum, I'd like to see a general overview and perhaps an average of how long it took everyone.

meolox Wrote:I'd like to see a general overview and perhaps an average of how long it took everyone.

2 months. 頑張れ

mezbup Wrote:

meolox Wrote:I'd like to see a general overview and perhaps an average of how long it took everyone.

2 months. 頑張れ

Is that the overall consensus or personal opinion? I've been looking through it and it doesn't look too hard, I figure I could do 20 Kanji a day, That would be 55 days to finish both books, so just under 2 months as you said, though 20 a day might get a bit difficult.

Does anybody actually own the ebook version that you buy from Coscom and if so is the software good enough in your opinion to not have to throw the sentences from it into an srs for kanji reading retention.

I have it and no it's not really good enough unless you have a very good visual memory. Since there's no software really you just have to click around on web pages located on the cd.

Well if u are about to start KO2001 soon, you are in luck because next week I am going to be working on finishing out the lists on smart.fm to bring the current 1110 kanji up to 2001... U can just import all that into anki if you like

I've been at it for like 6 months, and I haven't even finished book 1 yet -_-

meolox Wrote:

mezbup Wrote:

meolox Wrote:I'd like to see a general overview and perhaps an average of how long it took everyone.

2 months. 頑張れ

Is that the overall consensus or personal opinion? I've been looking through it and it doesn't look too hard, I figure I could do 20 Kanji a day, That would be 55 days to finish both books, so just under 2 months as you said, though 20 a day might get a bit difficult.

That would be quite fast in my opinion. 60 new sentences a day is pretty heavy. The reviews would get monstrous after a while, especially if you write any of the sentence out when you review. I'm on book 2 right now. I'm not really sure how long it took me to finish book one but it was over 2 months at least.

That said, if you can do 20 kanji a day, ganbare!

Hashiriya Wrote:Well if u are about to start KO2001 soon, you are in luck because next week I am going to be working on finishing out the lists on smart.fm to bring the current 1110 kanji up to 2001... U can just import all that into anki if you like

I'm interested in this!! God it's kinda tempting given the fast results I got with KO2001 but i'll be honest and say that there are plenty of words that I can read that were not in KO but use the same kanji that I don't know what they mean because i've never come across them. Not saying I can't read just saying KO doesn't teach you every word that use all those kanji! There's still lots of vocab I need to learn hence working through this list wont make me be able to read fluently just because I can read 2001 kanji. Ah if only it worked like that. I'll stick with my slowly but surely method this time round and knock out the other 700 jouyou i've got left. Though it helps enormously knowing how to read a word you don't know the meaning of when you want to look it up

Hashiriya Wrote:Well if u are about to start KO2001 soon, you are in luck because next week I am going to be working on finishing out the lists on smart.fm to bring the current 1110 kanji up to 2001... U can just import all that into anki if you like

That's so killer! Now we don't need to wait another year for Coscom to come out with KO3 I guess. Lets us know when you have finished it!

sure, no problem... i was gonna save it as a New Year's surprise for everyone and just randomly throw it up on the website when i got done with it... but i figured that some people that are beginning the KO2001 journey might like to know that it is in the works... I was working through the 1110 kanji from before recently in Anki as I had previously studied them in smart.fm and had forgotten a lot. Now that I am about caught up to 1110 again, I'll finish making the rest as I review what I have currently studied... I imagine that I'll have it completed sometime during the 1st week of January... if anybody can give me a list of the kanji that don't appear in KO2001 but do appear in RtK1, I would like to include them as well...

Out of interest Hashiriya, how many words does that bring the total of vocabulary for all 2001 kanji?

Also, have you experimented with the sorted sentence approach?

i'm not sure of either honestly... i don't know what the sorted sentence approach is... but i prefer to study words sharing similar kanji just fine... I'll be able to tell you how many words the vocab will be only when I finish inputting it all in ... the new smart.fm is a bit easier to use when it comes to creating lists though i might say...

my current plans for this year:
1) finish out KO2001
2) finish out all the dictionaries of Japanese grammar
3) work on building my speaking ability up to my reading ability

I still watch Japanese TV all day long while I do the above and carry my iPod touch with ankimini on it wherever i go... got plenty of Japanese music/ podcasts on it as well... I have been writing all of the kanji as i study around 3hrs/day on Anki on my KO2001 deck and my writing has improved quite a lot I might say... I only study the grammar maybe an hour a day and I just read it only... it's working all right for me so far, so i'll keep at it

Hashiriya that is awesome news and I will greatly appreciate it. I'm just about to finish up book two of KO2001. I was really wanting to finish out the rest of the Joyo with their frequency order before I left for Japan so this will be perfect.

Hashiriya Wrote:i'm not sure of either honestly... i don't know what the sorted sentence approach is... but i prefer to study words sharing similar kanji just fine... I'll be able to tell you how many words the vocab will be only when I finish inputting it all in ... the new smart.fm is a bit easier to use when it comes to creating lists though i might say...

Well, to explain it briefly: 2001KO showed us that kanji sorted by both frequency and themes makes for a more intuitive learning approach. As such, the words presented in that order are learned just as intuitively (as you personally experienced).

Problem people were running into was in the sample sentences that help give context to the vocabulary words. Vocabulary words that would be taught much later were appearing early on in the sample sentences making it difficult early on to learn words with those sentences. Ways around that problem were: suspend cards with too many new words, create cards for each new word in the sentences, activate sentences that teach new words, etc.

However, a couple of guys on here wrote programs that sort sentences based on the kanji in them. All one did is provide a kanji list to base the sorting off of. So, in theory, every new word with every sentence contained only kanji you've been exposed to up to that point or was the next new kanji to learn.

So, using Core 2k and 6k as a source of sentences for words picked by KO 2001. That gives a sentence per word. Then sort the sentences to ensure that complex words are not in sentences used to teach simpler words. It's almost a win/win/win.

So Nukemarine, if I use your KO2001 deck on Smart.FM, should I do anything to help sort this? Now I'm a bit confused. Sorry! Going through KO2001 a couple days ago, I found myself in a wealth of words I've never seen before, and such. So I stopped to practice some sentences using the Smart.FM basic 2,000 sentences.