Hi,

I was wondering if there are some type of resources available that goes over the pronunciation of special characters like "+, -, =, ☆" and so on in japanese. I tried looking but I couldn't find it and I wouldn't know where to begin looking in a dictionary.

On a side note, how do you type the ☆ on a mac? I can't seem to figure it out with the japanese input. Thanks.

For me it shows as the seventh and eighth (hollow and filled, respectively) option for converting ほし.

Edit: this is actually using ことえり/OS X.

~J

risend Wrote:Hi,
On a side note, how do you type the ☆ on a mac? I can't seem to figure it out with the japanese input. Thanks.

In Windows you type ほし (star) and hit space to see ☆ or ★

How does one get that cute musical note? there must be a full list of these somewhere..

♪（おんぷ）

I can't remember if that's how it naturally is in Windows or if I added that myself.

albion Wrote:♪（おんぷ）

I can't remember if that's how it naturally is in Windows or if I added that myself.

♪　yep it works as standard!

Someone made a good thread on TJP that listed a lot of these symbols:
http://thejapanesepage.com/forum/viewtop...15&t=12614

[Katsuo]

記号の読み方辞典

The symbols have names, but you don't pronounce them..

You don't say "comma" "period" "semicolon" etc in English when reading a sentence either..

..with the exception of math

1+2-3=0

1　たす　2　ひく　3　は　ゼロ

I'm pretty sure you pronounce ☆ as *Jazz Hands*

yudantaiteki Wrote:Someone made a good thread on TJP that listed a lot of these symbols:
http://thejapanesepage.com/forum/viewtop...15&t=12614

That is a tremendously useful link. Thank you. ☆

That link also has other useful information in it -- I can't believe it took me over 10 years of using the IME before I knew that you can hit F7 to convert everything you just typed to katakana...it's kind of embarassing.

Wow cool まんじ = 卍

Reverse nazi!!

aphasiac Wrote:Wow cool まんじ = 卍

Reverse nazi!!

You do realize that the Nazis stole that symbol because of what it meant, right? They didn't create it.

"Stole" is a pretty absurd way of putting it; the National Socialist party adopted it as representative of Aryan descent, in accord with archaeological speculation regarding connection with symbols found on German archaeological artifacts.

~J

woodwojr Wrote:"Stole" is a pretty absurd way of putting it; the National Socialist party adopted it as representative of Aryan descent, in accord with archaeological speculation regarding connection with symbols found on German archaeological artifacts.

~J

Considering that everyone under the age of 40 has been brainwashed to think of it as 'the Nazi symbol', I think 'stole' is a pretty accurate word. Simply drawing the symbol in school will get you a trip to the school psychologist because you simply must mean it as a Nazi symbol and there's no way you mean it as 'good luck' or even just a cool shape.

yudantaiteki Wrote:That link also has other useful information in it -- I can't believe it took me over 10 years of using the IME before I knew that you can hit F7 to convert everything you just typed to katakana...it's kind of embarassing.

Wow, that would have been nice to know. :|

yudantaiteki Wrote:That link also has other useful information in it -- I can't believe it took me over 10 years of using the IME before I knew that you can hit F7 to convert everything you just typed to katakana...it's kind of embarassing.

F7 huh? Gotta remember that one, manually switching output to katakana is such a pain. I know I've heard of shortcuts like this before, but I can never remember them.
Welcome to RevTK, by the way.

yudantaiteki Wrote:That link also has other useful information in it -- I can't believe it took me over 10 years of using the IME before I knew that you can hit F7 to convert everything you just typed to katakana...it's kind of embarassing.

You can....?! O_O

Oh wow! I can't believe some of you didn't know the F7 trick! Not knowing that would make typing Japanese a real pain in the ass, eh?

yudantaiteki Wrote:That link also has other useful information in it -- I can't believe it took me over 10 years of using the IME before I knew that you can hit F7 to convert everything you just typed to katakana...it's kind of embarassing.

Speaking of which, does mac have an "F7 trick"?

Also, don't complain about the Japanese input until you try korean (the romanized one, that is).

Ryuujin27 Wrote:

yudantaiteki Wrote:That link also has other useful information in it -- I can't believe it took me over 10 years of using the IME before I knew that you can hit F7 to convert everything you just typed to katakana...it's kind of embarassing.

Speaking of which, does mac have an "F7 trick"?

Also, don't complain about the Japanese input until you try korean (the romanized one, that is).

The OS X IME is far superior to the windows one so you don't need F7. Simply write in capital letters and you get katakana. kore = これ, KORE = コレ

Ryuujin27 Wrote:Speaking of which, does mac have an "F7 trick"?

Like Tobberoth implies, ことえり's "F7 trick" is the shift key.

Edit: though apparently it's still not considered very good by at least some Japanese standards. I just wandered into some very amusing rant sessions about it on þe olde intarwebs (obligatory 2ch thread).

~J

Kotoeri's f7 trick is also... f7.

f6 for hiragana
f8 for romaji
f9 for full-width romaji

And yes, hardcore Japanese computer users use third party IME software. Most complaints with the built in ones seem to be about the kanji suggestions not being the best, not the actual interface.

Tobberoth Wrote:The OS X IME is far superior to the windows one so you don't need F7. Simply write in capital letters and you get katakana. kore = これ, KORE = コレ

F7 actually uses less keystrokes.

If you have to use CAPS, you either have to constantly hold down the shift key (a pain), or press Caps Lock twice (one more keystroke than simply pressing F7 once)

Shift has less travel, since you just need to hold down a key you're in position to hit anyway.

~J