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Playing RPGs to improve your reading pace

#1
Hi everyone!

A few weeks ago I asked for recommendations for Japanese texts I could read in order to improve my reading speed. At that time I had just taken a past JLPT2 exam (2008) and failed it with 48%, mainly because I couldn't make it through the reading comprehension in time. The past few weeks I have been reading these books a little, but I'm not a person who can read for a long time without drifting off. So I decided to play Dragon Quest IX for Nintendo DS instead. The rule for playing: ALWAYS talk to ALL people in EVERY town, and read EVERYTHING they say (in other words, don't just press the A button until the text box disappears). Other than that, I didn't keep on learning Japanese except for repeating my flashcards. I spent a total of 50 hours playing the game, and yesterday I took another JLPT2 (from 2006). This time I managed to finish the grammar, read all the texts through, and have about 8 of 70 minutes left. Total score: 78%.

What I'm trying to say is:
1. Learning the vocabulary is one thing, but if you need to think 5 seconds for every compound, you'll run out of time halfway through.
2. The more you practice reading, the more you can skim over all the kana parts and only see the Kanji. Let's take 「働かせなければなりません」 as an example. Without much practive, you'll read the whole thing, which is tedious. With practice, you'll get to the point where: 1. you see the kanji, you think "work", 2. you see かせ, you think "make someone", 3. you kind of see なければなりません as a whole structure and think "have to".
3. When you play Japanese RPGs, don't try to understand everything. There will be a lot of words you don't exactly know, because everything is in a fantasy context. If you don't know a word, just try to guess from the context and move on. For example, I didn't know what 遺跡 was, and I couldn't really guess it from the two kanji. I just guessed from the context that it had to be some kind of place with monsters in it, maybe a dungeon or a cave. I then went to the place to solve the quest and noticed "Oh, it is a ruin". It would have been redundant to look up the word. What I did look up was words like 器用さ, 素早さ, 魔法 and so on. They appear in every RPG, so it's worth it.
4. You get a feeling for nuances like ~ませぬ instead of ~ません, じゃね~ instead of じゃない, who uses them and what they communicate.

That's it Smile I hope this information is useful to some of you. Those above my level will know it anyway I guess, but I was so surprised of my 30% improvement that I thought I had to post it.
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#2
Great post and awesome to hear of such good results!

I'm playing through Breath Of Fire 3 on PSX (sporadically) and a trick I've notice that can help quite a lot is to play through a section of the game looking up what you need to (doesn't have to be EVERYTHING). Then once you're past that part of the game go back and play through it again and you'll be amazed at the words you didn't no before which present no trouble now and you'll pick up what you still didn't learn.

If it's not for you then don't do it but if you wanna give it a go (or you keep failing a boss) you can see for yourself.

RPG's FTW!
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#3
@timewastin It's always helpful to share your experience, and it was helpful to me because I was hesitating a little to play through Japanese games, but now I'm not!
Thanks Smile

@mezbup Great advice, never though about it :o thanks!
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#4
Thank you for the recommendation, I can't wait to finish RTK.

Other game in where it's necessary to read a lot is Professor Layton. Highly recommended.
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#5
Currently playing Mario & Luigi 3 for DS.

Feels cool to be able to play a game and understand it before it's been released in English.
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#6
Heh, I'm glad some of you found this useful! Smile I have been learning a lot from others' experiences on here.

Definitely agree about the "playing games unreleased outside Japan". Also, there are many good Squaresoft RPGs that never made it overseas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Square_games

I highly recommend Soma Bringer (DS). It's like Diablo in an Anime setting, and very read-intensive. Oh, and The World Ends With You (素晴らしきこの世界) for youth language. Games are a great part of Japanese culture waiting to be enjoyed Smile
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#7
Hmm, out of interest: What are some good RPG's (in Japanese) you'd recommend for -
Nintendo emulator
Genesis emulator
SNES emulator
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#8
There's the old standbys of Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Chrono Trigger, Earthbound (SNES), and Phantasy Star (Genesis). You can also get Star Ocean and Tales of Phantasia on SNES these days (I remember when we weren't able to emulate them!)

But you may have been asking the OP specifically... Tongue
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#9
No, asking anyone in general that gave it a shot. Actually, Masamo and Magamo would be good for getting an opinion on the matter.

Yeah, old standby's that were popular in English are a good start. I'm wondering about Japanese releases that may not have made it to the US but were still good. Modern day rpg's are what I'm really looking for, which I cannot recall many (or any) that were released in the US.
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#10
I think in addition to RPG's, playing games like cooking games (like DS Ryouri Navi), travel games, money managing games etc is also very useful since it's more practical.
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#11
Nukemarine Wrote:SNES emulator
Of course Zelda: A Link to the Past, Secret Of Mana (Japanese Title: Seiken Densetsu 2), Dragon Quest III and V, Romancing Saga series (haven't played it, but seems good) and Estpolis Denki I and II (english title: Lufia).
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#12
It's a good idea, but keep an eye out for the games that use only hiragana. (I'm looking at you, Pokemon!)
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#13
I wasn't going to post this question until around Christmas time as I am not at a level yet where I feel it would be necessary, but seeing as this thread cropped up it seems like a good place to ask.

I had been looking at acquiring some Japanese books but was somewhat put-off by the extortionate price especially for postage. I would have gone the ebook route but I also wanted the inspiration of having a physical object to flick through.

I then thought that maybe a cheaper and more effective way would be to get a Japanese Nintendo DS, although I am not much of a gamer these days there would be a couple of titles such as the FF games I would play. Do you think this would be a more cost effective route if I were to buy a couple of text heavy games? Do you think it might be better when starting out (after RTK1, Tae Kim, and KO book 1) as there is the whole game 'element' which may be better than getting stuck and grinding through a native book?
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#14
Shingo Wrote:I then thought that maybe a cheaper and more effective way would be to get a Japanese Nintendo DS, although I am not much of a gamer these days there would be a couple of titles such as the FF games I would play.
Get that DS asap! The great thing about DS 'games' is that it covers a whole range, from educational games to rpg's to dictionaries to informative games. Not only is it good practise for your Japanese, it's also a nice way to spice up your learning routine. You 'play' and learn at the same time! :lol:

ps: if you buy one of those 'special cards' then it'll be even more worthwhile! just blame it on the recession Tongue
Edited: 2009-09-26, 2:38 pm
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#15
Seeing as how recommendations were requested and all I'll link to http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=3597&page=2 and http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?tid=3128, earlier threads on the subject of playing games.

My personal current recommendation is the 逆転裁判(ぎゃくてんさいばん) series and of course the parallell 逆転検事(ぎゃくてんけんじ). Five full lawyer/prosecutor adventure games with awesome characters and a gameplay that stimulates you to understand what's going on (so you won't fail horribly at presenting the right evidence). All are available for DS, even though the first three were originally GBA games. It's not kid's talk, but since it's geared towards teens as well as adults it seems to make things easier, by using kana instead of kanji at places (also serves as a sort of emphasis).

ps. shingo try checking libraries in the vicinity for japanese books. I've found a bunch in nearby libraries, and I've seen people from other countries mention the same thing. You might just luck out.
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#16
Shingo Wrote:I then thought that maybe a cheaper and more effective way would be to get a Japanese Nintendo DS
The DS is region-free, so you don't have to specifically get a Japanese one.
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#17
I don't think buying a DS and games would be cheaper than buying books. If you can put it to good use, though, and DS is really great.
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#18
Musashi Wrote:I think in addition to RPG's, playing games like cooking games (like DS Ryouri Navi), travel games, money managing games etc is also very useful since it's more practical.
oh snap! I never thought about that! That's a really great idea especially to become proficient in understand language specific to those areas Smile

I may just give some of those games a lookup Smile
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mezbup Wrote:
Musashi Wrote:I think in addition to RPG's, playing games like cooking games (like DS Ryouri Navi), travel games, money managing games etc is also very useful since it's more practical.
oh snap! I never thought about that! That's a really great idea especially to become proficient in understand language specific to those areas Smile

I may just give some of those games a lookup Smile
Thats the beauty of DS, last time I saw they even have an Japanese Onsen 'game' with all things related to...well onsen Big Grin
Yea there is a whole wide variety.
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#20
Surreal Wrote:My personal current recommendation is the 逆転裁判(ぎゃくてんさいばん) series and of course the parallell 逆転検事(ぎゃくてんけんじ).
#2.

Great story, great characters, fun to play. Also, there's such an abundance of law-related vocabulary, you'll be speaking Lawpanese in no time.
Edited: 2009-09-27, 3:12 am
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#21
Ryajinor Wrote:It's a good idea, but keep an eye out for the games that use only hiragana. (I'm looking at you, Pokemon!)
Actually, I've played through many pokemon titles in Japanese, more for the fun of it than for the learning. What it does, though, is to strengthen your hiragana a lot. When you're still at the point where you confuse ね and れ or め and ぬ, it will help a lot with your hiragana reading skills.

What do you guys think about games with furigana? Dragon Quest IX had furigana over all kanji; it was pretty handy to look up stuff (not having to use the IME hand writing), but sometimes a little to easy.
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#22
timewastin Wrote:What do you guys think about games with furigana? Dragon Quest IX had furigana over all kanji; it was pretty handy to look up stuff (not having to use the IME hand writing), but sometimes a little to easy.
I wish every game would handle it like zelda does.
It doesnt spoil you by automatically giving you furigana, but you can click on the kanji if you dont know the reading or want to look up a new word.

Due to this thread, I'd decided to give Fire Emblem another shot.
I initially played it in english for a bit, but soon dropped it cause I was a bit bored with getting spammed with new units every chapter >.>.
So I decided to just ritually execute all the unwanted characters this time around Wink
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#23
Yea Zelda was tha bomb, I didnt even know it before I read it on the internet that that was possible.
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Shingo Wrote:I then thought that maybe a cheaper and more effective way would be to get a Japanese Nintendo DS, although I am not much of a gamer these days there would be a couple of titles such as the FF games I would play. Do you think this would be a more cost effective route if I were to buy a couple of text heavy games? Do you think it might be better when starting out (after RTK1, Tae Kim, and KO book 1) as there is the whole game 'element' which may be better than getting stuck and grinding through a native book?
Since you mentioned books, you might trying looking for (certain) adventure games or sound novels. The writing is similar to books, with descriptions in prose and not just dialogue.

The only one I can name off the top of my head is Hayarigami (流行り神 警視庁怪異事件ファイル), since just I played a demo of that last night. The one I played was the PSP version, but there's a DS one for the first two games as well.

http://hayarigami.com/index.html
http://nippon1.jp/titlelineup/ds_hayarigami.html
http://nippon1.jp/titlelineup/ds_hayarigami2.html
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#25
albion Wrote:you might trying looking for (certain) adventure games or sound novels.
Make sure you check out Machi (for Playstation, you can play it on an emulator like ePSXe). Very text-intensive, and the Japanese have voted it 5th best video game of all time. You can get the ISO on the internet, I think the page is called snesarama or something similar, but I'm not allowed to link to it. Wink

Oh, and Ichido wa Yonde de Okitai Nihon Bungaku 100 Sen. It's basically a collection of Japanese literature to read on the DS.
Edited: 2009-09-27, 6:45 am
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