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WontStop Wrote:I do not see how it is possible to learn 25 words an hour and actually remember them all the next hour. This just seems beyond me. Is everyone on this board masters of studying? What do you all take in college/do in real life?

Remembering them the next hour is easy. Remembering them each hour after that, while adding new words at the same rate is the hard part. I can remember that much in a hour. Just don't quiz me on it 3 days later

I give you three hours and you will learn 75 words...and once tested you will be able to get at least 95% right? When I was in college I could cram pretty hard core, but please, tell me your process...because it seems in anki am doing something wrong then.

You add a word to Anki while reading it a few times to get it stuck in your head.
You add another word...

At what point do you start going through the ones you added and stopped adding?

Like do you sit down...read one word, add, read one word, add until you added them all and then go through them a bunch of times in anki until you get them all right?

Baffles me...

I think the problem with studying only to pass JLPT1, although it gives you an actual accreditation of your proficiency, is that in regards to learning to speak and understand Japanese fluently, it is a waste of time.Of course it will help with reading comprehension and understanding spoken Japanese due to the number of words, grammar points you need to learn. But when it comes to a real life situation, will it really help?

I was speaking to one of my Japanese lecturers, who is privately mentoring a couple of older students to pass JLPT1, about the test and what it involves. Basically she said that most of the content (words, grammar) that is covered isn't used by normal everyday Japanese people on a day-to-day basis, and that she even had difficulty trying to work out what was going on with it sometimes.

OsakaDan Wrote:I think the problem with studying only to pass JLPT1, although it gives you an actual accreditation of your proficiency, is that in regards to learning to speak and understand Japanese fluently, it is a waste of time. Although, of course it will help with reading comprehension and understanding spoken Japanesee due to the number of words, grammar points you need to learn. But when it comes to a real life situation, will it really help?

I was speaking to one of my Japanese lecturers, who is privately mentoring a couple of older students to pass JLPT1, about the test and what it involves. Basically she said that most of the content (words, grammar) that is covered isn't used by normal everyday Japanese people on a day-to-day basis, and that she even had difficulty trying to work out what was going on with it sometimes.

Exactly, I don't know about you guys, but if you gave me a English test right now, I probably wouldn't fair very well...yet(please don't judge by my forum postings) I can write essays, business letters, notes, etc..really well. Maybe not amazing, but from what I have seen of my college graduated peers, errr..ummm....above par.

WontStop Wrote:I give you three hours and you will learn 75 words...and once tested you will be able to get at least 95% right? When I was in college I could cram pretty hard core, but please, tell me your process...because it seems in anki am doing something wrong then.

Depending on the language and whether or not the word is new I have different techniques. Right now for learning vocab in Japanese I'm using wordlists. It's surprising; the amount of words you can memorize with this technique is insane.

Quote:You add a word to Anki while reading it a few times to get it stuck in your head.
You add another word...

That's insanely slow. Unless you supplement that with images or mnemonics you're gonna give yourself a headache.

Quote:At what point do you start going through the ones you added and stopped adding?

At that pace!? Never. I can do that pace, but it leaves time for nothing else

Quote:Like do you sit down...read one word, add, read one word, add until you added them all and then go through them a bunch of times in anki until you get them all right?

Baffles me...

Premade decks are you friend. Learn a group of words then review them.

Is wordlists a program or idea..or just litterally a wordlist.

WontStop Wrote:I do not see how it is possible to learn 25 words an hour and actually remember them all the next hour. This just seems beyond me. Is everyone on this board masters of studying? What do you all take in college/do in real life?

My guess is, the reason you can't fathom it, is because you haven't actually tried it. People are capable of a lot more than they think they are. I have 71% retention on first time cards, 91% on young cards and 86% on mature cards according to Anki. As retention rates go, they're probably on the lower end of average retention rates I've seen people talking about on this forum. The real problem is that not many people have enough spare time to add that many cards; not remembering them (SRS takes care of that).

Is there any chatroom for this place( I know chatrooms are the bastard corner of the internet) I just think forums are slow and annoying at times when trying to have a conversation.

WontStop Wrote:Is there any chatroom for this place( I know chatrooms are the bastard corner of the internet) I just think forums are slow and annoying at times when trying to have a conversation.

No chat function. Read this thread and this one for vocabulary learning ideas. Personally if I use word lists I just add them to Anki, suspend them and only review them a few hours later. Also, when you're learning large numbers of words, a lower success rate is OK. Which is better, remembering 50% of 10000 words, or 95% of 2000 words? Basically if you're struggling to remember a particular word, let the Anki leech system remove it for you and carry on. You can always come back later and add more sentences, better context etc.

Actually I think there is an unnoficial forum IRC channel. I don't use it so I'm not familiar with the details. I think bombpersons was the one who suggested it/runs it?

masaman Wrote:65% of the exam takers are Chinese and other 15% are Korean, so I assume they came up with the hours based mainly on the experience with Chinese and Korean people. Now it takes 3 times more for English natives to learn Japanese than German, so you get the idea.

That's interesting, I always thought there were more Koreans taking the JLPT than the Chinese. There are more Koreans studying Japanese than Mandarin and English speakers combined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_la...e_speakers