I don't have the book. And I was curious if anyone has Spreedsheet of all the 2000+ kanji for me to print out.

If it was broke into lessons also that would be amazing.

I know a physical lesson will make my visuals of this language much easier for me.

Anyone help?

Thank you!

Matty0187 Wrote:I don't have the book. And I was curious if anyone has Spreedsheet of all the 2000+ kanji for me to print out.

If it was broke into lessons also that would be amazing.

I know a physical lesson will make my visuals of this language much easier for me.

Anyone help?

Thank you!

If you don't have the book, you're kinda going up the creek without a paddle. I'm sure that people have all the kanji from Volume 1 put into a spreadsheet, but broke into lessons like the book? I dunno, that's really meticulous and time-consuming.

Get 30 or so bucks, search around Amazon, and get yourself a copy of the book. You'll save yourself much heartache that way.

Buy the book.

Man, this makes no sense to me. If you are willing to learn why dont you do the work yourself?

here lets brake it down:

1. Go to google.com
2. In the big white box there, type in Kanji list
3. Pat yourself on the back.

Learning Kanji is super easy. Time x effort = result. Its not rocket science.

Why not buy the book? A good chunk of the beginning is available free on the author's website. If you don't like it enough to buy it at that point, maybe you should try another method of learning the kanji.

Draak Wrote:Man, this makes no sense to me. If you are willing to learn why dont you do the work yourself?

here lets brake it down:

1. Go to google.com
2. In the big white box there, type in Kanji list
3. Pat yourself on the back.

Learning Kanji is super easy. Time x effort = result. Its not rocket science.

Now this is very unnecessary(I felt like being annoying), but couldn't you say the same for anything? It seems to me that the whole "learning Kanji is super easy" logic that so many people on this forum seem to take is just sophistry. I mean, I could learn the kanji and then be humble to everyone I meet, telling them that It's just so easy and anyone could do it if they put in enough time and effort. The fact is, the shear amount of time and effort it requires is not easy for most people. Though I suppose you could take the stance that anyone could put in the time and effort, it's not going to make it any easier. As an example most people can understand, to run 10+ miles a day on the treadmill is not easy, although you can do it with time and effort as well. Hell, most people would have trouble with two to four miles a day, although this is just an induction.

There's nothing wrong with your equation, by the way. It really is time x effort = result- it's just that EFFORT requires you to try HARD, which does not equate to easy. Something that is easy is done without effort, completely contrasting its antonym, hard. It's better to say "learning kanji can be done by anyone if they put the time and effort in," which I'd assume has been said already here on many occasions.

Now then, my personal opinion is that learning the kanji is easy.

... what? I just contradicted myself? Oops.

Anyway, go get the book. I was tempted to pirate a copy at first, but I decided that such a convenient device deserved better than that. lmao

Tornadic_Indignation Wrote:Anyway, go get the book. I was tempted to pirate a copy at first, but I decided that such a convenient device deserved better than that. lmao

Haha. I would have pirated the book regardless of how convenient it was, but the portability of a book (and the lack of a laptop) made it a priority for me to get it. Realizing that Heisig put years and years of work into this method would make me feel sort of bad otherwise.

If you absolutely don't have the resources to buy the book (which some people don't) then you can find a torrent of it. The thing that one reallllllly needs the book for is learning stroke order IMO. Plus you need to know what new primitives are when they pop up but you could guess that by looking at teh stories on this site alone.

Check your local library. If it is not there, you most likely can request a copy be sent from another Michigan library location.

I don't think the book is necessary to study, just use this site (more essential tool than the book in my opinion) and/or Anki (has a downloadable RTK deck).

I just ordered a copy as a token of my gratitude towards the author and also as reminder of what I've been through

bodhisamaya Wrote:Check your local library. If it is not there, you most likely can request a copy be sent from another Michigan library location.

Too pro! Sad how little i use the library. But i called and the book will be shipped in by monday! thank you for the advice.

Also after looking I did find an XML of All the kanji for reference.
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?0xjxwmmj42z
Their will be syntax all over. Just rename the extension to .txt

It is a nice reference while on the toilet or anywhere else.

The list of kanji you can get from this site, along with (usually) better stories than in the book. Actually, since they discourage putting Heisig's stories into this site, sometimes he has the best story that just isn't in the site. Other times, his stories are not useful. That's subjective of course since what works for one person might not work for someone else. The thing that the book has that this site is missing is when a new "primitive" is introduced it is either missing from the site, or there is no indication that the name is changed between the kanji and the primitive. If you follow along with the book, then you will be able to catch that, otherwise you might get slightly confused by peoples' stories sometimes. The book helps somewhat for stroke order, but generally he will only show a given primitive's stroke order once. That's why I keep this link http://www.yamasa.cc/members/ocjs/kanjid...3?OpenForm in my Toolbar so that while I'm reviewing or studying here on this site, and I want to check on a stroke order, I just copy the character out of RevTK and paste it into the above link. The above link is missing a few characters that RTK has, but not too many.

edit: also, in the "progress chart" you can see how many kanji are in each chapter. if you put that in a spreadsheet you could calculate what number each chapter starts on. The chapters really aren't that important though. Just study whatever makes sense each day.

edit: oh yeah, Heisig also stops providing stories after a certain number of chapters

I would love to have a new edition of the book with all the stories filled out with maybe the top couple of stories from THIS site. I am reliant on the stories here, they almost always work out right away. That way I could study without having to be at the computer. I can't use just the book and come up with very good stories. Other people probably don't have that problem, but then again, if that was the case they wouldn't need this site either.

Be sure to check the Errata because there are mistakes in the various editions of the book. Hope you're not getting too old of an edition.

Here's a link to the errata for the 5th edition 1st printing.
http://www.nanzan-u.ac.jp/SHUBUNKEN/publ...errata.pdf

The copy I bought earlier this year is 5th edition 2nd printing, and it has some, but not all of the errors listed in the above link.

There used to be errata for previous editions but I'm not sure what happened to them.

drivers99 Wrote:The list of kanji you can get from this site, along with (usually) better stories than in the book. Actually, since they discourage putting Heisig's stories into this site, sometimes he has the best story that just isn't in the site. Other times, his stories are not useful. That's subjective of course since what works for one person might not work for someone else. The thing that the book has that this site is missing is when a new "primitive" is introduced it is either missing from the site, or there is no indication that the name is changed between the kanji and the primitive. If you follow along with the book, then you will be able to catch that, otherwise you might get slightly confused by peoples' stories sometimes. The book helps somewhat for stroke order, but generally he will only show a given primitive's stroke order once. That's why I keep this link http://www.yamasa.cc/members/ocjs/kanjid...3?OpenForm in my Toolbar so that while I'm reviewing or studying here on this site, and I want to check on a stroke order, I just copy the character out of RevTK and paste it into the above link. The above link is missing a few characters that RTK has, but not too many.

edit: also, in the "progress chart" you can see how many kanji are in each chapter. if you put that in a spreadsheet you could calculate what number each chapter starts on. The chapters really aren't that important though. Just study whatever makes sense each day.

edit: oh yeah, Heisig also stops providing stories after a certain number of chapters

I would love to have a new edition of the book with all the stories filled out with maybe the top couple of stories from THIS site. I am reliant on the stories here, they almost always work out right away. That way I could study without having to be at the computer. I can't use just the book and come up with very good stories. Other people probably don't have that problem, but then again, if that was the case they wouldn't need this site either.

Be sure to check the Errata because there are mistakes in the various editions of the book. Hope you're not getting too old of an edition.

Here's a link to the errata for the 5th edition 1st printing.
http://www.nanzan-u.ac.jp/SHUBUNKEN/publ...errata.pdf

The copy I bought earlier this year is 5th edition 2nd printing, and it has some, but not all of the errors listed in the above link.

There used to be errata for previous editions but I'm not sure what happened to them.

Speaking of the errata, how come Heisig hasn't noticed the mislabeled kanji for town and village? Most people have pointed this out, and I've even noticed in several video games that the keywords don't fit and that they need to be switched around.