I did production a long time, everything was going great. When writing the sentence out you feel like you really understand it also. But then I got into time problems and was forced to switch over to recognition cards.
Now when I review I sometimes feel like I am not grasping the meaning of the sentence even though I can say it all. I have japanese definitions, but even those are hard to understand sometimes.
Worst of all, I think I am starting to know my own sentences so well that I can just read the compounds in the sentence because unconsciously I have memorized the sentence!

Anyone feeling the same or can anyone help me?

-Mesqueeb

Khatz warned about this. Its happening to me too, but I have no idea how to avoid it.

Nii87 Wrote:Khatz warned about this. Its happening to me too, but I have no idea how to avoid it.

What I do is follow along with my finger when I read, that way as I read the said kanji I am forced to have my eye focused on it. I read it slowly the first time then read it once more at native speed. Seems to help. Just putting it out there.

I think I've seen Nukemarine write that he has Anki make him write out the sentence in grammar questions so he pays attention. You might do that maybe.

blackmacros Wrote:I think I've seen Nukemarine write that he has Anki make him write out the sentence in grammar questions so he pays attention. You might do that maybe.

You mean starting production again?
I did production cards for a long time, but I have no more time to do it. It takes too long to review them. I agree that I am fine with production cards, but I just can't =S.

Yarrrrr! 困ったな!!

-Mesqueeb

Mesqueeb Wrote:

blackmacros Wrote:I think I've seen Nukemarine write that he has Anki make him write out the sentence in grammar questions so he pays attention. You might do that maybe.

You mean starting production again?
I did production cards for a long time, but I have no more time to do it. It takes too long to review them. I agree that I am fine with production cards, but I just can't =S.

Yarrrrr! 困ったな!!

-Mesqueeb

Sort of, but not really. My concept of production is hand-writing the sentence, or the kanji compounds you're interested in at the least. What I was talking about there is a feature of anki where it lets you type in the sentence (as opposed to handwriting it). Its sort of a midway point between recognition and full production because typing is obviously faster, but it slows you down just enough to make sure you pay attention to the sentence.

And lets you practice typing in Japanese with an IME.

If you don't get the meaning of the sentence you have to fail that card. Testing your ability to read a sentence is only part of what you're testing and as you get better with kanji that gets easier.

You should know:
- how to read the sentence
- the meaning of the whole sentence
- the meaning of all the individual words and the grammar used

Never pass a card you can't do all of the above.

Codexus, I used to think that way. I'm becoming a bit more flexible in how I look at it now. It's within reason to start a bit more lax on what qualifies as passing, then up the difficulty as your ability increases.

Kanji: Some pass if they get all the primitives, even if placement is off. Later, they fail for wrong placement. Later, they'll fail if they get the strokes wrong. Later, they'll fail if they can't think of a Onyomi word for it.

Grammar: Don't care about meaning of words, just what the grammar is telling words to do. Later, you might fail a grammar sentence if you don't know the words in it.

Vocabulary: Fail only if you don't know the meaning. Fail if you can't write it from pronunciation and in a sentence. Fail if you don't know other words in the sentence.

Sentence mining: Fail if you don't know the meaning of the sentence. Later, fail if you can't read the entire sentence (or type it out if you hear it).

In all the above, one doesn't have to reset all their cards. It's just a "From here on out, I'm grading tougher" or "From here on out, I'm making it tougher".

What I meant about the sentence in detail is this: I'm currently going (Photo, Audio, Sentence, Kana) as the question. The answer is understanding and typing in the sentence. In my mind, this is a flash card equivalent of watching a TV show with subtitles. Later, as I become better, I can remove the kana making the typing harder (subtitles without furigana). Later still I can remove the kanji making the listening harder (subtitles off).

Just something to consider on how you approach sentences. It does not have to be a zero sum.

Nukemarine Wrote:Codexus, I used to think that way. I'm becoming a bit more flexible in how I look at it now. It's within reason to start a bit more lax on what qualifies as passing, then up the difficulty as your ability increases.

Kanji: Some pass if they get all the primitives, even if placement is off. Later, they fail for wrong placement. Later, they'll fail if they get the strokes wrong. Later, they'll fail if they can't think of a Onyomi word for it.

Grammar: Don't care about meaning of words, just what the grammar is telling words to do. Later, you might fail a grammar sentence if you don't know the words in it.

Vocabulary: Fail only if you don't know the meaning. Fail if you can't write it from pronunciation and in a sentence. Fail if you don't know other words in the sentence.

Sentence mining: Fail if you don't know the meaning of the sentence. Later, fail if you can't read the entire sentence (or type it out if you hear it).

In all the above, one doesn't have to reset all their cards. It's just a "From here on out, I'm grading tougher" or "From here on out, I'm making it tougher".

What I meant about the sentence in detail is this: I'm currently going (Photo, Audio, Sentence, Kana) as the question. The answer is understanding and typing in the sentence. In my mind, this is a flash card equivalent of watching a TV show with subtitles. Later, as I become better, I can remove the kana making the typing harder (subtitles without furigana). Later still I can remove the kanji making the listening harder (subtitles off).

Just something to consider on how you approach sentences. It does not have to be a zero sum.

+1

When I started doing the kanzen master ２級 grammar book, I passed cards even if I didn't know the vocab or readings, as long as I understood the meaning of the grammar point.
Now for any card where the grammar is easy I fail it if I don't know the meaning of the vocab, but if I don't know a reading I'll just mark it hard unless it's one I should know from my KO2001 deck.
In essence you can treat i+2 or i+3 material as i+1, then (i+1)+1 ...

Yonosa Wrote:What I do is follow along with my finger when I read, that way as I read the said kanji I am forced to have my eye focused on it. I read it slowly the first time then read it once more at native speed. Seems to help. Just putting it out there.

Hmm, thanks. I'll try that.

Me, I make vocabulary cards (which include the example sentence) out of the cards I've "memorized" but not learnt. It helps but creates more reviews than it should + the time it takes to make them.

what is production and what is recognition? People go on about this a lot and I don't understand what it is, I know its an Anki thing?

AmberUK Wrote:what is production and what is recognition? People go on about this a lot and I don't understand what it is, I know its an Anki thing?

Recognition is seeing a Japanese sentence and understanding it, recognizing the meaning in it.
Production is when you try to somehow go from something else into Japanese, producing it. Production isn't a good name though since in general, you don't actually produce anything "new". One form of production is to see words in hiragana and try to write the kanji. Another way is to hear Japanese and writing it down (dictation).

It has nothing to do with Anki per se, but those terms are used.

Add more sentences. After a certain point, you can't remember each sentence and you will fall back into having to read it.

brianobush Wrote:Add more sentences. After a certain point, you can't remember each sentence and you will fall back into having to read it.

At what point would that be? These sentences are like my children! All couple thousand of them.

brianobush Wrote:Add more sentences. After a certain point, you can't remember each sentence and you will fall back into having to read it.

Yeah. After I hit 500 facts or so, I lost the ability to instantly know which sentence it is. Of course, some sentences are special and unique in certain ways, but it's certainly not a problem any more.

QuackingShoe Wrote:

brianobush Wrote:Add more sentences. After a certain point, you can't remember each sentence and you will fall back into having to read it.

At what point would that be? These sentences are like my children! All couple thousand of them.

[Disclaimer: I have around 200 sentences thus far, so my thoughts/ideas are purely conjectures at this point.]

I am trying to several uses of any particular Kanji compound so it won't be easy to recall the exact sentence.

brianobush Wrote:Add more sentences. After a certain point, you can't remember each sentence and you will fall back into having to read it.

Brilliant! I never thought of that!