IceCream Wrote:Damn i have no idea how to do those multi-quotes.
1) It's a matter of copying and pasting the {quote=name}{/quote}
If you make a mistake the forum will warn you. I've been doing it for a while now.
IceCream Wrote:Yeah, I think if you look at things like a way to get into conversations, its not soooo bad. But, in The Game, people were taking whole routines to go from starting a conversation -> getting laid. This may be an exaggeration in some respects. But the book was extremely detailed on this.
The amount of detail may actually vary but I can't argue with the start to finish.
IceCream Wrote:You say that they are doing something wrong up until that point and therefore need to change it. But real human interaction doesn't work on rules like these.
Yes it does. For example: If you want someone's attention, but said someone tends to just ignore you, then you are doing something wrong. Meaning, you are not communicating effectively. Also the fact that many guys are successful in doing this is evidence that these rules are there. Perhaps not with every individual, but they do exist.
IceCream Wrote:Yes, of course there are some things people find more interesting than others in general. But it's more in someone's attitude and manner that are interesting, and not the things they say in themselves, i think. If using such lines makes you confident enough to not make someone else nervous, great. But at least think them up for yourself, or take them from your own interests.
You see, it's not the using of the lines that makes someone confident. It's the doing. The action. The repetition. Acting before you even have a chance to think about "rejection" (I was so trying to avoid this word). You yourself do it whenever you meet a female. The words, and the way you carry yourself might be different but you have to 1) Approach female 2) Initiate conversation. That is, unless, they just flock to you when you raise your arm, and their panties just drop when you snap your finger (the fantasy
). The lines are irrelevant, it just always helps to have something to say.
If you're thinking, "that's not in the Book," I use the word marketing again.
IceCream Wrote:Learning basic rules of human interaction isn't a bad thing at all. But pretending to be someone you're not just so you can get laid isnt great either. The problem for most shy people, is overthinking these types of things to begin with. Not that they don't think enough. So they aren't spontaneous enough. A set of pre-learned conversations can make you seem interesting, fun, and entertaining. But if you haven't thought for yourself and actually learned what is fun, or how to be interested in another person, it's never going to suceed long term.
Like before... the lines don't change the person. They are just an introduction. Everything else has to be learned. Everything else has its own dos and dont's. You are not pretending to be someone you are not. Of course it wont succeed longer term if you are pretending to be someone you are not.
There is a difference, though, between trying to be the person you want to be and simply trying to be someone else. We are not 'just' who we are. The person you were yesterday is not the person you are today. Tony Robbins anyone!?
IceCream Wrote:In the same way as we pick sentences we are interested in learning for Japanese, you find the way to be interesting, I think. But it has to come from your own interests to begin with. If i say a sentence in japanese that i've learned somewhere else and think is funny, it's still going to be coming from my own interests. Not from what i expect the response to be from the other person, or the effect it will have, or how interesting and funny it is to someone else, who has a certain theory about the sentence. Yes, you need to learn to say things in the right context (like using polite or normal grammar). But if you're trying to memorize whole passages of conversation, you're probably going about things the wrong way...
Let's expand that entire analogy. Let's call interaction with other people (not just women) a language. Within the language there are preset rules known as grammar. B4 braking rulez lurned they must be. Like the grammar in the previous sentence interactions with people can be altered to a degree if you know the rules. However, if a person new to this language attempts to do what I just did, he or she will communicate very little.
Now let's say that whenever this foreigner attempted to construct an ill-formed sentence the individual he/she was trying to talk to just walked away, made fun of him/her, went to the 'bathroom,' told the foreigner to shut the ***** up, or a did a plethora of other things (But this, of course, is highly unlikely in actual human interaction, right?). Needless to say, the interaction fails, and unfortunately the one native who likes broken English left two hours ago with the Japanese native.
Now a language coach comes in. The language coach outlines the language to the learner, and shows him or her the necessary steps to making a sentence. 'First subject then verb then object. Try it.' 'I go store.' 'Now let's add particles.' 'I go to store' 'Now let's conjugate the verb.' 'I going to store' 'Now let's add an article' 'I go to a store' 'No try again.' 'I going to the store.' 'Now adjust the tense' 'I am going to the store.' 'Good work! Now repeat.'
The foreigner now has options of who to form sentences in the direction of, and if an interaction goes nowhere, the foreigner can simply interact with another person. sHe's no longer limited to a single spectrum of individual who may or may not be present, and can talk with anyone.
The same way this coach just taught the basic rules of an English sentence, the Game introduces* the basic rules of engagement. These thing may seem obvious to some, ie those who've had the fortune to grow up around it, but to others, "it's like freaking Chinese man!"
* If you wanna be taught you gotta go to the source(s).
