TheTrueBlue Wrote:@danieldesu - if I may be terse and blunt, I don't have problems approaching and talking to any girl, I don't try to convince anyone of anything, as it doesn't matter to me what girls think of me anyway. Unless its a business associate or an accomplished individual (scholar, professional, nobel laureate), I don't care what they think, I'm me, not a list of accomplishments.

Sorry, maybe I misjudged you (maybe it was the whole working out saying "this is for you" to your dream girl with each rep). I just thought you should get some "practice" with women before heading to Japan for the big gig. Then at least you would have a better idea about what to expect from your dream girl and from yourself. Surely out of the 4,000,000 girls in New York there has to be a couple good ones, right?

TheTrueBlue Wrote:...I've had experience bringing girls to orgasm in bed, getting their numbers in a few minutes, and leading them on etc. I've been in relationships, but I don't want sex with someone I don't really love, physical attraction doesn't do it for me, high priced great looking escorts are a dime a dozen in most cities, I don't want to waste my first time or (as naive as it may [[mistakenly]] sound) my first kiss (on the lips) and create a worthless memory in such a way.

Really? You've either had the experience or you haven't. I don't understand how you can have "experience bringing girls to orgasm" when you claim you've never kissed anyone or had sex with them. If you're saying you've been in a sexual situation, but never penetrated a girl, then congrats, you've had sex. There's no male hymen or anything that breaks when you put it in for the first time. If you've been nakey nakey with a girl, you know, doing sexual things, then you've had sex and are just kidding yourself. Although again, I'm not really sure how something like that can happen without you ever having kissed anyone.

Here, let me give you some advice. You're naive as hell. You're going to forget your first kiss. I have. And the first time you have sex? It's not going to be amazing or particularly memorable. I remember my first time because of the other things that happened that night-- the sex itself was sort of an afterthought, and far less memorable than any of the sex I've had recently. Sex doesn't get memorable until you and your partner really get in sync, and even then, some days it's still a crapshoot. Some days I get home, tired as hell, sure that it's going to be shitty and have a great night. Other days, I'm completely awake and refreshed and but can't find my rhythm so it sucks.

Musashi Wrote:

TGWeaver Wrote:one final point: nothing in his post was racist. careful how you use that term. he spoke about culture, but i didn't get the sense that race really entered the picture... unless of course you view japanese people as a race. which i don't.

Not RACIST?! FYI! In case you missed the 'JW' written at the beginning of every point he wrote. U blind or sumting??

nope. not blind.

do the following: change every "JW" in his post to "American woman." does you still feel it's racist? my guess is that you don't. next, change it to "black woman." suddenly it feels a little different, doesn't it? what i'm trying to say is this: japan is a country, not a race. japanese people are a group of people that have common laws and culture, not a group of people sharing the same genetic imprint (though some like to think so).

i consider what the OP wrote to be sexist hyperbole. but within his rant, there are interesting points... especially the bit about children, and the cultural differences regarding sex. i think those are two interesting points worth considering further reflection.

lol kazelee

@danieldesu

You are right of course, that there may girls for me here in NYC, if nothing else than given the sheer number.

I can list a lot of traits I'm looking for in the girl I'd love to meet, but it would be both 生意気　and 恥ずかしい。 As for "experience with women," I thought that perhaps I had addressed that with this line:

TheTrueBlue Wrote:童貞 kamo, but I've had experience bringing girls to orgasm in bed, getting their numbers in a few minutes, and leading them on etc. I've been in relationships, but I don't want sex with someone I don't really love, physical attraction doesn't do it for me, high priced great looking escorts are a dime a dozen in most cities, I don't want to waste my first time or (as naive as it may [[mistakenly]] sound) my first kiss (on the lips) and create a worthless memory in such a way.

I know that I won't find a fantasy girl in Japan or anywhere that contours perfectly to inner ideals, but in the interest if finding out if my expectations are unrealistic, perhaps I will try listing them here. 許してください。

(Please bear in mind that the following won't happen immediately of course, but grow over time)

- Like in wedding vows, I'd want someone who I can be really affectionate with and cherish. I've heard of the stigma against バカップル, but in private, if a girl doesn't like a guy who's romantic and physically intimate (スキンシップ) and I've met plenty who don't like the mushy stuff, then she's not going to be suitable.

- I want her to be a virgin, like me. To not smoke, like me, to not have killed anyone, like me, to not be a party-person, like me. In other words つまり, someone who is still young in certain ways. I want someone to live life with, I don't want a woman who's so experienced and mature and established that she's kind of already found a place in life to situate herself within.

- I want her to be smart and curious about everything, as I believe myself to be. I have no problems with airheads, in fact they can be the funnest friends to have around! But in an intimate relationship it would be unbearable.

- Like Cervantes wrote in the tragicomedy Don Quixote, "He searched for a woman on whom he could bestow the Kingdom of his Heart." I feel that I can sympathize in some ways with the knight errant.

- I want her to be sweet, kind, considerate, and open-minded. But I also want her to have a firm control on her senses, not to fall apart as soon as someone yells "the sky is falling." I know a lot of otaku are very moe for the helpless 眼鏡っ子，but I like more the composed and serene 眼鏡っ子.

- I want her to be casually areligious, as I am.

- I want to be able to have intellectual discussions with her (bearing in the mind the language barrier of course, but working over that shouldn't be unbearably torturous in this regard) about culture, history, philosophy, politics, science, and literature.

- I've read that "many girls" think of marriage in terms of "flowers and rainbows", as I'm sure many guys mistakenly think of it as well. But really, >>>why<<< do Honeymoons end? My thinking thus far has led me to the conclusion that much of the time it has to do with money, needing to work for example.

- But what about those people born into money? They can simply travel with their lovers in a seemingly perpetual honeymoon of love-making and exploration, until they need to revisit some family. But with enough money, say 10+ millions (as I am working towards), it may be a far smoother ride.

- The list of demands may seem high, but I'm building myself up to be worthy of such a girl.

先輩達，please let me know if any details list if seriously flawed in some way.
お願いします

FutureBlues Wrote:

TheTrueBlue Wrote:...I've had experience bringing girls to orgasm in bed, getting their numbers in a few minutes, and leading them on etc. I've been in relationships, but I don't want sex with someone I don't really love, physical attraction doesn't do it for me, high priced great looking escorts are a dime a dozen in most cities, I don't want to waste my first time or (as naive as it may [[mistakenly]] sound) my first kiss (on the lips) and create a worthless memory in such a way.

Really? You've either had the experience or you haven't. I don't understand how you can have "experience bringing girls to orgasm" when you claim you've never kissed anyone or had sex with them. If you're saying you've been in a sexual situation, but never penetrated a girl, then congrats, you've had sex. There's no male hymen or anything that breaks when you put it in for the first time. If you've been nakey nakey with a girl, you know, doing sexual things, then you've had sex and are just kidding yourself. Although again, I'm not really sure how something like that can happen without you ever having kissed anyone.

Here, let me give you some advice. You're naive as hell. You're going to forget your first kiss. I have. And the first time you have sex? It's not going to be amazing or particularly memorable. I remember my first time because of the other things that happened that night-- the sex itself was sort of an afterthought, and far less memorable than any of the sex I've had recently. Sex doesn't get memorable until you and your partner really get in sync, and even then, some days it's still a crapshoot. Some days I get home, tired as hell, sure that it's going to be shitty and have a great night. Other days, I'm completely awake and refreshed and but can't find my rhythm so it sucks.

Thank you very much for your input FutureBlues. I simply didn't kiss them on the lips or follow up with the guy act. And no, I didn't undress, so it may be "petting." They can think whatever they want (ED, queer, w.e.), they're just practice for the real thing anyway.

I feel that most people don't have memorable first kisses or expriences because most peoples' experiences sucked. They didn't plan or anything, it just happened. Mediocrity is the norm, but not everyone has to live that way. Not everyone is born into royalty, or can live a life others can only dream of, but some do. That's my goal.

Again, please give me further feedback if possible. Thank you.

I don't really get people who are virgins and want to find virgins to marry. Your sex life will be horrible. Great to share a first time with someone, but sex keeps a relationship alive and it will definitely be stale when two people has never tried anything with others.

Tobberoth Wrote:I don't really get people who are virgins and want to find virgins to marry. Your sex life will be horrible. Great to share a first time with someone, but sex keeps a relationship alive and it will definitely be stale when two people has never tried anything with others.

I don't really care if people do this or don't do this, but I just wanted to chime in and dispel this myth. It is not stale when two people have never tried anything with others and then you get married. Also you can say that sex keeps the relationship alive, but the opposite is equally true. They are symbiotic and I think you have to have both.

A virgin couples first night would be kinda funny. Hopefully neither of them would be uncomfortable without clothes on and even still it would be all experimental, it's not like you're going to be a sex god the first time you get some, you have to work your way up. First time might even be slightly painful for both partners...

chorismos Wrote:I don’t like generalisations but

"but ..." I guess you are eager to indulge in making almost countless numbers of them, anti-dis-ir-regardless of your alleged dislike.

That post had to be one of the bitterest, most ill-informed posts that I have ever read. I don't like generalizations, either, but people who write posts like that one are gosh awful ignorant, it seems. That was so bad I wouldn't even call it pop psychology. It was just a mind seemingly run amok.

Tobberoth Wrote:I don't really get people who are virgins and want to find virgins to marry. Your sex life will be horrible. Great to share a first time with someone, but sex keeps a relationship alive and it will definitely be stale when two people has never tried anything with others.

I agree, a woman with experience will probably enjoy your intimate time together a lot more since she won't be as uncomfortable, and she will probably appreciate it more as well, especially if her first time wasn't good (and most aren't).

TheTrueBlue Wrote:lol kazelee

@danieldesu

You are right of course, that there may girls for me here in NYC, if nothing else than given the sheer number.

I can list a lot of traits I'm looking for in the girl I'd love to meet, but it would be both 生意気　and 恥ずかしい。 As for "experience with women," I thought that perhaps I had addressed that with this line:

TheTrueBlue Wrote:童貞 kamo, but I've had experience bringing girls to orgasm in bed, getting their numbers in a few minutes, and leading them on etc. I've been in relationships, but I don't want sex with someone I don't really love, physical attraction doesn't do it for me, high priced great looking escorts are a dime a dozen in most cities, I don't want to waste my first time or (as naive as it may [[mistakenly]] sound) my first kiss (on the lips) and create a worthless memory in such a way.

I know that I won't find a fantasy girl in Japan or anywhere that contours perfectly to inner ideals, but in the interest if finding out if my expectations are unrealistic, perhaps I will try listing them here. 許してください。

(Please bear in mind that the following won't happen immediately of course, but grow over time)

- Like in wedding vows, I'd want someone who I can be really affectionate with and cherish. I've heard of the stigma against バカップル, but in private, if a girl doesn't like a guy who's romantic and physically intimate (スキンシップ) and I've met plenty who don't like the mushy stuff, then she's not going to be suitable.

- I want her to be a virgin, like me. To not smoke, like me, to not have killed anyone, like me, to not be a party-person, like me. In other words つまり, someone who is still young in certain ways. I want someone to live life with, I don't want a woman who's so experienced and mature and established that she's kind of already found a place in life to situate herself within.

- I want her to be smart and curious about everything, as I believe myself to be. I have no problems with airheads, in fact they can be the funnest friends to have around! But in an intimate relationship it would be unbearable.

- Like Cervantes wrote in the tragicomedy Don Quixote, "He searched for a woman on whom he could bestow the Kingdom of his Heart." I feel that I can sympathize in some ways with the knight errant.

- I want her to be sweet, kind, considerate, and open-minded. But I also want her to have a firm control on her senses, not to fall apart as soon as someone yells "the sky is falling." I know a lot of otaku are very moe for the helpless 眼鏡っ子，but I like more the composed and serene 眼鏡っ子.

- I want her to be casually areligious, as I am.

- I want to be able to have intellectual discussions with her (bearing in the mind the language barrier of course, but working over that shouldn't be unbearably torturous in this regard) about culture, history, philosophy, politics, science, and literature.

- I've read that "many girls" think of marriage in terms of "flowers and rainbows", as I'm sure many guys mistakenly think of it as well. But really, >>>why<<< do Honeymoons end? My thinking thus far has led me to the conclusion that much of the time it has to do with money, needing to work for example.

- But what about those people born into money? They can simply travel with their lovers in a seemingly perpetual honeymoon of love-making and exploration, until they need to revisit some family. But with enough money, say 10+ millions (as I am working towards), it may be a far smoother ride.

- The list of demands may seem high, but I'm building myself up to be worthy of such a girl.

先輩達，please let me know if any details list if seriously flawed in some way.
お願いします

Love is NOT finding the perfect person,

It`s finding the imperfect person.... perfect.

|L.p.

IceCream Wrote:There's no need for such a backlash against New York girls in general, these girls aren't objects in the way Neil Strauss etc thinks about them. If you'd allow yourself to fall in love with someone, you'd find that everyone has sweet, good, kind natured points about them, no matter who they are. I don't think you have to bend over backwards for anyone, or change who you are, but, if you want to see the best points about anyone, you have to adapt yourself to some degree. Good luck.

This is a nice sidetrack.

Do we really know his true opinion on women, or have we simply read an entertaining story? I don't think he'd give away any information in a cheap book that he could charge thousands of dollars for one-on-one. A huge misconception is that what he does is all about the women. It's about being a better man, so when you finally see that one chick you think you might wanna settle down with, you don't freeze... you don't fuk it up before it even begins. You have no reason to. Sex is a byproduct but confidence and choice are the real end goals.

Not that I'd know much on the subject though

wally Wrote:"but ..." I guess you are eager to indulge in making almost countless numbers of them, anti-dis-ir-regardless of your alleged dislike.

That post had to be one of the bitterest, most ill-informed posts that I have ever read. I don't like generalizations, either, but people who write posts like that one are gosh awful ignorant, it seems. That was so bad I wouldn't even call it pop psychology. It was just a mind seemingly run amok.

LOL, yeah. Harsh words but true.

LorenPaul Wrote:Love is NOT finding the perfect person,

It`s finding the imperfect person.... perfect.
|L.p.

I REALLY like this quote. And to the OP, you remind me of... well, me. When I was a whiny pupply-love stricken schoolkid.

IceCream Wrote:To The TrueBlue:

I'm not really sure what kind of advice it is you're looking for.

I don't think there's anything wrong with only wanting to have sex with someone that you love. Its not that rare. I think, because of your belief that you will find someone in japan, you will find someone you love there. Take it easy, get a job in a small town or village in the country side somewhere, don't try to rush things, and you will probably meet someone who's your "type".

But aren't there girls of the kind I'm looking for, in Japan, also looking for guys as well? How could I actively pursue this goal? If only there was a way to filter out the party girls, gold diggers, etc. in the city.

I will take the info in this thread about going to the countryside to heart though. Thank you.

kanjiwarrior Wrote:her first time wasn't good (and most aren't).

I'm sorry kanjiwarrior, but I feel like many people (I'm speaking in general of course) have the attitude that because one's own first experience was not wonderful, that it obviously then isn't important. I mean, I'm sorry to those people who didn't have a good first time, but I plan to be one of those who do. That includes hands-on field experience (practicing foreplay with other girls) as well as taking in literature about the experience. And I'm not talking about MAXIM or FHM B.S., I'm talking about information pertaining to female biology, dissertations from the Kinsey Institute, first hand accounts of what was good or not good from older women, etc.

Fate can't be controlled, but we can bend the odds in our favor.

@Nii87

Perhaps people would be happier if they retain certain characteristics of youth. I'm glad to be young instead of old though. And with all due respect, I don't like quotes like that. Yes it's important not to have unrealistic expectations, but don't "settle" for what everyone else does. If you're hungry for more, then go for it. If one is "fine" with their "normal, ordinary" life, then good for them. But some people want more, でしょう？

IceCream Wrote:I think the point of the book was how much of a bucked up way of looking at things this was. But he didn't realise this until much later, and I don't think that most of the book puts this across at all. That whole scene was not about self improvement. Self improvement was a byproduct, for some of the people. The other people, who still couldn't find anything interesting to say for themselves, but had to use lines from other people, the way they saw themselves "mastering" girls, the way they viewed sex as the goal and girls as objects, the way they thought about themselves as people, and what it was they were doing, was fundamentally flawed.

These people, real people, were intentionally skewed into these characters to make the story more interesting.... or so I heard.

IceCream Wrote:There are points in the book that make sense, and can be used as self improvement. I just don't think the way it is presented would really lead to many people seeing things that way.

Because it's just a means of up-selling; provide you with enough to get you interested and leave out enough to make you want more. Good marketing.

BTW what seems like bucked up to you is reality for a lot of people. Interesting conversation might come natural to you. You are lucky in this aspect.

TheTrueBlue Wrote:

kanjiwarrior Wrote:her first time wasn't good (and most aren't).

I'm sorry kanjiwarrior, but I feel like many people (I'm speaking in general of course) have the attitude that because one's own first experience was not wonderful, that it obviously then isn't important. I mean, I'm sorry to those people who didn't have a good first time, but I plan to be one of those who do. That includes hands-on field experience (practicing foreplay with other girls) as well as taking in literature about the experience. And I'm not talking about MAXIM or FHM B.S., I'm talking about information pertaining to female biology, dissertations from the Kinsey Institute, first hand accounts of what was good or not good from older women, etc.

Really don`t want to burst your bubble, but a woman isn`t a book, a woman isn`t a machine made object that "press the red button and then the blue one = orgasm"

every woman is different, every PERSON is different.

you can`t really "practice" for the real thing

everytime every person in the world has sex, it`s different

different moods, different surroundings... different everything.

hell, if i`ve ate too many baked beans sex is different. If i crack out a butt bumble mid sex... that sex is ruined.

I think your horribly mislead about how sex works and what sex is.

Yes, there are japanese women out there looking for perfect men but there is no such thing as perfect!

L.p.

LorenPaul Wrote:

TheTrueBlue Wrote:

kanjiwarrior Wrote:her first time wasn't good (and most aren't).

I'm sorry kanjiwarrior, but I feel like many people (I'm speaking in general of course) have the attitude that because one's own first experience was not wonderful, that it obviously then isn't important. I mean, I'm sorry to those people who didn't have a good first time, but I plan to be one of those who do. That includes hands-on field experience (practicing foreplay with other girls) as well as taking in literature about the experience. And I'm not talking about MAXIM or FHM B.S., I'm talking about information pertaining to female biology, dissertations from the Kinsey Institute, first hand accounts of what was good or not good from older women, etc.

Really don`t want to burst your bubble, but a woman isn`t a book, a woman isn`t a machine made object that "press the red button and then the blue one = orgasm"

every woman is different, every PERSON is different.

you can`t really "practice" for the real thing

everytime every person in the world has sex, it`s different

different moods, different surroundings... different everything.

hell, if i`ve ate too many baked beans sex is different. If i crack out a butt bumble mid sex... that sex is ruined.

I think your horribly mislead about how sex works and what sex is.

Yes, there are japanese women out there looking for perfect men but there is no such thing as perfect!

L.p.

I think there may have been some miscommunication on my part. I admit there is a lot I don't know, but you can practice and pursue any goal.

Sex is not just going at it randomly like animals, sexology is a huge branch of scholarship where tens of thousands of professors and researchers have dedicated their professional lives to unraveling. I must apolgize but counter firmly, Lorenn, and say that it is yourself, with all due respect to your experiences, who may be horribly mislead about how sex works and what sex is.

Every person is different, but a lover who knows what the g-spot is and how it feels on the fingers (texture-wise) and effective ways to stimulate it as testified to by thousands of women is much better off than someone who has none of that knowledge. Someone who knows that errogenous zones on a woman can be almost anywhere, the pit of her elbows or behind her ears is better off than the countless awkward sex romps of young teenagers across the world (again speaking in general of course) where they just go at it.

So I'm sorry LorenPaul, but I must respectfully disagree with you on this point.

LorenPaul Wrote:hell, if i`ve ate too many baked beans sex is different. If i crack out a butt bumble mid sex... that sex is ruined.

I dunno, sometimes it's just plain funny, and you continue on with business

TheTrueBlue Wrote:

LorenPaul Wrote:

TheTrueBlue Wrote:I'm sorry kanjiwarrior, but I feel like many people (I'm speaking in general of course) have the attitude that because one's own first experience was not wonderful, that it obviously then isn't important. I mean, I'm sorry to those people who didn't have a good first time, but I plan to be one of those who do. That includes hands-on field experience (practicing foreplay with other girls) as well as taking in literature about the experience. And I'm not talking about MAXIM or FHM B.S., I'm talking about information pertaining to female biology, dissertations from the Kinsey Institute, first hand accounts of what was good or not good from older women, etc.

Really don`t want to burst your bubble, but a woman isn`t a book, a woman isn`t a machine made object that "press the red button and then the blue one = orgasm"

every woman is different, every PERSON is different.

you can`t really "practice" for the real thing

everytime every person in the world has sex, it`s different

different moods, different surroundings... different everything.

hell, if i`ve ate too many baked beans sex is different. If i crack out a butt bumble mid sex... that sex is ruined.

I think your horribly mislead about how sex works and what sex is.

Yes, there are japanese women out there looking for perfect men but there is no such thing as perfect!

L.p.

I think there may have been some miscommunication on my part. I admit there is a lot I don't know, but you can practice and pursue any goal.

Sex is not just going at it randomly like animals, sexology is a huge branch of scholarship where tens of thousands of professors and researchers have dedicated their professional lives to unraveling. I must apolgize but counter firmly, Lorenn, and say that it is yourself, with all due respect to your experiences, who may be horribly mislead about how sex works and what sex is.

Every person is different, but a lover who knows what the g-spot is and how it feels on the fingers (texture-wise) and effective ways to stimulate it as testified to by thousands of women is much better off than someone who has none of that knowledge. Someone who knows that errogenous zones on a woman can be almost anywhere, the pit of her elbows or behind her ears is better off than the countless awkward sex romps of young teenagers across the world (again speaking in general of course) where they just go at it.

So I'm sorry LorenPaul, but I must respectfully disagree with you on this point.

Said to me by a virgin.

irony.

Yes,　but a G spot can be anything from 2 cms to 2 inches big.

however. my girlfriend is turned off entirely by feet, some women have a foot fetish that drives them mental when they see toes.

but the " is better off than the countless awkward sex romps of young teenagers across the world (again speaking in general of course) where they just go at it."

Is where the young teenagers of the world learn what turns a woman on, what that particular partner likes/dis-likes. You can say that you can study it... but studying will never, not ever, ever be a good substitute for experience. In any field of study.

I have a feeling you won`t see the light until you have tried it yourself. So i shall agree to disagree from here on out.

all in all, I really hope you do find your perfect woman, after finishing RTK we all deserve one!

L.p.

dat5h Wrote:

LorenPaul Wrote:hell, if i`ve ate too many baked beans sex is different. If i crack out a butt bumble mid sex... that sex is ruined.

I dunno, sometimes it's just plain funny, and you continue on with business

はい! =P

*waits for the inevitable anki deck of kama sutra positions.

TheTrueBlue Wrote:I'm sorry to those people who didn't have a good first time, but I plan to be one of those who do. That includes hands-on field experience (practicing foreplay with other girls) as well as taking in literature about the experience. And I'm not talking about MAXIM or FHM B.S., I'm talking about information pertaining to female biology, dissertations from the Kinsey Institute, first hand accounts of what was good or not good from older women, etc.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound like I am attacking you or anything, but what you are saying still leads me to think you have self-esteem problems (actually, let's call it a self-esteem 'issue' because it is normal, we all have it at some point, and you can get over it!). You say that you want your first time to be perfect, but then you go on to describe how you are mastering the art of pleasuring women. So, to me, it sounds like you want it to be perfect for her.... What about you? How do you know that you will not fumble it up, or build it up so much that you forget to enjoy yourself? It doesn't sound like you've even thought about yourself in this situation. What I read out of that is that you want it to be great for her because you are seeking approval from your imaginary girlfriend/wife. You want her confirmation that there is nothing wrong with you and that you are great, because you are not sure of that yourself. It all goes back to that self-esteem issue.

LorenPaul Wrote:

TheTrueBlue Wrote:

LorenPaul Wrote:Really don`t want to burst your bubble, but a woman isn`t a book, a woman isn`t a machine made object that "press the red button and then the blue one = orgasm"

every woman is different, every PERSON is different.

you can`t really "practice" for the real thing

everytime every person in the world has sex, it`s different

different moods, different surroundings... different everything.

hell, if i`ve ate too many baked beans sex is different. If i crack out a butt bumble mid sex... that sex is ruined.

I think your horribly mislead about how sex works and what sex is.

Yes, there are japanese women out there looking for perfect men but there is no such thing as perfect!

L.p.

I think there may have been some miscommunication on my part. I admit there is a lot I don't know, but you can practice and pursue any goal.

Sex is not just going at it randomly like animals, sexology is a huge branch of scholarship where tens of thousands of professors and researchers have dedicated their professional lives to unraveling. I must apolgize but counter firmly, Lorenn, and say that it is yourself, with all due respect to your experiences, who may be horribly mislead about how sex works and what sex is.

Every person is different, but a lover who knows what the g-spot is and how it feels on the fingers (texture-wise) and effective ways to stimulate it as testified to by thousands of women is much better off than someone who has none of that knowledge. Someone who knows that errogenous zones on a woman can be almost anywhere, the pit of her elbows or behind her ears is better off than the countless awkward sex romps of young teenagers across the world (again speaking in general of course) where they just go at it.

So I'm sorry LorenPaul, but I must respectfully disagree with you on this point.

Said to me by a virgin.

irony.

Yes,　but a G spot can be anything from 2 cms to 2 inches big.

however. my girlfriend is turned off entirely by feet, some women have a foot fetish that drives them mental when they see toes.

but the " is better off than the countless awkward sex romps of young teenagers across the world (again speaking in general of course) where they just go at it."

Is where the young teenagers of the world learn what turns a woman on, what that particular partner likes/dis-likes. You can say that you can study it... but studying will never, not ever, ever be a good substitute for experience. In any field of study.

I have a feeling you won`t see the light until you have tried it yourself. So i shall agree to disagree from here on out.

all in all, I really hope you do find your perfect woman, after finishing RTK we all deserve one!

L.p.

Confucius wisely wrote: Only fools learn from their own mistakes, the wise learn from the mistakes of others.

But you are right that experience provides something study cannot, but study is not worthless simply because it doesn't give the same benefits as experience.

danieldesu Wrote:

TheTrueBlue Wrote:I'm sorry to those people who didn't have a good first time, but I plan to be one of those who do. That includes hands-on field experience (practicing foreplay with other girls) as well as taking in literature about the experience. And I'm not talking about MAXIM or FHM B.S., I'm talking about information pertaining to female biology, dissertations from the Kinsey Institute, first hand accounts of what was good or not good from older women, etc.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound like I am attacking you or anything, but what you are saying still leads me to think you have self-esteem problems (actually, let's call it a self-esteem 'issue' because it is normal, we all have it at some point, and you can get over it!). You say that you want your first time to be perfect, but then you go on to describe how you are mastering the art of pleasuring women. So, to me, it sounds like you want it to be perfect for her.... What about you? How do you know that you will not fumble it up, or build it up so much that you forget to enjoy yourself? It doesn't sound like you've even thought about yourself in this situation. What I read out of that is that you want it to be great for her because you are seeking approval from your imaginary girlfriend/wife. You want her confirmation that there is nothing wrong with you and that you are great, because you are not sure of that yourself. It all goes back to that self-esteem issue.

Thank you danieldesu, I want the first time to be great, not perfect, and I do want her to be happy, but nothing in life happens EXACTLY the way one plans, I will try to think over what you've wrote about self-esteem and wanting her confirmation. Hopefully it isn't too big of a shortcoming.

IceCream Wrote:Librarys are probably your best bet. But, I think your looking for someone very innocent, which means your going to need to find someone fairly young, and while there may be some girls at university like this, it should be easier in a smaller place to pick out a girl you're interested in, as well as this type of girl being proportionally more common. People tend to move to cities cos they like partying or the lifestyle there. Please don't take what i'm saying as gospel, though, I haven't actually been to Japan, just going from my knowledge of other places.

Yes, everything in this thread is pointing away from cities, libraries, ka? Hmm, I should read up more on the 田舎。　Thank you IceCream.

@TheTrueBlue

One other thing, what line of work are you in and how can I get into it?