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It responds to both yours and a different question.

TheTrueBlue Wrote:Because from the information I've garnered, there appears likely to be a high number of girls with the traits I'm looking for in Japan. I also admire Japanese culture and history. It's not my destiny, it's what I'm planning.

Why not Taiwan? Because it's a small island, I might as well just go to China if that. I speak fluent Mandarin and I love Chinese history, but I'm not into the trends in entertainment or events on the mainland as I am with Japan.

Why not Spain? Even though I've taken 5 years of Spanish, I would be culturally lost in Spain. I don't any know of the TV shows, or slang, or youth culture, or political climate, etc. of Spain as I do of Japan.

Why not Australia? Ditto above.

Why not stay in NYC? Well again, this is of course only my own take on it, but I'm sick of going on blind dates or friend's recommendations girls' who end up with none of what I'm looking for. And (unfortunately) what I look for isn't common in NYC.

magamo Wrote:I'm not saying IceCream is the girl. I mean, a fine woman says the countryside would be better and other female posters who are rooting for you recommended libraries. They all seem to be avid readers. It just my stupid brain tells me a girl who is kind, gentle, and caring, and who like me, is physically a virgin will be such a place.

Roger that, another vote for libraries. Thank you.

magamo Wrote:As for the "why Japan?" question, I just wanted to know the materials that taught you Japan was the place you need to go to. You didn't give any links, name books, or say who said so. Or did I miss some of your posts?

Additional reasons are what I've read about dating in Japan in singles or dating forums for English speakers on the internet. Some personal stories from my Japanese e-mail pals. The "kawaii" cultural phenomenon that corresponds so closely to what I also appreciate. And to explore my Japanese roots, especially my Grandma's experience in World War II in Tokyo.

FutureBlues Wrote:This is not an attack. It's the truth. How can your "experience" indicate anything when one of the first things you established with your presence in this thread was that you hadn't ever had any?

It's true, I am a virgin. And I appreciate the powerful divide that that line constitutes. I'm not sure in what area you're saying my lack of experience is important in, but I have gotten girls physically dragging on me, telling me to ignore the ***** cellphone and stay with them. Not trying to brag in any way, I am a virgin after all, just attempting to respond to the point you raise. I appreciate your perspective though, as someone who is on the other side of that important line.

FutureBlues Wrote:You've got scores of people POSSESSING RELEVANT EXPERIENCE both in Japan and elsewhere, including a number of girls, at least one of them Japanese, all basically telling you the same thing and you're sitting here ignoring it, telling me that I don't appreciate myself, or sex and/or that I probably am dissatisfied with my life and really, it's all very funny coming from someone who, right now, is preparing, preparing, preparing, instead of doing now and enjoying now and knowing now.

Also plenty of people encouraging and having reasonable discussions with me. I stand by my refutations to your posts on page 9. Unless you address those specific issues again, I have no reasonable alternative but to consider those matters resolved, and in my favor.

FutureBlues Wrote:You want my opinion?

Yes sir, I would appreciate it. Thank you.

FutureBlues Wrote:What you're looking for is going to be harder to find in Japan than it is in America. I've lived here in Japan for 3 years, and it took me 2 years to find the girl I'm dating now. Two years. One of those years was in a Japanese college in Nagoya, one of the larger metropolitan areas of Japan. The other two years were in the countryside. Coming to Japan looking for a virgin to marry is like going to Mars and hoping to find life. It's not impossible and it may happen one day, but really, if you can't find someone to date in a city like New York, I don't know if you're going to find anyone here either, where its far harder for you, both linguistically and culturally to even get a foothold with potential mates.

Thank you very much for the info. I really do value your perspective more now that I know you've been there "on the ground" as it were, in Japan. Were you specifically on the lookout for a girl to be with? Was the countryside dating environment much worse than the college one?

And I've written before, I've been on plenty of dates already here in NYC. This is a miscommunication. But as one guy hoping to find a girl he can love in Japan to another, I will simply write that I would strongly welcome your personal narrative and experience (and I know I'm not the only one) about finding "Love in Japan..." As is the name of this thread after all.

TheTrueBlue Wrote:Additional reasons are what I've read about dating in Japan in singles or dating forums for English speakers on the internet. Some personal stories from my Japanese e-mail pals. The "kawaii" cultural phenomenon that corresponds so closely to what I also appreciate. And to explore my Japanese roots, especially my Grandma's experience in World War II in Tokyo.

I wanted to know what foreigners think of Japan, and it's kind of interesting what kind of material makes a devoted person who has apparently studied very hard believe Japan is good for finding a girl of that kind. If you don't want to explicitly say or forget exactly where, it's ok. Maybe you've consumed tons of info about Japan and can't name a few.

I'm not saying you got the wrong idea. I'm just curious.

magamo Wrote:If I were you, I'd ask IceCream where she's from and go straight to a library in the countryside; she apparently was an innocent virgin several years ago and says such a girl will be in a rural area. Can't remember who said libraries were good, but obviously IceCream is a bookworm.

IceCream did you say that?? :O
Didn't I tell you not to go to the library again? 6 hours at the library? What have you been doing?

Just gonna pop in here a moment and point out that statistically, you are far better off going to China if you want to find this girl. Just a thought

dat5h Wrote:Just gonna pop in here a moment and point out that statistically, you are far better off going to China if you want to find this girl. Just a thought

Gosh, what is this: go there and there to have a better chance of finding a girl? Can't find one in your own area? It sounds almost like you're promoting, yeah go to China because it's easy to find a girl since they'd think ur rich (in fact not rich and usually ugly) and western, and you couldn't find one in ur own country anyways.

(nothing wrong with it though as long as it's all positive, but it's a dumb concept)

Musashi,

Stop beating down strawmen. He said statistically. That means, with more people in China, there's more women in China, ergo greater likely hood (statistically) of women that are virgins. That's all he was saying to TrueBlue and his idealized search.

You adding more to it than that is just trolling (yet again).

Nukemarine Wrote:Musashi,

Stop beating down strawmen. He said statistically. That means, with more people in China, there's more women in China, ergo greater likely hood (statistically) of women that are virgins. That's all he was saying to TrueBlue and his idealized search.

You adding more to it than that is just trolling (yet again).

I wasn't talking to you so you can stop your (so easy to say these days) troll-calling. And I wasn't adding fuel to anything burning and was just saying what I thought, and 'if' I misinterpreted it then it's still no reason to call it trolling so please stop pretending to be a 'saint'.

TheTrueBlue Wrote:If I can the find the kind of girl I'm hoping for (posted previously), and may my eternal soul be damned to burning hellfire for all time if I'm lying, I will cherish and support her with all my ability. I will do everything in my power to deny her nothing, to always see to her needs, even if what she wants is space away from me for a while, or to drag me to a family get-together I hate, or to trust her on something I'm not at all certain of.

I admit that I don't value all people equally. I care for my family an infinitude more than any stranger on the street. If I had to kill 1,000 people to save the life of my little sister, I would. If I have to disappoint a dozen party girls to ensure that I'm as prepared as possible to give my love a premium level of satisfaction and fulfillment on our first time, then I will.

Vowing to burn in hell for all eternity to prove you are sincere could possibly be a sign of passion... Except you admit that you are capable of murdering 1,000 people over someone you love. That tells me it is a very real possibility your future wife will die in a fit of jealous rage one day at the hands of her own husband.

If you want to give your future wife a premium level of satisfaction, learn Tantric Sex. One on One lessons are about $200/hr. from a qualified instructor. Every guy thinks he is a master of lovemaking but... Attend one of these classes and see your partner's orgasms go from pleasant to breaking glass with her screams.

bodhisamaya Wrote:If you want to give your future wife a premium level of satisfaction, learn Tantric Sex. One on One lessons are about $200/hr. from a qualified instructor. Every guy thinks he is a master of lovemaking but... Attend one of these classes and see your partner's orgasms go from pleasant to breaking glass with her screams.

$200/hr.! Dang! I should've studied to become a Tantric Sex teacher.

Musashi Wrote:

bodhisamaya Wrote:If you want to give your future wife a premium level of satisfaction, learn Tantric Sex. One on One lessons are about $200/hr. from a qualified instructor. Every guy thinks he is a master of lovemaking but... Attend one of these classes and see your partner's orgasms go from pleasant to breaking glass with her screams.

$200/hr.! Dang! I should've studied to become a Tantric Sex teacher.

You can be. It is a lot more difficult than it sounds though. Male Tantic Sex teachers generally never allow themselves to reach orgasm. It has to do with the loss of vital energy during ejaculation. Long hours of meditation with Hatha Yoga are required. Empathy has to be developed to a high level as women will often cry hysterically following an intense orgasm as past emotional stuff gets released as well.

bodhisamaya Wrote:

Musashi Wrote:

bodhisamaya Wrote:If you want to give your future wife a premium level of satisfaction, learn Tantric Sex. One on One lessons are about $200/hr. from a qualified instructor. Every guy thinks he is a master of lovemaking but... Attend one of these classes and see your partner's orgasms go from pleasant to breaking glass with her screams.

$200/hr.! Dang! I should've studied to become a Tantric Sex teacher.

You can be. It is a lot more difficult than it sounds though. Male Tantic Sex teachers generally never allow themselves to reach orgasm. It has to do with the loss of vital energy during ejaculation. Long hours of meditation with Hatha Yoga are required. Empathy has to be developed to a high level as women will often cry hysterically following an intense orgasm as past emotional stuff gets released as well.

I saw this documentary about it once and it's interesting (though I wouldn't say it's my piece of cake perse). But you sound like you know quite about it, you a teacher perhaps?

Musashi Wrote:

Nukemarine Wrote:Musashi,

Stop beating down strawmen. He said statistically. That means, with more people in China, there's more women in China, ergo greater likely hood (statistically) of women that are virgins. That's all he was saying to TrueBlue and his idealized search.

You adding more to it than that is just trolling (yet again).

I wasn't talking to you so you can stop your (so easy to say these days) troll-calling. And I wasn't adding fuel to anything burning and was just saying what I thought, and 'if' I misinterpreted it then it's still no reason to call it trolling so please stop pretending to be a 'saint'.

Remind me, was dat5h talking to you when you piped up about his comment?

I don't think you misinterpreted his comments based on the first part of your post. You understood exactly what dat5h was saying. It was the next part where you put "Can't find one in your own area? It sounds almost like ..." that the trolling/strawman tactic started. By stating "Can't find one in your own area" you make it like dat5h himself goes to China to find dates. With the "It sounds almost like.." means you're going to make a statement, then pretend dat5h is making the statement.

Now, if the above is not internet troll behavior in your opinion, then so be it. It is in mine. I've noticed on a number of occasions you pipe up with fairly insulting posts that add nothing to the conversation outside of insults. Personally, I find a few of your sarcastic posts kind of funny. It's your attack/insult posts that seem over the top.

Nukemarine Wrote:

Musashi Wrote:

Nukemarine Wrote:Musashi,

Stop beating down strawmen. He said statistically. That means, with more people in China, there's more women in China, ergo greater likely hood (statistically) of women that are virgins. That's all he was saying to TrueBlue and his idealized search.

You adding more to it than that is just trolling (yet again).

I wasn't talking to you so you can stop your (so easy to say these days) troll-calling. And I wasn't adding fuel to anything burning and was just saying what I thought, and 'if' I misinterpreted it then it's still no reason to call it trolling so please stop pretending to be a 'saint'.

Remind me, was dat5h talking to you when you piped up about his comment?

I don't think you misinterpreted his comments based on the first part of your post. You understood exactly what dat5h was saying. It was the next part where you put "Can't find one in your own area? It sounds almost like ..." that the trolling/strawman tactic started. By stating "Can't find one in your own area" you make it like dat5h himself goes to China to find dates. With the "It sounds almost like.." means you're going to make a statement, then pretend dat5h is making the statement.

Now, if the above is not internet troll behavior in your opinion, then so be it. It is in mine. I've noticed on a number of occasions you pipe up with fairly insulting posts that add nothing to the conversation outside of insults. Personally, I find a few of your sarcastic posts kind of funny. It's your attack/insult posts that seem over the top.

First of all it wasn't specifically targeted at dat5h but the concept as a whole, maybe I formulated it in a wrong way seeming it wasn't. And yes I didn't like dat5h wrote it (with all respect to dat5h, sorry if it didn't seem like it) because, like I wrote, I don't like the concept.

And second of all, I couldn't care less what you think. This is an open forum and people are free to post what they think, if you don't like it? Too bad, deal with it! So you can stop your 'fathering' always since ur not my dad (thank god). I'm not here to start an argument with you but you always have something to say about my post which is fine by me (like I said, everybody's free to do so) but don't be offended when I say something back which is not to your liking. If you don't like my posts (fine with me) then don't read them, saves both you and me time having this 'argument'. And at the end of the day, it's just a forum, we turn off the computer and go to bed, you don't have to take everything here so seriously, it's not like it's shaping you life (or is it?).
Have a nice day.

So much arrogance musashi
you'll never get love with that sort of personality
tsk tsk

"couldn't care less"
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liosama Wrote:So much arrogance musashi
you'll never get love with that sort of personality
tsk tsk

ouch.
Aww, sorry liosama, but I'm not on a forum looking for ♥

dat5h Wrote:Just gonna pop in here a moment and point out that statistically, you are far better off going to China if you want to find this girl. Just a thought

Or here. Or anywhere in Asia... except Japan.

thetrueblue:
you really ought to remove virginity from your list of requirements. If you make that an important criterion, you may end up misjudging the things that actually matter, personality, chemistry etc. Statistically the virgins will be in short supply. Also, do you care if the girl has been 'practicing' (as you call it) on other guys...? If so you are a hypocrite.

bodhisamaya Wrote:

TheTrueBlue Wrote:If I can the find the kind of girl I'm hoping for (posted previously), and may my eternal soul be damned to burning hellfire for all time if I'm lying, I will cherish and support her with all my ability. I will do everything in my power to deny her nothing, to always see to her needs, even if what she wants is space away from me for a while, or to drag me to a family get-together I hate, or to trust her on something I'm not at all certain of.

I admit that I don't value all people equally. I care for my family an infinitude more than any stranger on the street. If I had to kill 1,000 people to save the life of my little sister, I would. If I have to disappoint a dozen party girls to ensure that I'm as prepared as possible to give my love a premium level of satisfaction and fulfillment on our first time, then I will.

Vowing to burn in hell for all eternity to prove you are sincere could possibly be a sign of passion... Except you admit that you are capable of murdering 1,000 people over someone you love. That tells me it is a very real possibility your future wife will die in a fit of jealous rage one day at the hands of her own husband.

If you want to give your future wife a premium level of satisfaction, learn Tantric Sex. One on One lessons are about $200/hr. from a qualified instructor. Every guy thinks he is a master of lovemaking but... Attend one of these classes and see your partner's orgasms go from pleasant to breaking glass with her screams.

Yes bodhisamaya, I realize it's an highly unusual thing to say, but I'm hoping for counsel regarding my life goals here, and how I cherish my loved ones is a central value and part of who I am and how I live my life. I feel the two are connected in many ways.

And your point about violence in one area correlating with violence in others has great merit. But my exact words were that I would kill 1,000 people to save the life of my sister. Not as you wrote "over someone I love." I realize in retrospect that it was a bad call on my part to leave out the love for family and friends and write only about the convictions to protect them.

But I can't imagine doing a thing to hurt my little sister, my mother, or any of my other family or close friends. I don't yell at them or cuss them or hit them or berate them endlessly. My mother is an adult with her experiences and perspectives, and I try to guide my little sister as best I know how, but she's not my slave or a draft animal. Sure we have our bumps as with any family, but I don't try to impose myself on my family, just as I won't impose myself on my spouse.

I pray and hope that it never comes about that I should be so upset with the woman I marry as to want to harm or (Gods forbid) kill her. In honesty I can't imagine any reasonable scenario with that happening. I've been rejected by girls before, lied to and cussed at by family members, hell my mom even called the cops on me once because she found a model James Bond style Walther P99 I had gotten as a present for my cousin, who is a big fan. She thought it was a real gun. I'm no Rambo, but I've taken some hits in my short time here.

My words about the "killing" matter were poorly chosen, and I regret writing them as they were written.

On the other topic - I've read up on tantric sex, it most certainly is interesting and some of the testimonials sound quite earnest. It's definitely something I plan to explore in the future.

Thank you for your input.

nadiatims Wrote:thetrueblue:
you really ought to remove virginity from your list of requirements. If you make that an important criterion, you may end up misjudging the things that actually matter, personality, chemistry etc. Statistically the virgins will be in short supply. Also, do you care if the girl has been 'practicing' (as you call it) on other guys...? If so you are a hypocrite.

If she's had a casual boyfriend that she did other things (that didn't cross the boundary) with in the past, as I've done with other girls. Then no I don't care.

If she had told me she had yanked off or done other... unsavory things with other guys. Sure I might be jealous or upset for a split second, but I'd also be interested in letting her utilize those skills on me ASAP.

I won't remove the requirement mainly because I'm a virgin myself, and want an equal in that aspect that I can share the experience with. Even if that person is hard to find or statistically rare, as you put it.

Sorry for the multi-posts, I usually try to avoid them as much as possible. In the future, I'll try to remember to refresh and add text before hitting "Submit", rather than making new posts to re-tag the thread as "Has new posts."

@Musashi

哇! Musashi 真胆壮呀! 可能我该叫您大哥吧? 主席或者主持人都没问题! Musashi 大哥不怕! 来吧! ハハハ。　怖いな方ですよね，兄貴は？ハハハ。

I wonder if a girl counts as a virgin if a Kinsey Institute graduate who has Ph.D. in female biology "practiced" sex and made her orgasm without penetration.

magamo Wrote:I wonder if a girl counts as a virgin if a Kinsey Institute graduate who has Ph.D. in female biology "practiced" sex and made her orgasm without penetration.

I would say yes, she is a virgin. Of course many others disagree.

TheTrueBlue Wrote:

magamo Wrote:I wonder if a girl counts as a virgin if a Kinsey Institute graduate who has Ph.D. in female biology "practiced" sex and made her orgasm without penetration.

I would say yes, she is a virgin. Of course many others disagree.

Does that mean it's ok if I practice with your future spouse?