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Dragon Quest IX: 星空の守り人

#1
I just picked this game up, and am surprised to see that it has nearly full furigana. Just a heads up for anybody on the fence about picking it up or importing it. The level of dialogue is pretty standard mid-level Japanese with a few specific words that you probably haven't encountered before like 守護天使 which you can figure out pretty easily with Heisig. If that fails you can easily look stuff up because the furigana is right there. Wee...

Anyway, I feel like we should discuss this game and post pieces we don't understand or get lost on.
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#2
I love it, though I don't particulary like the menu, the game is gorgeous, too bad they never put much effort in the menu (square-enix does this the best) and also it's all hiragana. But yea, I also like that it has furigana for the rest of the text.
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#3
This is the new Dragon Quest for DS right? I want to play it, but I don't have a DS =(
What are the prices of DS's now? This game might make me get one =D
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#4
Guess I'll get it right now, let's load up the trusty ACEKARD 2, haha. Yeah that's right, I'm a broke student.
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#5
awesome. does anyone know if the ds rereleases of dq4-6 are also furigana-full?
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#6
plumage Wrote:awesome. does anyone know if the ds rereleases of dq4-6 are also furigana-full?
I've only played DQIV on the DS, and I don't believe that it had any furigana.
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#7
bombpersons Wrote:This is the new Dragon Quest for DS right? I want to play it, but I don't have a DS =(
What are the prices of DS's now? This game might make me get one =D
I don't know the price for a DS, can't be much unless you want an iDS. Anyway, it's a great buy, especially if you get some form of card so you can play downloaded games. It's a goldmine for Japanese games.
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#8
erlog Wrote:
plumage Wrote:awesome. does anyone know if the ds rereleases of dq4-6 are also furigana-full?
I've only played DQIV on the DS, and I don't believe that it had any furigana.
yeah only this one!
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#9
Finally just uploaded the game, My brother took my DS without permission for the day since I don't play it all that much he seems to do what he pleases with it...Unacceptable.
Anyways, I'm loading it up right now for the first time, I never really played much of a DragonQuest before really, just an hour or so of a gameboy color game for the most part.

What is the basic Dragon Quest story all about?
Edited: 2009-07-11, 10:13 pm
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#10
Yonosa Wrote:Finally just uploaded the game, My brother took my DS without permission for the day since I don't play it all that much he seems to do what he pleases with it...Unacceptable.
Anyways, I'm loading it up right now for the first time, I never really played much of a DragonQuest before really, just an hour or so of a gameboy color game for the most part.

What is the basic Dragon Quest story all about?
Bad brother! one should not take someone else's DS without permission Tongue

Yea it's your typical good vs bad story in medieval setting. Honestly I never quite understood the hype of DQ over the imo better FF series. I mean, graphically DQ series were not really groundbreaking, and story-wise quite boring. It more or less stayed the same, especially the last couple of chapters in terms of looks, system, story-wise also quite alike. At least Chocobo's changed every now and then, but the Slimes (ok there's not much to change there)...well...they're Slimes like the ones 10 years ago. It never quite dares to take risks and go in different directions like FF. Nevertheless, I'm playing it and it's actually fun (especially because it's quite easy to understand).
Edited: 2009-07-12, 8:26 am
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#11
Musashi Wrote:
Yonosa Wrote:Finally just uploaded the game, My brother took my DS without permission for the day since I don't play it all that much he seems to do what he pleases with it...Unacceptable.
Anyways, I'm loading it up right now for the first time, I never really played much of a DragonQuest before really, just an hour or so of a gameboy color game for the most part.

What is the basic Dragon Quest story all about?
Bad brother! one should not take someone else's DS without permission Tongue

Yea it's your typical good vs bad story in medieval setting. Honestly I never quite understood the hype of DQ over the imo better FF series. I mean, graphically DQ series were not really groundbreaking, and story-wise quite boring. It more or less stayed the same, especially the last couple of chapters in terms of looks, system, story-wise also quite alike. At least Chocobo's changed every now and then, but the Slime's (ok there's not much to change there)...well...they're Slime's like the one's 10 years ago. Nevertheless, I'm playing it and it's actually fun (especially because it's quite easy to understand).
Yeah FF is of course better.
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#12
Yonosa Wrote:Finally just uploaded the game, My brother took my DS without permission for the day since I don't play it all that much he seems to do what he pleases with it...Unacceptable.

What is the basic Dragon Quest story all about?
The way I avoid this is by having all the games on my DS in Japanese. When I went on vacation and there were 8, 9, and 10 year olds staying with us this greatly confused them. It was funny.

There really is no basic Dragon Quest story. Pretty much all the Dragon Quest games have their own stories like the FF series does. Though, unlike the FF series, there are separate arcs to the DQ games. The Zenithia trilogy of 4, 5, and 6 makes up one of those.

I like Dragon Quest more than I like Final Fantasy at this point. The difference between them is mostly in the basic design. In Dragon Quest the gameplay serves the story whereas in FF the story serves the gameplay. From about Final Fantasy 7, Square decided they sort of wanted to be making interactive fiction or interactive movies. So there was a lot of eye candy. The stories were pretty good, but unfortunately the gameplay tended to be bland or too easy. There tended to be less of an adventure feel and more of an on-rails feel.

Dragon Quest on the other hand, is more about making the adventure gameplay fun and challenging outside of the story. While Final Fantasy games tend to have more bells and whistles like sphere grids and materia, the Dragon Quest games are about perfecting the classic RPG battle genre where you proceed in rounds of attacking and healing. Because everyone knows this system already and has been playing it for years, the DQ games tend to make battles that much harder to compensate.

There's also a lot more to the overworlds in Dragon Quest. Most of the Final Fantasy overworlds are specifically designed to control the pace of the story, and the special places are few and far between. Dragon Quest does this differently. Almost every overworld zone in Dragon Quest has a few secrets here and there, and if you take the time to explore then you're usually rewarded with better items sooner or more money sooner. Beyond grinding to level up, Final Fantasy tends not to have much of this. If an FF game does have it, they kind of do it in a way that feels like you would have needed a strategy guide to ever discover it. Dragon Quest does a pretty good job of letting you know when you're near a secret area by putting buildings there or a small dungeon.

So Dragon Quest goes after more of an adventure feel where there's quite a bit to do outside of the main storyline in terms of sidequests and exploration rather than FF's more directed approach to story and gameplay.

They both have their merits. FF stories tend to be pretty complicated while DQ stories tend to be pretty simple. Though, I find both series fulfilling for different reasons. Outside of Final Fantasy Tactics, I like the gameplay more in DQ, the stories more in FF.

Inside Japan, Dragon Quest is more popular by a large margin. It's the sort of gold standard of game in the classic JRPG genre. It's not surprising that it's this way when every year there are about 10-12 different new JRPG's trying to get a slice of that pie. The reason people still keep buying DQ games is because they tend to be really well produced games. There are usually few bugs, pretty good graphics, a good soundtrack, and well-written dialogue. A DQ game is always a safe bet, and now that they're only being released like once every 3 years, a lot of Japanese are chomping at the bit to hear the opening DQ theme in a new adventure.
Edited: 2009-07-12, 9:57 am
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#13
DQ series is one of the reasons I started to learn Japanese.
Now for the DS! It's too good to be true!
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#14
erlog Wrote:
Yonosa Wrote:Finally just uploaded the game, My brother took my DS without permission for the day since I don't play it all that much he seems to do what he pleases with it...Unacceptable.

What is the basic Dragon Quest story all about?
The way I avoid this is by having all the games on my DS in Japanese. When I went on vacation and there were 8, 9, and 10 year olds staying with us this greatly confused them. It was funny.

There really is no basic Dragon Quest story. Pretty much all the Dragon Quest games have their own stories like the FF series does. Though, unlike the FF series, there are separate arcs to the DQ games. The Zenithia trilogy of 4, 5, and 6 makes up one of those.

I like Dragon Quest more than I like Final Fantasy at this point. The difference between them is mostly in the basic design. In Dragon Quest the gameplay serves the story whereas in FF the story serves the gameplay. From about Final Fantasy 7, Square decided they sort of wanted to be making interactive fiction or interactive movies. So there was a lot of eye candy. The stories were pretty good, but unfortunately the gameplay tended to be bland or too easy. There tended to be less of an adventure feel and more of an on-rails feel.

Dragon Quest on the other hand, is more about making the adventure gameplay fun and challenging outside of the story. While Final Fantasy games tend to have more bells and whistles like sphere grids and materia, the Dragon Quest games are about perfecting the classic RPG battle genre where you proceed in rounds of attacking and healing. Because everyone knows this system already and has been playing it for years, the DQ games tend to make battles that much harder to compensate.

There's also a lot more to the overworlds in Dragon Quest. Most of the Final Fantasy overworlds are specifically designed to control the pace of the story, and the special places are few and far between. Dragon Quest does this differently. Almost every overworld zone in Dragon Quest has a few secrets here and there, and if you take the time to explore then you're usually rewarded with better items sooner or more money sooner. Beyond grinding to level up, Final Fantasy tends not to have much of this. If an FF game does have it, they kind of do it in a way that feels like you would have needed a strategy guide to ever discover it. Dragon Quest does a pretty good job of letting you know when you're near a secret area by putting buildings there or a small dungeon.

So Dragon Quest goes after more of an adventure feel where there's quite a bit to do outside of the main storyline in terms of sidequests and exploration rather than FF's more directed approach to story and gameplay.

They both have their merits. FF stories tend to be pretty complicated while DQ stories tend to be pretty simple. Though, I find both series fulfilling for different reasons. Outside of Final Fantasy Tactics, I like the gameplay more in DQ, the stories more in FF.

Inside Japan, Dragon Quest is more popular by a large margin. It's the sort of gold standard of game in the classic JRPG genre. It's not surprising that it's this way when every year there are about 10-12 different new JRPG's trying to get a slice of that pie. The reason people still keep buying DQ games is because they tend to be really well produced games. There are usually few bugs, pretty good graphics, a good soundtrack, and well-written dialogue. A DQ game is always a safe bet, and now that they're only being released like once every 3 years, a lot of Japanese are chomping at the bit to hear the opening DQ theme in a new adventure.
The part about FF games not having many extras? ee? Have you played FF7 I thought there were a ton of extras there no? If that's nothing compared to DQ, than that's cool, cause it should be a lot of fun to play I'm hoping, unfortunately, my japanese skills suck suck suck still, and it makes me sad because I would like to be more involved in playing this game but for now I must continue to study and get my sucking down a bit more, so that I can really enjoy the game. Ill keep playing Pokemon pearl in simplified chinese until then since the vocab there is very basic. I highly recommend it for mandarin students.
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Yonosa Wrote:The part about FF games not having many extras? ee? Have you played FF7 I thought there were a ton of extras there no? If that's nothing compared to DQ, than that's cool, cause it should be a lot of fun to play I'm hoping, unfortunately, my japanese skills suck suck suck still, and it makes me sad because I would like to be more involved in playing this game but for now I must continue to study and get my sucking down a bit more, so that I can really enjoy the game. Ill keep playing Pokemon pearl in simplified chinese until then since the vocab there is very basic. I highly recommend it for mandarin students.
FF games have extras, but they're mostly minigames. They aren't really sidequests in the way that DQ does them. The sidequests in DQ are more like the sidequests in Chrono Trigger.
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#16
I saw the lines on TV for the DQ game... crazy. And as is typical of Japanese, it's pronounced something along the lines of Dra Que short for Dragon Quest. So on TV it would be something like "nani nani nani Dra Que 9 nani nani nani."

I already have a PSP- is this game normally for Playstation? I'd pick one up but the price for even a used Playstation is pretty high here! I assume DQ isn't on PSP...
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#17
I don't know of any DQ game nativley for the PSP, but you can play the nes / snes versions using emulators. Also you can play the playstation 1 versions if you convert them for PSP (using popstation).
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bombpersons Wrote:I don't know of any DQ game nativley for the PSP, but you can play the nes / snes versions using emulators. Also you can play the playstation 1 versions if you convert them for PSP (using popstation).
 Yeah psp was awesome, cracked to the core, snes, genesis, gba, gbc, nes, (limited) n64, ps1, psp....too bad mine was stolen, that was a media powerhouse.
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captal Wrote:I saw the lines on TV for the DQ game... crazy. And as is typical of Japanese, it's pronounced something along the lines of Dra Que short for Dragon Quest. So on TV it would be something like "nani nani nani Dra Que 9 nani nani nani."

I already have a PSP- is this game normally for Playstation? I'd pick one up but the price for even a used Playstation is pretty high here! I assume DQ isn't on PSP...
DQ is delicious.
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#20
This was destinted to turn into a DQ v. FF rant topic wasn't it....

well I like DQ much better myself, while we're all statin our opinions. Smile

And I'm so glad it has furigana! A lot of the dialogue is right around my level, and even if I don't get everything, getting around and figuring out where to go isn't too difficult (yet).
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#21
Apparently the short way to say this game in Japanese is ドラクエ
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#22
The game is for Nintendo DS.
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#23
There's a good podcast called ゲーム脳ばと that did a whole episode about this game. It might be fun for some of you to listen to it.
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#24
danieldesu Wrote:Apparently the short way to say this game in Japanese is ドラクエ
It's even in rikaichan =D
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