Blackmacros: What are you going to do when university/college starts again and you have hundreds of reviews each day, surely you will have to cut down what you actively study?

Edit: I don't wish to imply that progress is only dictated through keeping up with reviews, even if you hadn't mined them and created anki cards you would still have gone through those books and learned lots of things, but surely you will want to keep reviewing what you have added and won't this become hard to keep up with?

I honestly don't think reviews would be hard to keep up on at college, even if they get ridiculous and hit 400-500 a day.

The amount of free time you have at college is criminal. You just have to know how to recognize it/make the most of it.

edit - This is coming from the perspective of a math/physics double major, so if you're majoring in English or something don't take this as the truth. From what I can see that takes up a ton more out of class time haha.

Shingo Wrote:Blackmacros: What are you going to do when university/college starts again and you have hundreds of reviews each day, surely you will have to cut down what you actively study?

Edit: I don't wish to imply that progress is only dictated through keeping up with reviews, even if you hadn't mined them and created anki cards you would still have gone through those books and learned lots of things, but surely you will want to keep reviewing what you have added and won't this become hard to keep up with?

I've already started Uni again. I only have 15 contact hours a week. Keeping up with reviews, as sup3rbon suggests, is really not all that difficult. I have around 500 reviews each day.

Btw, I added an extra estimate to "Kanji and success graphs" that estimates future reviews based on how many new cards you've been adding over the past 2 months, by repeating the past 2 months new cards.

@blackmacros Thanks man, you ARE my hero, thanks a lot!!
And I always wondered why my days weren't efficient... meh.

undead_saif Wrote:@blackmacros Thanks man, you ARE my hero, thanks a lot!!
And I always wondered why my days weren't efficient... meh.

Glad I've had a positive impact, thanks

blackmacros Wrote:I've set it to 2 minutes because its more effective to "sprint" multiple times than to do a marathon.

Wow dude! Never thought of it! When I timebox, I usually stay focused for 2-3 mins then I get kinda get distracted, even though I timebox in 10 mins, Thanks again

mafried Wrote:

alyks Wrote:Thirdly, the SRS is almost entirely useless. But in order to see my argument, you have to understand the context with which I present it: Namely, the rise of efficiency in pre-mined sentences, subs2srs and the very thought of workflow within learning the language. I submit that these efficiency oriented approaches to learning a language will not hold the test of time.

It is difficult to keep up a system so mundane.

You say that, yet there are plenty of people here who have had no trouble keeping up such a system, and witnessed measurable results.

Weak agree here. First off, I'm mostly posting here at this moment (and in general) because I started blanking in review so it's time to break. Apologies if this has been in the thread before, etc.

"Timeboxing" is a correct thing to do no matter what method you use. The whole reason people should be using SRS is because they've seen that learning that is fun works better than learning that is a chore. I'd even input that it's incredibly important to do some diverse activities- like physically get up and stretch- between bits of work. Grinding away at the millstone grinds you down faster than the millstone. It's important to hit the books, sure, but you've got to find your own rhythem and your own method to make it happen.

For the system as a whole, frankly, I think that this is a good system to fail (if you can follow that idea). When you fail out of normal classes you just get left with the stigma that maybe you're too dumb to make it. People who burn out on SRS seem to be a lot who never stop to think "well maybe Japanese isn't for me"- they might think "maybe SRS isn't for me", but they don't generally seem to be a fraction as disenfranchised with the language as a whole as people who burn out on traditional methods.

So I see tons of potential upside and the worst downside people seem to experience is maybe having to back to the drudgery of "normal" learning. This seems to be a gambit worth taking.

I'd compare SRS to immersion / foreign exchange / etc. You still forgot 90% of what you learned the moment the program ends (so don't ever stop), but you can't say the time was wasted, and these people absolutely do pick up other material in their language at an accelerated pace due to their familiarity.

I should point out that my viewpoint has changed immensely over the last month. I no longer use an SRS. At all. Strangely I actually agree quite a bit more with what alyks said, although I personally disagree with what you've said, calderra. But maybe that isn't all that strange; after all, this isn't a two-sided debate. And one thing I've learned is that everyone needs to find their own path on this journey.

Have you posted about why you've changed your opinion on the matter yet? You said you're no longer doing the AJATT/SRS thing anymore, in another thread too, and I'm interested in what you're doing now and why you've decided to do it.

Yikes--okay I really got to write that post then. I made an attempt over the weekend while I had some time to kill on an airplane, but it ended up ballooning into a haphazard four page manifesto that was all over the place and anything but to the point.

I want to be careful as I'm concerned I might come off as yet another internet troll when I attack (in good faith) all the ideas currently promoted here. I hadn't planned on posting anything at all actually, until I had a chance to test out and report on viable alternatives. But I guess I got myself in trouble when I mentioned anything at all

I'll see if I can scrape some free time in the next few days to write something proper.

You can make a massive opening post like NukeMarine did. I look forward to it!

Bring it on, mafried! In preparation, I've written a dozen 4-page responses to all the possible arguments you might come up with.

mafried Wrote:And one thing I've learned is that everyone needs to find their own path on this journey.

I strongly second that. I may be a beginner in Japanese, but I've studied two other languages before it, and from my experience, you HAVE TO at some point follow your own path in the language learning journey, even if it diverges greatly from common systems, it may be a little modification or personal preference on systems like most people do here, or a totally different path.

For me, I didn't follow school's ways of grammar or vocabulary learning, I did sentences long time before learning about sentence mining and always preferred vocabulary in real context.

A little off-topic and maybe nothing new, but the idea "everyone needs to find their own path" must be emphasized Good luck.

nest0r Wrote:Bring it on, mafried! In preparation, I've written a dozen 4-page responses to all the possible arguments you might come up with.

Are you schizophrenic or do you just keep accidentally logging in as nest0r? I'm just waiting for you to start conversing with yourself/other account. Which is, funnily enough, something I think would be in character for nest0r but not so much for ruiner

hehe. Habit tells my fingers to do one thing (like type 'illusion' instead of 'allusion') when I'm not paying attention, which I'm often not. So I type 'nest0r' instead of 'ruiner' and I'm too lazy to undo it. Well, to be precise, the exact key combination is 'n' followed by the 'up arrow' key and 'enter'. Up versus down arrows is another habit...

sup3rbon Wrote:I honestly don't think reviews would be hard to keep up on at college, even if they get ridiculous and hit 400-500 a day.

The amount of free time you have at college is criminal. You just have to know how to recognize it/make the most of it.

edit - This is coming from the perspective of a math/physics double major, so if you're majoring in English or something don't take this as the truth. From what I can see that takes up a ton more out of class time haha.

It's quite the opposite here in Germany. I just began studying physics and it takes up most of the day, maybe the work load will decrease over time or I'll get used to it and grow more efficient in doing all the assignments or both, but right now it's hard work. ~~;

I can't imagine what a double major would look like, it'd probably consume any real life that was left.

I wonder why it's so different compared to the US. The curriculum should be similar.

It varies heavily by institution. I'm at RHIT right now, but also spent time in the UMass Boston program; the latter had mostly a few projects a semester, usually a single large paper for humanities or the like, while the former is utterly unlike the world sup3rbon describes.

SRS workflow optimization probably pays off more if you're using it for learning/retaining many things (I use it to keep my basic differentiation skills and pick up abstract algebra, for example), but yes, ultimately we should avoid finetuning SRS use becoming an end in and of itself.

~J

Same in Australia. Plenty of free time during university =)

But as an extra point, I don't think committing to a double degree will take much more time at all. This is because the units per semester is the same, its just that it'll take longer to graduate from uni.

resurrection!


I've tried this and it's been working great. I've been reviewing 30 and adding 10 sentences so that I don't get too many reviews. If I'm feeling lazy I just do reviews so that I don't have any pressing matters to deal with.

I've currently re-worked my srs/decks/edit stuff. Before I felt Like i was doing so much work, but after a while it didn't seem like it. Now that I've made only 4 decks to work worth, man I'm blazing through my reviews. I'm working on production skills now, speaking/writing. So i'm expecting to improve those skills especially more than any others now.

For production what I've found best is like let's say you work with one word/know contexts/how to use them that's the best thing you go do. If you understand/read a lot that's even better, you can use that knowledge to reply back,etc. It's not knowing 1000's of words but it's knowing how to use those words that makes it effective.

Seems like Khatzumoto really liked this thread lol

http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blo...d-recovery

Nowadays I do less srsing and more immersion. I've set a limit of 30 new vocab cards per day and 10-20 for my production/sentence deck. Those are my limits for now. I doubt I'll go beyond this. I'll eventually decrease all this additions to 10 per day once I get fully proficent

@ta12121

I have read this same thing you wrote like 10 times, well actually I skip it always as it's of no interest to me.

Actually don't you think you should use more time on studying and less on posting posts with exactly the same content?

it's really tiring you know.

jettyke Wrote:@ta12121

I have read this same thing you wrote like 10 times, well actually I skip it always as it's of no interest to me.

Actually don't you think you should use more time on studying and less on posting posts with exactly the same content?

it's really tiring you know.

your right about that one. I'll try to write more interesting stuff next time. As for time studying, it's always there. I don't stop with that but yea I agree I should stop posting too much.