I just finished reading the first volume of やつばと！
For the first time in 6 months of studying I finally felt a little pay off. On my first read though I understood enough to enjoy it and not get lost (80-90%)... well until they got to 地球温暖化! I'm all fired up and ready to do my 300ish pending vocab cards!

Recently I've noticed my listening comprehension has improved greatly. ie watching tv shows and understanding large amounts of stuff, and reading manga (providing it's shounen level) i can read through with 90% comp rate. Speaking still sucks, but at least I understand enough of spoken things now that I can nod when appropriate lol.

mezbup Wrote:I just finished reading いま、会いにゆきます、!!!

This is one of my greatest achievements to date. Not because it's amazing or anything but because of how amazed I feel to have been able to read such a beautiful story in it's original language. It's the fastest ive read a novel (bout a week and a half), but then again it was an easy read. Highly recommended as a first novel to read in Japanese if ur thinking about taking that leap In ur journey.


I'm just so grateful for the ways in which this language has enriched my life. Another huge milestone I'm happy to celebrate this month Is sticking It out through thick and thin to learn this language every day for 3 whole years!

What an amazing, positive impact it's had on my life. To all those who are in the early stages and struggling - don't ever stop.

Always a pleasure to read your posts, it gives me more motivation because your about 6months ahead of me in terms of time learnt(jp). I'm pretty sure in a few years from now, you'll be saying it was all worth it(or maybe your already saying it). But anyhow, keep up the good work

Just finished reading すごい勉強法！ In under a week!!! Actually I read 85 pages of it today. Out of those 85 pages I learned 55 new words. So less than 1 new word per page. It's such a big difference compared to a year ago. I'm focusing so much on reading books now it's awesome. In a years time I should have no problem with most books and in 2 years time I ought to be able to read anything. Woot. Feeling good.

I just started rtk1 a week ago and have 600 kanji down with 98% review accuracy.
Hoping to finish rtk1 in 23-28 days as long as i dont need a job soon. Would like to know some peoples opinion on what sort of accuracy they think is reasonable when finished with rtk1 and if my obsession with accuracy might be slowing me down.

Once a card has reached stack 3 or 4 (I'm talking with RevTK here), you should have something like 90% accuracy.
Yes, it will slow you down. You will get very low, especially if you're in a hurry (even 50% sometimes), but as the reviews spread, it'll get back to 90%.
Think of the accuracy as an indicator, but not especially relevant. Because the only way to raise accuracy is to expand your stories, which in counter-balance makes you lose time. A lot of people go with average stories and rework as they go. Optimum so far.

smiley290max Wrote:Would like to know some peoples opinion on what sort of accuracy they think is reasonable when finished with rtk1 and if my obsession with accuracy might be slowing me down.

My reviews tend somewhere in the 80-90% range pretty much daily and I feel like that's pretty normal. Just keep moving forward and not sweating the missed ones - you'll get them next time (or the one after that..)!

As for me, I just passed 15,000 reviews in my RTK deck, which I'm going to claim as a milestone since my RTK3 progress is sort of start and stop lately.

Just bought 3 games off of the JP PSN store (FF8,Metal Gear Solid,Parasite Eve) and Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2(bought it locally, because it has dual audio/text yea!). I'm finally feeling some real taste of fluency, since playing these games require fluency in reading,listening and immense knowledge of kanji/Japanese.

I was playing FF8 for a few days now (second disc already) but after playing it for a while, I finally thought to myself(wait, aside from a few kanji I don't know(techniques,rare vocab/kanji/un-familair katakana words). I finally have that fluency I've always wanted. But it also tells me there is still another level I want to reach(native-level).

So from now on, my speaking and writing are taking priority, since I already have fluency in terms of reading and listening. Anyhow, expect within the next few years I'll be at my goal.

Thanks to anki,immersion and having fun(with a passion). I will be reaching my goals in no time!

I had up to 750 expired cards 8 days ago and regularly more than 300 during the last two months. Today, I say goodbye to my orange cards \o/
I just hope to have the courage to continue my reviens daily when I go back to work.

Just hit frame 1550 With reviews around 90+% in anki. I made 4 decks for rtk 1 blocked into 500's. Ive also hit 10,000 reviews total "about 700 reviews a day" between all my decks in Just over two weeks. I spend most the day re going over story's to make sure i can fit about 150-200 reviews in an hour. I find the better i know the kanji the less time i waste on a sigle card. If its a card that i completly forgot the story with i re-read it then tag it for further drilling and for the cram option on anki. Even so is 700 reviews a day a lot or is the quest for near perfection good or mabye even counter productive in the long term and short term.

One more thing if anyone knows where stoked's stories are for last 500 of 1 kanji 1 picture that would be great, dont really care for the pics though but ill take what i can get.

I'm better at japanese than the peope they make fun of here!
http://sportsdqn.blog28.fc2.com/blog-entry-805.html

like i know how to read 廉価　破綻

HERE'S some of the stuff I posted ontumblr from that 2ch matome!
http://tsukinofune.tumblr.com/post/9723464292
i took the good parts

FINDING and reading about this realization about japanese that i've had for a while and i've always felt it and i finally looked it up and found lots of stuff and i'm glad to know i'm not insane it's just .... it is what it is and it's very saddening.

日本語への不満。現代の日本語への不満と言い換えた方がいいかな。
i just collected and pasted the good parts at my tumblr

http://tsukinofune.tumblr.com/

one of the things i'm annoyed at as faras japanese goes is the ridiculous amount of english whcih is well conveyed by this person:
わたしは、永年米国に永住しています。
ときどき日本に帰ることがありますが、
普段は、もっぱらテレビで日本の文化に
触れています。
こういう生活をしていますと、むかしの日本の
イメージが強いのでことさら現代のに日本人が使って
いる”と思われる”日本語に触れるとがく然と
する時があります。
最初は、テレビだから奇をてらってこういう
言葉を使っているんだな、と思っていましたが、
わたしがもっとも信頼していたＮＨＫのアナウンサーまで、
不必要な横文字まじりの日本語を使うのを
みて、残念に思えてなりません。
また、落語家たちが、現代の人の
”へんてこ”な日本語を揶揄したジョークを
飛ばしているのを聞く、つまりお笑いのネタに
なっているのを聞くと、やはり現代の
日本人が使っている日本語をおかしい、と
思う人たちも多いのだな、とすこし安心しています。
ＮＨＫの番組などで、それらに現代風で
おかしな日本語をトピックとしてあげて、
番組で検証したりしているのをみても、
やはり日本人全部がおかしくなったので
ないな、とは思います。
しかし、それにしても政治家や、著名な人たちまでが
知性のあるところをひけらかそうとしているのか、
日本語で十分通じるところを、不必要に横文字を使ったり
日本語をさげすむような使い方、ぞんざいな
使い方をしているのを聞くとやはりなさけないですね。
言葉は文化です。
もし、くずれた日本語が蔓延するということは
日本人のこころそのものが堕落したという
証拠でしょう。
我々だけでも美しい日本語をまもっていきましょう。
from here: http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/...1446811904

Yesterday I used skype for the first time and talked with a japanese guy, fully in japanese, for 50 minutes!

I reached 5000/5881 words in core6k, which makes me even more motivated to keep at it. On top of that I reached 1300 wods I added with Rikaisama in the past year, so all in all I know 6300 words! \o/

Quote:Yesterday I used skype for the first time and talked with a japanese guy, fully in japanese, for 50 minutes! big_smile

羨ましいなぁー

ta12121 Wrote:Metal Gear Solid

YEEEEESSS!

http://i.imgur.com/jy2Hd.jpg

mitsusproogi Wrote:

ta12121 Wrote:Metal Gear Solid

YEEEEESSS!

http://i.imgur.com/jy2Hd.jpg

haha Cool

howtwosavealif3 Wrote:one of the things i'm annoyed at as faras japanese goes is the ridiculous amount of english whcih is well conveyed by this person:
わたしは、永年米国に永住しています。
ときどき日本に帰ることがありますが、
普段は、もっぱらテレビで日本の文化に
触れています。
こういう生活をしていますと、むかしの日本の
イメージが強いのでことさら現代のに日本人が使って
いる”と思われる”日本語に触れるとがく然と
する時があります。
最初は、テレビだから奇をてらってこういう
言葉を使っているんだな、と思っていましたが、
わたしがもっとも信頼していたＮＨＫのアナウンサーまで、
不必要な横文字まじりの日本語を使うのを
みて、残念に思えてなりません。
また、落語家たちが、現代の人の
”へんてこ”な日本語を揶揄したジョークを
飛ばしているのを聞く、つまりお笑いのネタに
なっているのを聞くと、やはり現代の
日本人が使っている日本語をおかしい、と
思う人たちも多いのだな、とすこし安心しています。
ＮＨＫの番組などで、それらに現代風で
おかしな日本語をトピックとしてあげて、
番組で検証したりしているのをみても、
やはり日本人全部がおかしくなったので
ないな、とは思います。
しかし、それにしても政治家や、著名な人たちまでが
知性のあるところをひけらかそうとしているのか、
日本語で十分通じるところを、不必要に横文字を使ったり
日本語をさげすむような使い方、ぞんざいな
使い方をしているのを聞くとやはりなさけないですね。
言葉は文化です。
もし、くずれた日本語が蔓延するということは
日本人のこころそのものが堕落したという
証拠でしょう。
我々だけでも美しい日本語をまもっていきましょう。
from here: http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/...1446811904

Does anyone else find it ironic that the writer complains about the influx of foreign loanwords, and then proceeds to use foreign loanwords throughout his post? It makes me wonder if the post is supposed to be making fun of the viewpoint that the writer is putting forth.

Yesterday I hit kanji 400. This is special because when I first started half a year ago, kanji 400 was the one I gave up after. It took me about a week to get back to 400. I imagine I'll be a bit slower from now on since I now have to think of stories again, but I'm still pretty happy to be where I was, and now it's time for some progress!

vileru Wrote:

howtwosavealif3 Wrote:one of the things i'm annoyed at as faras japanese goes is the ridiculous amount of english whcih is well conveyed by this person:
わたしは、永年米国に永住しています。
ときどき日本に帰ることがありますが、
普段は、もっぱらテレビで日本の文化に
触れています。
こういう生活をしていますと、むかしの日本の
イメージが強いのでことさら現代のに日本人が使って
いる”と思われる”日本語に触れるとがく然と
する時があります。
最初は、テレビだから奇をてらってこういう
言葉を使っているんだな、と思っていましたが、
わたしがもっとも信頼していたＮＨＫのアナウンサーまで、
不必要な横文字まじりの日本語を使うのを
みて、残念に思えてなりません。
また、落語家たちが、現代の人の
”へんてこ”な日本語を揶揄したジョークを
飛ばしているのを聞く、つまりお笑いのネタに
なっているのを聞くと、やはり現代の
日本人が使っている日本語をおかしい、と
思う人たちも多いのだな、とすこし安心しています。
ＮＨＫの番組などで、それらに現代風で
おかしな日本語をトピックとしてあげて、
番組で検証したりしているのをみても、
やはり日本人全部がおかしくなったので
ないな、とは思います。
しかし、それにしても政治家や、著名な人たちまでが
知性のあるところをひけらかそうとしているのか、
日本語で十分通じるところを、不必要に横文字を使ったり
日本語をさげすむような使い方、ぞんざいな
使い方をしているのを聞くとやはりなさけないですね。
言葉は文化です。
もし、くずれた日本語が蔓延するということは
日本人のこころそのものが堕落したという
証拠でしょう。
我々だけでも美しい日本語をまもっていきましょう。
from here: http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/...1446811904

Does anyone else find it ironic that the writer complains about the influx of foreign loanwords, and then proceeds to use foreign loanwords throughout his post? It makes me wonder if the post is supposed to be making fun of the viewpoint that the writer is putting forth.

noo.. here's the thing they use english like crazy what he wrote is bearable level (it's really acceptable)... I've heard way worse than this (the english he used is really nothing... not even that big a deal EXCEPt for maybe topikku). sometimes they use certain words and it makes me go wtf and say why don't you just say it in japanese and sometimes they use way too much english for no reason. I'm saying this from my experience of watching LOTS AND LOTS of japanese talk/variety shows.

oh and maybe as much as he is saddened about the overuse of english he can't help but be affected by the people who overuse it.

this article explains more thouroughly abt the too much english
http://www.judo-voj.com/Japanese/eigoheta.html

Roughly 20 days ago I thought it might be a fun idea to try and learn how to read Chinese (Mandarin) as fast as I can just by memorizing vocabulary (Anki), reading lots of comics/mangas, playing video games and stuying as little grammar as possible. I've just passed my first milestone (1000 Hanzi characters) and so far it's been pretty fun and not as hard as I had imagined. In fact, anyone who has achieved an advanced level of Japanese will probably find it incredibly easy to pick up some basic Chinese.
(Disclaimer: So far, the author has not read anything that is more demanding than, let's say, Pokemon. Chances are he will cry for his mommy should he ever try to read a newspaper from China/Taiwan)

Now, spoken Chinese..? That's a whole different story

Evil_Dragon Wrote:Roughly 20 days ago I thought it might be a fun idea to try and learn how to read Chinese (Mandarin) as fast as I can just by memorizing vocabulary (Anki), reading lots of comics/mangas, playing video games and stuying as little grammar as possible. I've just passed my first milestone (1000 Hanzi characters) and so far it's been pretty fun and not as hard as I had imagined. In fact, anyone who has achieved an advanced level of Japanese will probably find it incredibly easy to pick up some basic Chinese.
(Disclaimer: So far, the author has not read anything that is more demanding than, let's say, Pokemon. Chances are he will cry for his mommy should he ever try to read a newspaper from China/Taiwan)

Now, spoken Chinese..? That's a whole different story

if you love the language, then learning to speak,read,write and listen will become irelevant

I think that is a good way to learn Chinese as the grammar is so extremely basic and lexical. It's not terribly efficient with Japanese due to conjugation rules imo though.

Unfortunately I have zero interest in Chinese pop culture so it won't work for me. My reasons for study are: Chinese influence on classical Japan, hanzi, career

I just recently picked up Chinese again lately and am studying casually during downtime at work. Blew through the first 60 or so Zhongwen red lessons this week, though it's mostly review from three years ago so far.

Jarvik7 Wrote:I think that is a good way to learn Chinese as the grammar is so extremely basic and lexical. It's not terribly efficient with Japanese due to conjugation rules imo though.

Unfortunately I have zero interest in Chinese pop culture so it won't work for me. My reasons for study are: Chinese influence on classical Japan, hanzi, career

I just recently picked up Chinese again lately and am studying casually during downtime at work. Blew through the first 60 or so Zhongwen red lessons this week, though it's mostly review from three years ago so far.

Can't wait to start then, but I'm going to research a bit before I dive into written Chinese/listening. It should be fun since there is plenty of mandarin speakers near where I live.

Reached 5100 vocabulary cards in my vocab deck. I'm coming back to my original stats, although I'm only 1/4 of the way there. I expect by the end of the year to be close to 10,000 cards

I'm also playing around with my production deck (active writing). I'm finding that I'm getting lazy on those, so that tells me that I should add less for that deck and space it up with close deletion,speaking production cards,mini-sentence cards(small),etc

I finished my Sou Matome Vocab N2 book! If we don't include the test part.
I'm also hitting the end of my Kanzen Master JLPT2 book, with only 10 more grammar points! (yes, not even N2. that's how long ago I bought it, lol.) Also not including the tests.
Also got my N2 registration confirmation by email!

I've started the Sou Matome N1 Vocab book and the Kanzen Master N1 Listening book. I picked up the N1 listening book because they didn't have the N2 at the bookstore, and doing N1 to prepare for N2 wouldn't hurt, right? =)