Ah, you're right, the rooting is only required for the custom fonts. I was skimming the AnkiDroid page and misread.
2010-05-22, 6:03 am
Some people can be so unappreciative...
So is the app just awaiting Apple approval? I've been checking the app store pretty constantly for it these last few days. I feel like a kid tight before Christmas
So is the app just awaiting Apple approval? I've been checking the app store pretty constantly for it these last few days. I feel like a kid tight before Christmas
2010-05-22, 6:07 am
Yep, it's still "waiting for review", so it looks like Apple haven't gotten around to checking it yet. You can follow me on twitter if you want status updates: http://twitter.com/ankisrs
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2010-05-22, 12:52 pm
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2010-05-22, 1:38 pm
Wow.. just wow.. first post here but this thread just inspired me.
The selfishness of end users is amazing... *shakes head*
The selfishness of end users is amazing... *shakes head*
2010-05-22, 2:33 pm
Haha, too long/didn't read, but I skimmed through for the best parts, esp. the assertive statements. A one man quote war about how resolve is selfish for trying to sell an iPhone app or something? Entertaining as a forum artefact, at least.
Much better than your 'need a blueprint to start a 30 year relationship with a Korean girl' thread.
Your anecdote/self-description as a hard-working, software-developing, open-source defender doesn't hold a candle to what resolve's done over the years, so please don't embarrass yourself with that kind of patter, abdwef.
Much better than your 'need a blueprint to start a 30 year relationship with a Korean girl' thread.
Your anecdote/self-description as a hard-working, software-developing, open-source defender doesn't hold a candle to what resolve's done over the years, so please don't embarrass yourself with that kind of patter, abdwef.
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2010-05-22, 2:50 pm
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2010-05-22, 3:32 pm
JimmySeal Wrote:While I am very appreciative of all the work Mr. Elmes has done on his great product, I agree that he is gravely misunderstanding the terms of GPL and is violating it. GPL is well understood to state that any derivative work of GPL software is also bound to the GPL and its source code must be publically available if the software is to be released to the public. This is true even if the person making the derivative work also wrote all of the code that is going into it, as long as that code is licensed under the GPL.Eh? Didn't resolve already explain how they were handling this earlier in the thread?
I'm not a huge fan of GPL, and I share Steve Ballmer's sentiment that it is, in a way, "a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches." Nonetheless, it's for this very reason that if you are going to tout your software under the flag of the GPL, you have to be willing to take its drawbacks with its benefits.
I certainly don't think Mr. Elmes is selfish for trying to make money off of his product, and he really deserves to make money off it. I just think this should remind all of us that we should think long and hard before signing our software's souls away to the clutches of the GNU General Public License.
2010-05-22, 4:53 pm
@abdwef
Please do not report posts simply because you do not like what people have to say. Their criticism of your post is equally as valuable as your criticism of resolve's.
I think you can read between the lines and understand what I'm trying to say here. But just in case you can't.
He can't make anki non-free but he can modify the code and port it to the iPhone for profit. Leave it at that.
Please do not report posts simply because you do not like what people have to say. Their criticism of your post is equally as valuable as your criticism of resolve's.
I think you can read between the lines and understand what I'm trying to say here. But just in case you can't.
resolve Wrote:I'm not trying to get rich; as long as I'm making enough money to survive then I'd rather be working on something I believe in.
abdwef Wrote:Nobody forced you to quit your regular job (!!!) to work on Anki; that was a judgment call you made (a bad one in my opinion).
resolve Wrote:I license that code to you under the GPL. If I choose to license that code under a different license, that's my perogative. It doesn't affect any previously released code - that is a freedom that the GPL bestows upon you - but it also doesn't restrict the developer from licensing their code differently in the future.
abdwef Wrote:Actually, I do perform some work for free; for other programming work I charge a fee. The point is that I'm extremely clear up-front about what the legalities are, unlike Damien.What you have to say doesn't seem any more important.
He can't make anki non-free but he can modify the code and port it to the iPhone for profit. Leave it at that.
2010-05-22, 5:12 pm
nest0r Wrote:Your anecdote/self-description as a hard-working, software-developing, open-source defender doesn't hold a candle to what resolve's done over the years, so please don't embarrass yourself with that kind of patter, abdwef.Yeah, I kind of agree. There is nothing wrong with him making money off of this. It's amazing that he gives us the desktop app for free. It is an incredible application and I would pay a good deal for it.
Lay off your diatribe and go study some Japanese ^_^
2010-05-22, 5:14 pm
I'll definitely buy.
By the way abdfef-whatever mate, mentioning your allegedly awesome time-management skills makes you sound like an ass, just in case you didn't know.
Also it's extremely rude to assume you know how to handle Damien's life far better than he does. Your constant disapproval at Damien's decision to quit his day job, despite your lack of information regarding his life, is quite disrespectful and arrogant. Cue the "makes you sound like an ass" card.
By the way abdfef-whatever mate, mentioning your allegedly awesome time-management skills makes you sound like an ass, just in case you didn't know.
Also it's extremely rude to assume you know how to handle Damien's life far better than he does. Your constant disapproval at Damien's decision to quit his day job, despite your lack of information regarding his life, is quite disrespectful and arrogant. Cue the "makes you sound like an ass" card.
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2010-05-22, 5:20 pm
Enough with the drama already! I look forward to the app coming out and understand the high pricetag (it is a niche product).
Honestly I too would have preferred an open GPL free version, but the current situation is understandable and i wish resolve the best of luck. also remember there's nothing stopping a developer from creating a GPL version of the app based on the current desktop sourcecode. you would of course be allowed to sell it through the app store (but then so would everybody else who bought a copy).
Honestly I too would have preferred an open GPL free version, but the current situation is understandable and i wish resolve the best of luck. also remember there's nothing stopping a developer from creating a GPL version of the app based on the current desktop sourcecode. you would of course be allowed to sell it through the app store (but then so would everybody else who bought a copy).
2010-05-22, 5:25 pm
@abdwef
Looks like you need some perspective.
Seriously, man, take a step back. Chill out. There are better fights out there. Maybe take your superhuman willpower and dedication and apply it to a cause that actually matters?
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Come on, kaze, if you're gonna edit it, do it with style! Plain old hyperlink is an eyesore.
Looks like you need some perspective.
Seriously, man, take a step back. Chill out. There are better fights out there. Maybe take your superhuman willpower and dedication and apply it to a cause that actually matters?
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Come on, kaze, if you're gonna edit it, do it with style! Plain old hyperlink is an eyesore.
Edited: 2010-05-22, 6:27 pm
2010-05-22, 6:19 pm
nest0r Wrote:Your anecdote/self-description as a hard-working, software-developing, open-source defender doesn't hold a candle to what resolve's done over the years, so please don't embarrass yourself with that kind of patter, abdwef^^ this.
JimmySeal Wrote:GPL is well understood to state that any derivative work of GPL software is also bound to the GPL and its source code must be publically available if the software is to be released to the public. This is true even if the person making the derivative work also wrote all of the code that is going into it, as long as that code is licensed under the GPL.The iPhone app is not clearly a derivative work (unless it links to some libraries, but since those are all in python, it can't). This has always been settled on a case-by-case basis in licensing law, and none of us are qualified to make the call. Why don't we let Damien decide how to apply licenses to his own work. I'm sure the FSF will guide him if he asks.
Edited: 2010-05-22, 6:19 pm
2010-05-22, 6:23 pm
This is ridiculous.
@kazelee
Moreover, it would be extremely helpful if you were to use blue text when speaking in an administrative capacity, since I can't tell which you're speaking in when you say
In the Rules section of these forums, it states:
@everyone
For those wondering, I did not report any of Damien's posts, despite what kazelee seems to be implying. The two posts I reported were http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...#pid101528 and http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...#pid101541, by Mcjon01 and nest0r, respectively. I reported them as irrelevant troll posts, and I think that anyone who reads them will agree.
Just a reminder to everyone that it is perfectly acceptable to report posts if they contain personal attacks or are troll posts. That is, after all, what the feature is there for.
If you don't understand the legal issues being discussed (or, as nest0r put it, "Haha, too long/didn't read, but I skimmed through for the best parts"), please don't post with snide comments that don't contribute to the discussion.
As for the suggestions that I "chill", or pick my battles, I think JimmySeal has pointed out that there is a grave misunderstanding of the GPL in this thread. Since not just Anki, but this entire site and forum is licensed under some form of the GPL, I think it is extremely relevant to this site, not just this thread.
For example, ファブリス's comment
In any case, it seems to me that people are telling me to leave this debate just because they disagree with me, not because they think it's inappropriate in any way.
If someone would like to disagree with me, please do so without making personal attacks, and only if you have some knowledge of the legal issues in play. Thanks.
Quote:While I am very appreciative of all the work Mr. Elmes has done on his great product, I agree that he is gravely misunderstanding the terms of GPL and is violating it. GPL is well understood to state that any derivative work of GPL software is also bound to the GPL and its source code must be publically available if the software is to be released to the public. This is true even if the person making the derivative work also wrote all of the code that is going into it, as long as that code is licensed under the GPL.Thank you, JimmySeal. I appreciate your response, and the fact that you did not engage in personal attacks. While I disagree that the GPL is a "cancer", we can at least agree on the importance of understanding how it works.
I'm not a huge fan of GPL, and I share Steve Ballmer's sentiment that it is, in a way, "a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches." Nonetheless, it's for this very reason that if you are going to tout your software under the flag of the GPL, you have to be willing to take its drawbacks with its benefits.
I certainly don't think Mr. Elmes is selfish for trying to make money off of his product, and he really deserves to make money off it. I just think this should remind all of us that we should think long and hard before signing our software's souls away to the clutches of the GNU General Public License.
@kazelee
Quote:Please do not report posts simply because you do not like what people have to say. Their criticism of your post is equally as valuable as your criticism of resolve's.As moderator, you should know that it is customary to PM a member if you wish to discuss something with them in an administrative capacity, not post it in public in an attempt to embarrass them. Please extend me that courtesy in the future. Thanks.
Moreover, it would be extremely helpful if you were to use blue text when speaking in an administrative capacity, since I can't tell which you're speaking in when you say
Quote:What you have to say doesn't seem any more important.I'm going to assume that you're not speaking as a moderator. Regardless, I will not "leave it at that", because I think you are incorrect. I think he is violating the GPL, which is copyright infringement.
He can't make anki non-free but he can modify the code and port it to the iPhone for profit. Leave it at that.
In the Rules section of these forums, it states:
Quote:These forums do not condone [copyright infringement]@aphasiac
Quote:Honestly I too would have preferred an open GPL free version, but the current situation is understandable and i wish resolve the best of luck.The entire point I am making is that the current situation is not understandable from my, or from JimmySeal's, point of view. He still hasn't explained why his close-source app doesn't violate the GPL.
@everyone
For those wondering, I did not report any of Damien's posts, despite what kazelee seems to be implying. The two posts I reported were http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...#pid101528 and http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...#pid101541, by Mcjon01 and nest0r, respectively. I reported them as irrelevant troll posts, and I think that anyone who reads them will agree.
Just a reminder to everyone that it is perfectly acceptable to report posts if they contain personal attacks or are troll posts. That is, after all, what the feature is there for.
If you don't understand the legal issues being discussed (or, as nest0r put it, "Haha, too long/didn't read, but I skimmed through for the best parts"), please don't post with snide comments that don't contribute to the discussion.
As for the suggestions that I "chill", or pick my battles, I think JimmySeal has pointed out that there is a grave misunderstanding of the GPL in this thread. Since not just Anki, but this entire site and forum is licensed under some form of the GPL, I think it is extremely relevant to this site, not just this thread.
For example, ファブリス's comment
Quote:Besides the author of the work can change an open source license into a proprietary license AFAIK. Only, anybody who's received a copy of the work prior to the license change is not affected.is troubling, because it tells me that he, too, misunderstands the GPL.
In any case, it seems to me that people are telling me to leave this debate just because they disagree with me, not because they think it's inappropriate in any way.
If someone would like to disagree with me, please do so without making personal attacks, and only if you have some knowledge of the legal issues in play. Thanks.
2010-05-22, 6:43 pm
tldr again, but I'm assuming by the initial 'This is ridiculous' it's just another pompous one man quote-war dead set on scoring 'scathing' rhetorical points while remaining dense and clueless about the topic and comments involved.
2010-05-22, 6:44 pm
As far as the rules go, the copyright infringement part is about not openly enabling people to pirate materials, such as linking to a torrent containing Kanji in Context.
This is, I believe, in an effort to keep the forums from being sued or shut down or whatnot.
This is, I believe, in an effort to keep the forums from being sued or shut down or whatnot.
Edited: 2010-05-22, 6:44 pm
2010-05-22, 6:46 pm
@abdwef: I still think it incredible that you believe you know better than Damien in making decisions regarding his choice of employment. That arrogance is what offends me. Besides that, I'd appreciate it all of us could understand more of this alleged GPL violation.
2010-05-22, 6:53 pm
Ok,
I'll bite. My basic understanding of GPL is I can use it as I like, and even add my own code to the material, package and sell it. HOWEVER, I must release the source ONLY of the GPL material I used. My own proprietary code is still my intellectual property and I don't have to release that. So even derivative works do not have to be released like you're suggesting.
It's like me releasing the first three chapters of my book, and a writer's bible to that world into the public domain with the caveat credit is posted of the source and where to find it. That doesn't mean further chapters of the book or other stories I write about that world are public domain.
However, I think this conversation is more appropriate in it's own thread. With the abnormal number of programmers in this forum, I think there'll be a lively discussion with useful ideas bandied about in such a thread. Continuing it here will just be a petty quote war ending with Kazelee locking the thread for two weeks while one guy posts in another thread how his freedom of speech is being abused and to please ban him lest he's forced to post more requests to be banned (tis a common tale full of weep and woe).
I'll bite. My basic understanding of GPL is I can use it as I like, and even add my own code to the material, package and sell it. HOWEVER, I must release the source ONLY of the GPL material I used. My own proprietary code is still my intellectual property and I don't have to release that. So even derivative works do not have to be released like you're suggesting.
It's like me releasing the first three chapters of my book, and a writer's bible to that world into the public domain with the caveat credit is posted of the source and where to find it. That doesn't mean further chapters of the book or other stories I write about that world are public domain.
However, I think this conversation is more appropriate in it's own thread. With the abnormal number of programmers in this forum, I think there'll be a lively discussion with useful ideas bandied about in such a thread. Continuing it here will just be a petty quote war ending with Kazelee locking the thread for two weeks while one guy posts in another thread how his freedom of speech is being abused and to please ban him lest he's forced to post more requests to be banned (tis a common tale full of weep and woe).
2010-05-22, 7:29 pm
abdwef Wrote:This is ridiculous.Yes, you're right
Continued here:
http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...#pid101675
2010-05-23, 1:23 am
So, back on a positive note, I have images and audio working now. A bit more polish and I'll send it off to the beta testers to check. After a week or so of testing, it should be ready to send to Apple as an update.
2010-05-23, 1:37 am
Raises hand- I'll be supporting you as well resolve. I can't even count how many days of my life I've given to Anki (well I suppose I could, if I added up all the days spent in my decks!) Thanks for giving us an easy way to give back to you- it's too easy to take something for granted that is free.
I wish you the best of luck in finding corporate and government deals as well. You've really created a great piece of software.
edit: Quick question too- will I be able to sink my deck by plugging my iPod touch into my laptop if I don't have wireless? Also, am I required to upload my decks to the Anki server or can I leave them on my computer and just sync them that way? I'm using the KO deck and I've been reluctant to upload it due to the size.
I wish you the best of luck in finding corporate and government deals as well. You've really created a great piece of software.
edit: Quick question too- will I be able to sink my deck by plugging my iPod touch into my laptop if I don't have wireless? Also, am I required to upload my decks to the Anki server or can I leave them on my computer and just sync them that way? I'm using the KO deck and I've been reluctant to upload it due to the size.
Edited: 2010-05-23, 1:41 am
2010-05-23, 1:55 am
Thanks for the kind words!
As far as I know, developers are prohibited by Apple from making apps which transfer data over the USB cable. Your options would be to buy a $30 wireless router, or get your iPhone to connect to your laptop's wireless in ad-hoc mode.
You're welcome to use AnkiOnline for now, and I will make sure before any pro accounts are introduced that there is a way to sync without AnkiOnline - as mentioned earlier, I'll write a personal sync server you can run on your computer.
As far as I know, developers are prohibited by Apple from making apps which transfer data over the USB cable. Your options would be to buy a $30 wireless router, or get your iPhone to connect to your laptop's wireless in ad-hoc mode.
You're welcome to use AnkiOnline for now, and I will make sure before any pro accounts are introduced that there is a way to sync without AnkiOnline - as mentioned earlier, I'll write a personal sync server you can run on your computer.