1110 Sentence for all the kanji in Level 1+2 of Kanji Odyssey in Excel files:

Kanji + Kana + English translation

http://www.fileflyer.com/view/cavuNAC

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God just killed a kitten.

I heard this file is full of errors, is it right?

Anyway, I think I will buy the CD soon.

Gee, I wonder where this came from.

kazelee Wrote:God just killed a kitten.

When God kills a kitten, consider about how many mice will get to live as a result. It is a compassion act on Her part.

bodhisamaya Wrote:

kazelee Wrote:God just killed a kitten.

When God kills a kitten, consider about how many mice will get to live as a result. It is a compassion act on Her part.

First. I'm pretty sure "She" has a penis.

Second. Where do you get the nerve insinuating cat's eat mice? Just because a few of they can't keep their fangs out of the mix, doesn't mean all cat kind are like that.

Third. I can't think of anything outrageous to put here, so I'll leave it up to your.... IMAGINATION.

*cue strings*

And we all know the horrors that can spring fort from its depths.

I always assumed that God was a woman, I mean look at what a mess the world is in.

I like the direction this thread's goin'!

Yeah this one is full of errors. The latest copy is of much higher quality.

ahibba Wrote:1110 Sentence for all the kanji in Level 1+2 of Kanji Odyssey in Excel files:

Kanji + Kana + English translation

http://www.fileflyer.com/view/cavuNAC

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Welcome to last year.

Nii87 Wrote:The latest copy is of much higher quality.

Where is it?

vosmiura Wrote:Welcome to last year.

Sorry, I don't understand.

kanjiwarrior Wrote:I always assumed that God was a woman, I mean look at what a mess the world is in.

Blame id ona feminist's revolution, ah sae.

ahibba Wrote:

Nii87 Wrote:The latest copy is of much higher quality.

Where is it?

vosmiura Wrote:Welcome to last year.

Sorry, I don't understand.

People here who own the book collaborated to collect the KO sentences over a year ago, agreeing to only show them to other people who have the books. The spreadsheet you posted a link to was leaked by some a-hole.

Slightly off topic but i ordered 2001KO a few weeks ago.

Was sent to UK and was hit by a customs charge of £13.15 as was marked as "CD-rom" on packaging.

Sent a polite email to Coscom saying that they they might want to rethink their packaging for UK and make it a "book" of some sort with a free CD (A "book" wouldn't have incurred tax).

Got a very nice apologetic reply back within 24 hours (sent on a Saturday) with a full refund for my purchase. Excellent customer service i must say.

Back on topic:
I really, really believe acquiring a "free" list is really not much help at all. It takes but a few seconds to add a card. More importantly the actual process of adding the card imho makes it stick better as you have gone through the "effort" of deciding it is worthy of reviewing.

Hrm, how do you prove you actually have it? And I have the fancy CDs with voices to go along with them.

I kind of like typing up the sentences myself, though the amount of time it takes to make all the cards is starting to get to me and I've only made about 100.

Also is anyone giving out the audio files to people who own the books or have a CD version that came out before audio files were added?

Sorry I just had to add:

Rooboy, I was wondering why the copy of it I just ordered a week and a half ago was sent to me as an "e-book". Thanks! lol

Rooboy Wrote:Back on topic:
I really, really believe acquiring a "free" list is really not much help at all. It takes but a few seconds to add a card. More importantly the actual process of adding the card imho makes it stick better as you have gone through the "effort" of deciding it is worthy of reviewing.

For me I much prefer not having to enter them all myself. A book I'm going through now there are about 40 example sentences per chapter, and I usually prune it down to about 30 that I'm interested in. The time to enter them & look up words takes about 30 minutes at least. In 30 minutes I could do about 150 reviews. Or, I could do Iversen method on all the new words in those sentences and learn them quite well before starting to SRS. That's why I think the time spent entering is quite inefficient compared to spending the time reviewing.

I bought the CD version. I got access to the spreadsheet by taking a photo of it next to a piece of paper with my email written on it (with an obligatory thumbs up with my other hand =))

This whole having to prove you own the books or CD thing is a bit silly. I hate having to ask people if I can join their club so I have been using the version that has been around for a while. I just make sure I proof read every sentence with the book when I enter them.

Rooboy Wrote:Got a very nice apologetic reply back within 24 hours (sent on a Saturday) with a full refund for my purchase. Excellent customer service i must say.

I was really impressed with Coscom's customer service as well since all I had to do was ask and they sent me a free cd upgrade and even paid the airmail postage! My old cd had no audio for all the sentences so it was pretty cool to get the missing sounds.

The audio files on the new cd are all mp3 and easy to paste into my anki flash cards. Although the sentences don't actually tell a story at least you get the words in some kind of context and so far, most of the sentences are basically realistic, not goofy and childish like some other ubiquitous English based, very popular and available in airports and extremely expensive cd based learning systems that shall remain nameless (heh-heh)!

[Codexus: ]Interesting. Why silly? It may be unrealistic to expect compliance from strangers, but I don't see how their desire to comply with the spirit of intellectual property law can be considered silly. I highly doubt forming any kind of exclusive club was ever intended. On the contrary, they are generously making the product of their efforts available to others who have the book.

Do as you like, of course, but your apparent pride of independence seems a bit misplaced to me. You felt some need to inform us that you'd rather do extra work than have to ask for permission, yet you're using the work of others without having contributed. I would have thought a "thanks" might make more sense than a "your club is silly'. Or silence.

Thora Wrote:Why silly?

You can download the new edition of the ebook that includes the audio files from bittorrent, but you can not get access to a simple spreadsheet of its content without visual proof that you own the book.

Just because something is available through certain channels doesn't mean we should automatically be giving it away here. CosCom has been very nice to the people of this forum (myself included) and very generous in their customer customer service. To give away their product would be to exploit them and betray the trust they have placed in us, their customers.

Personally I think Piracy is mostly a non-problem for a company that produces a quality product. Consumers almost inevitably support companies that produce quality products; even if they pirate their products at the same time. (For example, I torrented the KO2001 files but bought the book anyway) People probably do this because they benefit from ensuring that the company stays in business and continues to produce products they are interested in.

This analysis is borne out, I think, by the number of forum members who advocate that people support Coscom for their work. Its also borne at by more quantitative studies of the effect of piracy on book sales, as well (something I was reading about today).

So while I can understand people not wanting to share the files to just anyone I don't think it would have much of an impact even if they weren't so picky.

The books rock. Buy them, stick them on your shelf and never look at em if you want to use the pirated ebook. I did the same with Heisig's stuff. Not sure I've even opened the actual book, but I can see em over next to KO2001. Support the company so they make more! You can make pouty faces about IP all you want, but somebody has to pay the electricity bill the in building they use.

The point is not whether piracy is bad for business. I used to work in the game industry, so I know that piracy can actually help the acceptance of a product, to a certain extent. The problem is what kind of image we as a community present to CosCom if we blatantly steal their products. If that were the case, they'd very likely be unresponsive to customer service requests or feature suggestions in the future. And that's a legitimate concern, I think.