I'm having trouble understanding the story of the 'lidded crock' primitive between frames #315 and #316. I don't even really know what a lidded crock is ... can someone try to explain it in a differenty way to me?

Thanks.

I don't really know what a lidded crock is either to be honest. But the best advice I can give you is, rename any primitive that gives you trouble because its too abstract or whatever. Most of his primitive names seem to be fairly arbitrary anyway. People seem to have had a lot of success renaming bad primitives into entertaining characters like Bruce Lee, Mr T, Darth Vader etc. Maybe give that a shot?

http://images.google.com.au/images?q=lid...=en&tab=wi

[Katsuo]

edsmaffs Wrote:I don't even really know what a lidded crock is

Same here. Google images can be useful for cases like these, as Nii87 suggests.

Personally I renamed it "earthenware jar" which is a similar kind of thing, but a term I'm familiar with. That has the advantage of keeping stories on this site usable.

Sometimes Heisig sticks with the etymological meaning for his primitives, but not in this case, I think.

Suggestion: Another related but more everyday item would be "teapot".

Teapot seems easier, but I still don't get his story of soil + mouth -> teapot. Perhaps someone who desperately wants a cup of tea, so they're getting bits of dirt and putting them in the teapot mouth because they've run out of teabags.

[Katsuo]

I think he's made the connection soil => clay => pottery

Also, pictographically, you could look at this as a lid 土 covering an opening 口.

(Incidentally, the soil + mouth combination came up before as 吐 "spit", so any new primitive word needs to be distinct from that.)

The visual idea I had was that 吐 represents soil coming in to a person's mouth like they're eating it, whereas the teapot image shows soil dropping down into the 'mouth' of the teapot. I think it'll work, for me at least.

I used Gordon Ramsay. Pretty obvious connection with dirt & mouth.

Notice how the lidded crocks' lids usually have a wide handle to grab it with (the lids are heavy), and that actually looks like the soil primitive with the short upper horizontal line. (I actually think of lidded crock as a crock pot with a lid, which is the same, but you can plug it in to slow cook)

Katsuo Wrote:

edsmaffs Wrote:I don't even really know what a lidded crock is

Same here. Google images can be useful for cases like these, as Nii87 suggests.

Indeed. I keep several pages opened while studying Kanji.

1. RevTK
2. Google Translate
3. Dictionary.com
4. Google Images
5. Yamasa.cc Kanji Search

This is the image I use in my anki deck for that primitive meaning (actually for 「亠」, I give
「⿱土口」 the meaning of barn).


http://www.flickr.com/photos/phlora/3363458017/

Lidded crock is not working for me, so i think about a cottage where ten people can safely fit.

Ow, and i see it's been a long time since the first question but searching for "lidded crock" on google just found this topic.

Crock pot with lid on top.
The lid is the upper partof the kanji.
Pot is the bottom port.



That Gordon Ramsey primitive is a great idea....dirty mouth.....lol....