There are many primitives that make up other kanji but are not kanji by themselves. Some of these non kanji primitives are very complex. An example keyword is "mist" or "graveyard". Shouldn't these be included in the memory regimen even though that don't have a Heisig number?

I'm going to take a stab and say because they're not kanji.

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you can't type it. A lot of them are probably heisig-specific, and as such, wouldn't have a character. What is it, Unicode or something that determines this?

If there were cards for the non-kanji primitives, it would be very easy to become confused and start thinking they were kanji, leading to misusing them later.

And besides, lots of primitives have the same meaning as kanji they are derived from... for example, the character 富 and its bottom primitive both are given the meaning "wealth".

Asriel Wrote:I'm going to take a stab and say because they're not kanji.

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you can't type it. A lot of them are probably heisig-specific, and as such, wouldn't have a character. What is it, Unicode or something that determines this?

Something like this, yes. Mist isn't considered an official bushu, it's an amalgation of several official ones.

Unicode includes most real bushu as writable. Here's the supplement PDF listing them:

http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U2E80.pdf

Asriel Wrote:I'm going to take a stab and say because they're not kanji.

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you can't type it. A lot of them are probably heisig-specific, and as such, wouldn't have a character. What is it, Unicode or something that determines this?

Actually, you can. All you need is the right font. Fortunately, an user of this very same forum created a font including all non-kanji, non-radical primitives.

If you are interested, try Pangolin font (Thanks Pangolin!).

Sebastian Wrote:

Asriel Wrote:I'm going to take a stab and say because they're not kanji.

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you can't type it. A lot of them are probably heisig-specific, and as such, wouldn't have a character. What is it, Unicode or something that determines this?

Actually, you can. All you need is the right font. Fortunately, an user of this very same forum created a font including all non-kanji, non-radical primitives.

If you are interested, try Pangolin font (Thanks Pangolin!).

That doesn't help if there's no encoding for it...

You can invent any kanji or kanji primitive you want with the ideographic composition code points. All you need is a truly unicode compatible font.

I'd venture a guess that the reason primitives are not on this site is that Heisig himself suggests not reviewing them (non-kanji primitives are common enough that you shouldn't have trouble remembering them anyway).

Tobberoth Wrote:That doesn't help if there's no encoding for it...

What do you mean exactly?

The font and excel file included in the download above are all you need if you want to do something simple like a table with your favorite spreadsheet or word processor, or if you want to review those characters with your favorite SRS. Of course, handling the characters isn't as simple as just typing Japanese, but you aren't supposed to write an essay with them anyway.

What he means is that you can't put it nicely on the webpage.

Do you really expect everyone who wants to use RevTK to download that font? I'm pretty sure traffic would fall a lot if you required everyone to download a font.
So, maybe in Times new Roman, "T" shows up as "T", but say you have "Heisig Primitive Font."
Then everytime "T" is typed, it will show up for you as "斤," but for everyone else, they'll see "T."

Asriel Wrote:What he means is that you can't put it nicely on the webpage.

Do you really expect everyone who wants to use RevTK to download that font? I'm pretty sure traffic would fall a lot if you required everyone to download a font.
So, maybe in Times new Roman, "T" shows up as "T", but say you have "Heisig Primitive Font."
Then everytime "T" is typed, it will show up for you as "斤," but for everyone else, they'll see "T."

Most browsers support embedded fonts I believe. Users wouldn't need to download anything. That said I think reviewing primitives is a waste of time.

Satoshi Wrote:There are many primitives that make up other kanji but are not kanji by themselves. Some of these non kanji primitives are very complex. An example keyword is "mist" or "graveyard". Shouldn't these be included in the memory regimen even though that don't have a Heisig number?

Yes, they should.

That's why I've made bitmaps for each of them, and include them in my SRS.

Sorry, it seems I wasn't clear enough in mi 1st post. What I meant wasn't to use Pangolin font at this site, but as a way of handling non-kanji, non-radical primitives on your own.

As I pointed in my 2nd post, with the font you can make your own lists, and even your own deck of those particular characters - in your own computer, of course. I understand that some people want to include them in their reviews, so pointed out a way of doing that on your own.

That might not be the same as including those special characters into RevTK, but is the only option for people who want - for any reason - to display them in their computers. Actually, I think a shared Anki deck including non-kanji/non-radical primitives (let's call them NKNRP or something to save some typing... -_-" ) would become fairly popular.

That might not be exactly what the thread author was looking for, but I guess it's the best option he can get. Unless Fabrice was interested in adding NKNRP into RevTK in some way or another, but I'd bet that's not part of his plans.

onafarm Wrote:That's why I've made bitmaps for each of them, and include them in my SRS.

I bet there are people who would appreciate your sharing that info as a shared Anki deck.

I'm afraid I can't do that. I've never used Anki.

Not including primitives is one of the things that keep RevTK in Heisig and his publishers' good books. So yes, it's pretty much a non-option.

If you review primitives you may begin to actually think the primitives mean what they mean.