Every time I encounter a story that is really visual (and thus a class a mnemonic) but has some sort of sexual reference - or any form of political incorrectness - in it, it always has some bad ratings (along with many good ones, of course). I don't get that.

Oeweoeoe it has sex, oeweoeoe it's misogynistic. Who cares? Make it vivid, make it stick, that's what's important.

Technically, it does not really matter as it is usually compensated so you see them anyway or you adapt the story to fit your needs, but hey I'm procrastinating and it bothered me. :)

Because I don't have kids I don't really understand it myself, but one thing people are worried about is things being exposed to children. Many people are worried about their own children in particular. Nevertheless, I agree with you.

It's hard for me to say whether it is good to prevent kids from seeing certain content. More difficult is figuring out which content should be filtered, and when it is appropriate. However, I can still agree with you without knowing these answers because I think that parents really don't have much of a choice in the matter. As long as technology progresses at a certain pace, and that technology is providing a wide range of different content available to everyone, and the way to use the new technology is innovative, there's no way parents can keep up. Somehow you have to face the fact that your kid is gonna see more awful, great, sexy--you name it--things than you've ever dreamed of (if he/she chooses to do so). As long as kids understand the technology better than you do, they'll get whatever content they want.

I also fail to see how a dirty story is going to destroy anyone's moral foundation. All and all the morality we choose to follow is probably not based on when we were introduced to dirty stories. Just a thought.

I think this site is one I'd be happy to find my kids using (when I have some in 10 years or so) even if the stories were the most politically incorrect ones possible.

Oh no!, Not that debate again! /o\

I think some stories are mistakenly reported as the report button is between the star and copy buttons and they click on it by mistake.

Many people probably do not realise that you can undo a mistaken report by clicking on the report buton again. They are probably too scared to click on report again.

As for those of the sexual nature I don't really have an issue with them and chuckle to myself when i see the number of reports. Are people really that sensitive?

Some of us find 'sex' stories to be vulgar and distasteful as well, even ignoring the 'children' angle.

aaronvanvalen Wrote:Oeweoeoe it has sex, oeweoeoe it's misogynistic. Who cares?

I do. I hate that kind of stuff. That said, I don't use the kanji section of this site, so I only know about these vulgar stories second hand.

Even trying to make the site child-friendly is stupid and dangerous. The minute you present yourself as that you open yourself up to lawsuits as soon as something, no matter how small, slips through. If you really wanted to go that route you'd need to hire moderators to watch the stories & forums 24/7.

Being non-offensive is another thing, but everyone has a different level of tolerance.

I just had a thought about how easy self-regulation would be. If you put (WARNING: ADULT) at the beginning of a story on the dirtier side of things, it will give people who don't want to read it the opportunity to avoid it. I added it to my only story that is a bit dirty.

For now I'll keep it that way, though I'm going to think over whether or not it is actually a good idea. The story I added it to is just a sexual reference (my story for PACKED), and I wonder if putting a big warning sign in front of something like that is just helping reinforce the idea that sex is dirty. A very popular idea in America it seems!

I think there are a bunch of wierd religos using this site, because I also often see things reported which contain evolution, sacrifice, paganism and other things along those lines

Rooboy Wrote:I think some stories are mistakenly reported as the report button is between the star and copy buttons and they click on it by mistake.

Yes, I've done this myself at least once because I do most of my studying on the iPhone. The star/report/copy buttons are very hard to select on iPhone because they're so small and close together.

But in terms of volume I would guess the number of people offended by sex and religion far outweigh the number of mistaken reports.

Personally I find the "offensive" stories with sex and religion easy to remember.

Machine_Gun_Cat Wrote:I think there are a bunch of wierd religos using this site, because I also often see things reported which contain evolution, sacrifice, paganism and other things along those lines

There are a few yeah. Sometimes they get in Jesusy arguments on the forums.

wccrawford Wrote:Some of us find 'sex' stories to be vulgar and distasteful as well, even ignoring the 'children' angle.

"sex is overrated."

wasn't that a slogan of the 90's?!
;-)

I got a couple of Mormon missionaries at my door today, and as usual, they left as soon as I told them I am a Zen. They asked me if I believe in God and I said I'm Zen and that'd be depending on how they define God and they left! Dude wait, I want to talk with you about your God! But yea, talking to a Zen guy about God is pretty much waste of their time as I would probably ask them things like definition of God and Heaven and Time and Space and start saying things like I and you exist but we really don't, existence is illusion and illusion does exist, and so on. I understand.

Wait, what was the point?? yea, there is a saying in Japanese
毒にも薬にもならない
if it doesn't offend anybody, it will be tepid to everybody.

Sorry, this is so irrelevant but I couldn't resist. I blame wccrawford for
putting 'sex' in quotes. I'm a weak man.

wccrawford Wrote:Some of us find 'sex' stories to be vulgar and distasteful as well, even ignoring the 'children' angle.

Well the thing is, you stress exactly why they are useful for our study method and I feel any sort of restriction or impediment on that for the sake of moral reasons (which are pretty much irrelevant to our goals) is just silly.

aaronvanvalen Wrote:Well the thing is, you stress exactly why they are useful for our study method and I feel any sort of restriction or impediment on that for the sake of moral reasons (which are pretty much irrelevant to our goals) is just silly.

Especially since thinking of sex as something dirty is a very Christian (well, Abrahamic)-centric way of thinking in the first place. I believe the famous penis festival just happened recently in Japan, so clearly they aren't afraid of HOW IS BABBY FORMED.

Tzadeck Wrote:For now I'll keep it that way, though I'm going to think over whether or not it is actually a good idea.

I decided it was a bad idea and changed it to the original.

Let's see. You are sugesting that we create 2 ways to rate stories?
1 for how offensive it is, 1 for how christian it is not?

masaman Wrote:Sorry, this is so irrelevant but I couldn't resist. I blame wccrawford for
putting 'sex' in quotes. I'm a weak man.

lol I put 'sex' in quotes because many of the 'sex' stories have little to with sex and more to do with just body parts.

As for them being easier to remember... I don't find vulgar things easier to remember. I just find them vulgar. I certainly don't -want- to remember vulgar things. Good stories that aren't offensive will be remembered better than offensive ones.

wccrawford Wrote:

masaman Wrote:Sorry, this is so irrelevant but I couldn't resist. I blame wccrawford for
putting 'sex' in quotes. I'm a weak man.

lol I put 'sex' in quotes because many of the 'sex' stories have little to with sex and more to do with just body parts.

As for them being easier to remember... I don't find vulgar things easier to remember. I just find them vulgar. I certainly don't -want- to remember vulgar things. Good stories that aren't offensive will be remembered better than offensive ones.

So... if it isn't a good story for you to use to be able to remember the kanji... just don't use it? Basically by saying that, I should go and mark the red exclamation mark for every story I don't find useful for me. Why not just ignore and move on with your life. Of course I don't know if it actually is you flagging them though... I was pretty sure the flaggin function is only to be for copyrighted stories already used by Heisig. Flagging will probably only draw more attention to them anyway and hurt anyone trying to 'save the children'.

'Vulgar' things are 'easier' to remember sometimes because they are unique and get an emotion out of you that sticks, for me at least, pretty sure no one has a desire to make all their stories vulgar for fun. Though I agree there can be 'vulgar' stories that arn't necessarily 'good' stories for the purpose of remembering the kanji.

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This is a discussion of artists and engineers methinks.

In any case this was discussed many times before and it was generally agreed that a simple option to flag your own stories as "saucy" (or whatever term I'll come up with), would allow those artists between the engineers, to read non "vulgar" stories. To each his own.

Personally I also do not enjoy vulgar stories from OTHERS. That's the point.

Unless you can write something with taste, a story with sexual/political/religious content is almost invariably going to offend someone. We are humans after all, controlled by our emotions and not our THOUGHTS, however we would want it to be