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I don't even learn 10 new words a day. I'd say you're more than well in the clear. I mean hell, put more than 50 sentences in your SRS everyday and you'll be flooded with reviews in no time. If you have any form of fulltime job/fulltime studies, I wouldn't recommend it.

Hi, I wrote a bit here about my vocabulary-building: http://forum.koohii.com/showthread.php?p...3#pid41343

I made up the vague range 35-70/day there, but I'd say it's more like an average of 65/day. For me, this is also a stockpiling phase, one that I consider short term (since the iKnow sentences have a kind of grammar plateau), though I also arbitrarily decided to focus on 10,000 words (randomly plucked from JLPT1 guidelines) this year.

My goals for 'stockpiling' consist of having pitch accents down, being able to write/speak/listen/read it, and I generally consider different tenses, et cetera, to be separate words rather than thinking of them as being parts of 'word families'. No wait, I put that wrong, it's just the opposite actually--the conjugation doesn't matter to me, just the root/meaning as it's used in a particular sentence. I seem to be speeding up as I learn the readings and improve my grammar, so hopefully I can maintain a steady pace of 100/day in the future.

Oh, and I generally limit myself to just studying them an hour a day, and I guess I've been doing it for a month and a half or two months? Something feels off about my math. SRSing screws up my sense of time. ;p

Interesting. For tenses, do you break them down constantly, or just ones that give you trouble? That's my problem with listening - I'll hear a word I know, in a tense that I could puzzle out in writing but goes by too fast in listening.

Could you give some examples? I suppose I'm a bit confused, because it seems like you could do infinite cards if each tense is a separate card.

飲む
飲んだり
飲んで
飲まなければ
飲みます
飲み

Is this what you're talking about?

This number is totally subjective. I say there are a few parts to this:

Have fun. If you aren't having fun, you're going to burn out.
Keep up a good success rate. If your success rate drops too low (below 90% or so, for me) then you start to burn out from too much failure. For some people, this number is more like 60%, so it's extremely subjective.
Use the vocabulary. Using the vocab is not only fun, it helps lock it in.
Do other things. If you only do this, it's going to get boring simply because it's the only thing you're doing.

If you've got all the above, and still have time left in the day, I say do more. If any of the above are hurting or missing outright, you should probably back off a bit.

I think you mean Stuart Jay Raj. And he's a polyglot... A natural at languages. You're not going to find many mortals that can keep up with him, if any. http://languagegeek.net/2007/03/31/stuar...languages/

Edit: I find it interesting that he describes AJATT in the comments of that post... It's the system he used before AJATT existed. He basically just creates an environment around himself of the target language, if he can't live in a country that speaks it. Also, he reads a ton of books... Everywhere he went, he was reading a book on the target language.

haplology Wrote:Interesting. For tenses, do you break them down constantly, or just ones that give you trouble? That's my problem with listening - I'll hear a word I know, in a tense that I could puzzle out in writing but goes by too fast in listening.

Could you give some examples? I suppose I'm a bit confused, because it seems like you could do infinite cards if each tense is a separate card.

飲む
飲んだり
飲んで
飲まなければ
飲みます
飲み

Is this what you're talking about?

I just edited my comment, if you're referring to what I said. I confused myself. ^_^

To clarify what I meant: If I see a word used in, for example, the past tense, used in a particular way in a sentence, then I consider that word 'learned' independently of its conjugation, because I know that eventually I'll see those variations and be able to quickly put things together based on the kanji/sound + context and my general accumulated knowledge of grammar.

wzafran Wrote:

nest0r Wrote:I made up the vague range 35-70/day there, but I'd say it's more like an average of 65/day. For me, this is also a stockpiling phase, one that I consider short term (since the iKnow sentences have a kind of grammar plateau), though I also arbitrarily decided to focus on 10,000 words (randomly plucked from JLPT1 guidelines) this year.

I've found that that I can't even manage 30+ words a day if I arbitrarily select words to memorize. For me, I need to have read or listened to the words from someplace --an article, a newspiece, a book, a show, etc -- only then would the word stick inside my head. (i.e. A word becomes impossible for me to recall if I can't remember where I picked it up from.)

So I usually pluck out words to memorize by hand.

Sorry, I meant the # of 10,000 was arbitrarily plucked from JLPT1 ("knows 10000 words", etc). I get most of them from iKnow and Kanji Odyssey, and just whatever strikes my fancy elsewhere. My hope is that I'll eventually have a huge selection of subs2srs decks to choose words from. ;p

wzafran Wrote:

nest0r Wrote:I made up the vague range 35-70/day there, but I'd say it's more like an average of 65/day. For me, this is also a stockpiling phase, one that I consider short term (since the iKnow sentences have a kind of grammar plateau), though I also arbitrarily decided to focus on 10,000 words (randomly plucked from JLPT1 guidelines) this year.

I've found that that I can't even manage 30+ words a day if I arbitrarily select words to memorize. For me, I need to have read or listened to the words from someplace --an article, a newspiece, a book, a show, etc -- only then would the word stick inside my head. (i.e. A word becomes impossible for me to recall if I can't remember where I picked it up from.)

So I usually pluck out words to memorize by hand.

I've found the same. Using iKnow's Cerego-made lists (beyond the basic 400) is really tough because they just have no context, even with the sentences provided.

Using custom lists made from other sources has worked a -lot- better. Even a generic RPG-word list is a lot easier because I can relate it to RPGs in some way.

Recently, I have been taking some of my harder mangas that I can't read yet and entering every word in. Even just entering them has made the words easier to remember, since I got them from a context. Hopefully more people will start making Manga lists on iKnow. When they do, I plan to read the chapter once without studying, then study the list, and go back and re-read the chapter. I think that should work quite well.